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Post by novastar6 on Apr 9, 2018 17:25:00 GMT
Some of us have discussed this on the politics board, but I wanted to discuss it from a nutritional point of view.
There are a lot of theories as to why so many kids today are fat and obese, some very obvious, some not as obvious. Obvious, 30+ years ago kids weren't drinking soda every day, especially not for breakfast. Not so obvious, kids 30+ years ago largely ate peanut butter/jelly sandwiches for lunch, now what are they most likely to eat? a whole box of pizza rolls? How many calories and hidden sugars and fat in that? And to top it off, what do they drink with it? Maybe a 20 oz. soda, OR an energy drink, like kids need those, right?
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Post by goz on Apr 10, 2018 0:43:01 GMT
Too many calories in and not enough calories out.
Children should be actively playing in their natural environment and eating healthy unprocessed foods.
This is NOT rocket surgery.
The weird thing is that people actually KNOW this, butt don't do this for themselves and their children.
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Post by novastar6 on Apr 10, 2018 4:17:42 GMT
All of this is true but it sure would be a lot easier to do calories in/calories out if kids weren't fed junk 24/7. When I'm in a convenience store at 8 in the morning and a parent comes in with their 5 year old to get Bug Juice and candy for their breakfast, it's obvious there's a problem.
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Post by goz on Apr 10, 2018 7:51:22 GMT
All of this is true but it sure would be a lot easier to do calories in/calories out if kids weren't fed junk 24/7. When I'm in a convenience store at 8 in the morning and a parent comes in with their 5 year old to get Bug Juice and candy for their breakfast, it's obvious there's a problem.
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Post by koskiewicz on Apr 10, 2018 13:34:38 GMT
"Hey kids, why don't you get up off of your fat ass, quit eating ding dongs and stop watching the boob tube, and go outside and play for once." -Christopher Walken
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Post by deembastille on Apr 10, 2018 13:50:23 GMT
Too many calories in and not enough calories out. Children should be actively playing in their natural environment and eating healthy unprocessed foods. This is NOT rocket surgery. The weird thing is that people actually KNOW this, butt don't do this for themselves and their children. Actually it is rocket science. Healthy unprocessed foods? Have you ever BEEN a toddler? They should be exposed to fruits and vegetables but I'd rather have them eat pasta and butter and give them a pediasure than make them go hungry. And enough with the asses! Butts here and there. It's easy to see where your mindset is. 🛌🤸🤼🤽🤾🚴🚵🏋️⛹️🏊
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Post by sweetpea on Apr 10, 2018 15:09:07 GMT
Too much can be a factor. I'm 49, my brothers all older. My mother was one of the greatest cooks. My mom was a tiny 5'2, my dad a ruff n'tumble 6'. So amongst us we had a couple who were chubby, a few gangly & thin, & me average. With the exception of me, my brothers ate everything & then some. We all played a lot outside, basically getting the same workout. This does show that genes play a part. Thing is now, we all watch what we eat, because at a certain age, we started to put on weight too easily. Wasn't because we ate poorly, but it was part of our makeup. Yet, I have a best friend, a woman, who does eat whatever she likes & a lot of it. She is the same slim weight she's always been. I secretly hate her:). However, the increase/availability of fast food whether it be places or from the frozen aisle does not help. We had occasion to eat this stuff too, but not all the time. And having a good workout outside is a huge factor. Too much time on the phones/computers/gaming is a factor. My dad was big on all of us working when we got to a certain age. He didn't care what it was, but he said no one should just be sitting around all the time.
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Post by goz on Apr 10, 2018 22:34:26 GMT
Too many calories in and not enough calories out. Children should be actively playing in their natural environment and eating healthy unprocessed foods. This is NOT rocket surgery. The weird thing is that people actually KNOW this, butt don't do this for themselves and their children. Actually it is rocket science. Healthy unprocessed foods? Have you ever BEEN a toddler? They should be exposed to fruits and vegetables but I'd rather have them eat pasta and butter and give them a pediasure than make them go hungry. And enough with the asses! Butts here and there. It's easy to see where your mindset is. 🛌🤸🤼🤽🤾🚴🚵🏋️⛹️🏊 Yes, healthy unprocessed foods. Toddlers can only eat what they are given.
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Post by deembastille on Apr 10, 2018 22:43:28 GMT
Actually it is rocket science. Healthy unprocessed foods? Have you ever BEEN a toddler? They should be exposed to fruits and vegetables but I'd rather have them eat pasta and butter and give them a pediasure than make them go hungry. And enough with the asses! Butts here and there. It's easy to see where your mindset is. 🛌🤸🤼🤽🤾🚴🚵🏋️⛹️🏊 Yes, healthy unprocessed foods. Toddlers can only eat what they are given. on what planet? omg when was the last time you have ever been near a toddler?
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Post by goz on Apr 10, 2018 23:23:13 GMT
Yes, healthy unprocessed foods. Toddlers can only eat what they are given. on what planet? omg when was the last time you have ever been near a toddler? Not that it is relevant to my stance about teaching children to eat healthily right from birth, and providing them ONLY with healthy tasty and adventurous options, butt I have had three children myself and currently have 8 grandchildren under ten. My fussiest eater was my middle child who suffered from chronic tonsillitis ( and it was in the days when doctors were against operating) so existed on a pretty much liquid diet for several years. I took her to the paediatrician and he re-assured me that he had never met a baby/toddler/child starve themselves and if you put healthy choices in front of them and walked away ( ie not making food an otherwise behavioural issue) didn't care about the mess and manners and let them feed themselves (again not making food about other than enjoyment and nutrition) that they would get adequate nutrition overall. It worked, she went on to represent her country in sport. All my grandchildren eat a wide and varied diet with a few treats here and there, butt the basics are the food I mentioned in another post. Many of them eat 'adult' type foods as they have developed a more savoury taste than the sweet muck many people give their kids in an inducement to get them to eat, and I find great pleasure in not having to cook kid stuff as they all eat healthy stews curries salads green vegetables sushi seafood and otherwise a regular diet since their toddler phase. The three youngest are now 5.
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Post by deembastille on Apr 10, 2018 23:52:26 GMT
goz... your obsession with butts for but is just astounding. this is why i am just not buying a lot of what you say. you seem to be obsessed for some reason with healthy eating and body image. just something i have noticed. that can't be a typo all the time.
~~~ not all healthy foods are appropriate for children. my niece {a toddler} was born with gurd but that has improved. over the summer we were visiting and their parents went out to dinner. when my parents and i were feeding my nieces [sisters] dinner my mother [foolishly] tried feeding them the adult meal that was made for us... a kind of tex/mex chicken that was made in the slow cooker. the spice nearly killed the toddler, and understandably she didn't like it. she's freaking 2! she starts screaming and in a full blown uncomforting tantrum that was only soothed by grandma walking her around and cuddling her and i feverishly cooking pasta checking it every 30 seconds to check when it was done.
and they actually kind of eat a little too healthy. they love bananas but my sister just can't figure out why the older one is so constipated all the time. there is no juice -- not even watered down juice. only milk and water. and since milk upsets the two year old's throat nodules, that has to be left to a minimum for her.
not all kids foods are unhealthy. even a cheeseburger from mcdonalds is okay once in a while. only 300 calories. i have seen salads be worse. back when before people were supersizing, there were obese normal body type people. like none.
not all healthy foods are healthy for all people. it might send people to the bathroom within minutes and then they are in turmoil for hours to even days.
and that idiot at school i was talking about before [either on this thread or the other health thread] was at it again today. sprawled out in the middle of the room leaving literally no room to pass. and then she is pissed when someone has to get by to -- you know, leave to teach a class or go to the bathroom... she is a very unhappy person deep down {i can tell} and i also notice how she likes working out where others can see her. she doesn't go into a quiet corner of a friend's classroom who is also on break to work out. its weird.
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Post by goz on Apr 11, 2018 0:44:38 GMT
Too much can be a factor. I'm 49, my brothers all older. My mother was one of the greatest cooks. My mom was a tiny 5'2, my dad a ruff n'tumble 6'. So amongst us we had a couple who were chubby, a few gangly & thin, & me average. With the exception of me, my brothers ate everything & then some. We all played a lot outside, basically getting the same workout. This does show that genes play a part. Thing is now, we all watch what we eat, because at a certain age, we started to put on weight too easily. Wasn't because we ate poorly, but it was part of our makeup. Yet, I have a best friend, a woman, who does eat whatever she likes & a lot of it. She is the same slim weight she's always been. I secretly hate her:). However, the increase/availability of fast food whether it be places or from the frozen aisle does not help. We had occasion to eat this stuff too, but not all the time. And having a good workout outside is a huge factor. Too much time on the phones/computers/gaming is a factor. My dad was big on all of us working when we got to a certain age. He didn't care what it was, but he said no one should just be sitting around all the time. It is unfortunate that the subject of food and diet has become such a divisive issue in modern society. Food is the most wonderful thing, nourishing our bodies and giving extreme pleasure in its consumption. Sometimes however these issues become blurred and food can become more than that to some people. It is sad that in modern Western societies we can have both anorexics and morbidly obese people when things go wrong. Another problem area is 'activity' and I don't just mean exercise because it is easier to maintain a normal weight if you are an active person rather than thinking you need to 'exercise to control your weight. Another thing to which you referred is the increasing weight associated with ageing. It is not rocket surgery that we become less active as we age and that our metabolism also slows ( particularly for women with the onset of menopause.) This phenomenon has its roots in evolution where any food should go to the most productive members of a tribal society, either the younger hunters or the female reproducers. This memo did not get through to modern Western ageing people. They are either set in their dietary habits, have more financial resources at their disposal to eat better/more, or think after retirement that having worked hard their whole lives, they 'deserve' to eat whatever they want....mainly ALL THREE. Weight gain ensues sometimes shortening a lifespan. I get your point about different metabolisms too, though this is something that people should be aware of, just in the way that they are aware of being short or tall. Knowing your own body and what puts weight on (or off if you are a natural ectomorph with a fast metabolism) YOU, then allows you to make the decisions that are best for your individual health. A lot of it is about education AND disassociating people from food as a cure all for their emotional and physical problems. The time honoured saying 'eat to live and not live to eat' comes to mind.
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Post by goz on Apr 11, 2018 0:54:50 GMT
goz... your obsession with butts for but is just astounding. this is why i am just not buying a lot of what you say. you seem to be obsessed for some reason with healthy eating and body image. just something i have noticed. that can't be a typo all the time. I am into health and healthy diets NOT body image and have never mentioned the subject. I write butt as a personal quirk and 'in ' joke as I have posted on IMDb boards for 16 years and most people used to understand this. I apologise as you do not.~~~ not all healthy foods are appropriate for children. my niece {a toddler} was born with gurd but that has improved. over the summer we were visiting and their parents went out to dinner. when my parents and i were feeding my nieces [sisters] dinner my mother [foolishly] tried feeding them the adult meal that was made for us... a kind of tex/mex chicken that was made in the slow cooker. the spice nearly killed the toddler, and understandably she didn't like it. she's freaking 2! she starts screaming and in a full blown uncomforting tantrum that was only soothed by grandma walking her around and cuddling her and i feverishly cooking pasta checking it every 30 seconds to check when it was done. Whilst I love anecdotal evidence it doesn't prove anything except what happened on that occasion. Health nutritious and adventurous foods should be gradually introduced as naturally children will have preferences, likes and dislikes.and they actually kind of eat a little too healthy. they love bananas but my sister just can't figure out why the older one is so constipated all the time. there is no juice -- not even watered down juice. only milk and water. and since milk upsets the two year old's throat nodules, that has to be left to a minimum for her. see above about anecdotal evidence. Constipation in children is mostly ( like everyone ) an imbalance between fibre and fluid consumptionnot all kids foods are unhealthy. even a cheeseburger from mcdonalds is okay once in a while. only 300 calories. i have seen salads be worse. back when before people were supersizing, there were obese normal body type people. like none. I don't know what your point is here...see my thread on always often sometimes type foods.not all healthy foods are healthy for all people. it might send people to the bathroom within minutes and then they are in turmoil for hours to even days. as aboveand that idiot at school i was talking about before [either on this thread or the other health thread] was at it again today. sprawled out in the middle of the room leaving literally no room to pass. and then she is pissed when someone has to get by to -- you know, leave to teach a class or go to the bathroom... she is a very unhappy person deep down {i can tell} and i also notice how she likes working out where others can see her. she doesn't go into a quiet corner of a friend's classroom who is also on break to work out. its weird.
self centred people are just that and this bears no relevance to what we are discussing here
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Post by deembastille on Apr 11, 2018 1:11:16 GMT
goz... i mentioned the same things regarding go foods and whoa foods and you disagreed. and then you said basically the exact same thing as what go and whoa foods ARE.
you just don't make sense.
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Post by goz on Apr 11, 2018 1:18:16 GMT
goz... i mentioned the same things regarding go foods and whoa foods and you disagreed. and then you said basically the exact same thing as what go and whoa foods ARE. you just don't make sense. Do you mean go foods = eat? whoa foods = don't eat? If not you should have made that clearer. I merely specified the groups of foods in a stratified system of always, often, sometimes and rarely.
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Post by novastar6 on Apr 11, 2018 5:09:17 GMT
It's one thing to 'know' that fruits and vegetables are healthy and junk food isn't, but it's a whole other thing to know why that is and how it all works and all the benefits of vegetables and all the health problems that can ensue from an excess of sugar and grease, and let's be honest, most parents either don't know about any of that, or are just plain clueless/oblivious. Funny we always teach kids about what's healthy but as adults we don't pay the same subject any mind. Oh everybody looks for how many carbs are in something, how many calories, but they don't pay attention to what's actually going to benefit the growing bodies of their young children. I think as part of those parenting classes young people take, when they're going to have kids they should also have to take a course in nutrition so they actually understand just WHY it's so stupid and dangerous to just let kids eat candy and fries all the time because it's quick, easy, and shuts them up.
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Post by deembastille on Apr 11, 2018 11:00:24 GMT
Funny thing. These things below were once considered healthy, fine to consume/do and/or socially acceptable.
Raw ground beef dipped in salt. Smoking cigarettes. Taking a nip of booze at your desk or in your classroom in the middle of the day. Pizza was not considered a meal food. Letting your preschool children run around unattended.
(This one is huge!) RASHIONING! People were healthier back then because we had to send most of the chocolate bars to our boys at war to keep morale up. Not many people had cars so they walked or rode bicycles or mass transit. And back then parents COULD deny a meal here and there, use meals as discipline and even use the same plate of food over and over again until you ate it. No one was allergic to peanuts. ... ... .... ........
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Post by sweetpea on Apr 11, 2018 17:38:27 GMT
Too much can be a factor. I'm 49, my brothers all older. My mother was one of the greatest cooks. My mom was a tiny 5'2, my dad a ruff n'tumble 6'. So amongst us we had a couple who were chubby, a few gangly & thin, & me average. With the exception of me, my brothers ate everything & then some. We all played a lot outside, basically getting the same workout. This does show that genes play a part. Thing is now, we all watch what we eat, because at a certain age, we started to put on weight too easily. Wasn't because we ate poorly, but it was part of our makeup. Yet, I have a best friend, a woman, who does eat whatever she likes & a lot of it. She is the same slim weight she's always been. I secretly hate her:). However, the increase/availability of fast food whether it be places or from the frozen aisle does not help. We had occasion to eat this stuff too, but not all the time. And having a good workout outside is a huge factor. Too much time on the phones/computers/gaming is a factor. My dad was big on all of us working when we got to a certain age. He didn't care what it was, but he said no one should just be sitting around all the time. It is unfortunate that the subject of food and diet has become such a divisive issue in modern society. Food is the most wonderful thing, nourishing our bodies and giving extreme pleasure in its consumption. Sometimes however these issues become blurred and food can become more than that to some people. It is sad that in modern Western societies we can have both anorexics and morbidly obese people when things go wrong. Another problem area is 'activity' and I don't just mean exercise because it is easier to maintain a normal weight if you are an active person rather than thinking you need to 'exercise to control your weight. Another thing to which you referred is the increasing weight associated with ageing. It is not rocket surgery that we become less active as we age and that our metabolism also slows ( particularly for women with the onset of menopause.) This phenomenon has its roots in evolution where any food should go to the most productive members of a tribal society, either the younger hunters or the female reproducers. This memo did not get through to modern Western ageing people. They are either set in their dietary habits, have more financial resources at their disposal to eat better/more, or think after retirement that having worked hard their whole lives, they 'deserve' to eat whatever they want....mainly ALL THREE. Weight gain ensues sometimes shortening a lifespan. I get your point about different metabolisms too, though this is something that people should be aware of, just in the way that they are aware of being short or tall. Knowing your own body and what puts weight on (or off if you are a natural ectomorph with a fast metabolism) YOU, then allows you to make the decisions that are best for your individual health. A lot of it is about education AND disassociating people from food as a cure all for their emotional and physical problems. The time honoured saying 'eat to live and not live to eat' comes to mind. "( particularly for women with the onset of menopause.)" Unfortunately for some of us it occurs much earlier
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Post by novastar6 on Apr 13, 2018 4:26:36 GMT
Funny thing. These things below were once considered healthy, fine to consume/do and/or socially acceptable. Raw ground beef dipped in salt. Smoking cigarettes. Taking a nip of booze at your desk or in your classroom in the middle of the day. Pizza was not considered a meal food. Letting your preschool children run around unattended. (This one is huge!) RASHIONING! People were healthier back then because we had to send most of the chocolate bars to our boys at ear to keep morale up. Not many people had cars so they walked or rode bicycles or mass transit. And back then parents COULD deny a meal here and there, use meals as discipline and even use the same plate of food over and over again until you ate it. No one was allergic to peanuts. ... ... .... ........ Even 20-30 years after rationing was over, there were almost 0 fat kids.
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Post by deembastille on Apr 13, 2018 10:20:48 GMT
Funny thing. These things below were once considered healthy, fine to consume/do and/or socially acceptable. Raw ground beef dipped in salt. Smoking cigarettes. Taking a nip of booze at your desk or in your classroom in the middle of the day. Pizza was not considered a meal food. Letting your preschool children run around unattended. (This one is huge!) RASHIONING! People were healthier back then because we had to send most of the chocolate bars to our boys at ear to keep morale up. Not many people had cars so they walked or rode bicycles or mass transit. And back then parents COULD deny a meal here and there, use meals as discipline and even use the same plate of food over and over again until you ate it. No one was allergic to peanuts. ... ... .... ........ Even 20-30 years after rationing was over, there were almost 0 fat kids. Right. But it's not even that. Many children in the 70s and 80s were raised how their parents were raised. As Tony Soprano said: outside this house it's the 90s, inside this house it's 1954.
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