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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 17, 2018 19:02:17 GMT
Which is Disney's fault for purposefully writing her like a warrior princess who uses Disney magic instead of a Force user. They did write her as a Force User, just not the tagalong bumbling sidekick of Lukes that the OT fans wanted her to be. No they didn't. Compare Rey's powers and it's nature and usage to both the Force and to Disney magic. You will find it's much closer to Disney magic than the Force. That's an absolute lie. Prequel haters have been so over-the-top that they sent death threats to George Lucas and Jake Lloyd. Some of them made a living off of hypercriticism of the prequels. Mr. Plinkett being the most notable. Yes they did. The fact that you don't know what sharing the spotlight is is your fault. I'm not responsible for your comprehension problems. No, I posted that thread about "What do you Hate the most about the ST?" and you haven't posted anything about people who like the ST as a counter.[/quote] That's because aside from Rey fanatics screaming about how she is an untouchable, infallible character - and absurdly trying to use the SW lore and mythos to do it - there's been little else of substance. That, and the occasional "Finn being a stooge and an elite Stormtrooper makes perfect sense!" Or "Kylo is not a Vader wannabe. He is a complex and conflicted character." Granted Adam Driver's acting is probably better than Hayden's, but the character acts like whiny, Darkside Anakin 2.0. Nope! People were asking for the meaning or how that would work. The only criticism was some people wanting immediate supposition, while others debated about what the future supposition and meaning would be... a future that never came. I Luke had been dead at the time that novel came out, it would've ended up pulped.[/quote] If the mythos ends with ROTJ then that makes the sequel trilogy a reboot! But Disney has emphatically said that it is not. This is what I mean by purposely ruining the mythos and lore of the previous SW. And before you disagree, this same issue popped when Sony did the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man after the established onscreen canon of the Toby McGuire Spider-Man. Sony came out to the fanbase and told them it was a reboot. But Disney just wanted to lie... (Hmmmm... you and Disney have a lot in common). They wanted to do a universe reboot but sucker OT fans out of their box office money by shoehorning in the OT characters. Then to rub salt in the wound, they gave them degrading characterizations in varying degrees to hi-light their own characters by contrast. Of course there is. It's been done in the EU: Palpatine clones, the Yuuzhan Vong... just to name a few. Stop babbling that narrow minded, lying nonsense. Don't be a warrior princess channeling Disney magic. This is SW, not your latest Disney heroine animated movie! Just more rambling, lying, waffling, and back peddling! LOL!
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 17, 2018 19:18:14 GMT
They did write her as a Force User, just not the tagalong bumbling sidekick of Lukes that the OT fans wanted her to be. No they didn't. Compare Rey's powers and it's nature and usage to both the Force and to Disney magic. You will find it's much closer to Disney magic than the Force. You're just being really pedantic at this point. Rey's powers are in line with the Force, they just didn't make her a bumbler. Compare Kamala to the reaction to when Captain America, Batman and Superman got replaced. I'm sure the same thing has happened to Abrams, Ridley and Rian. They just don't go public with it. Nope, Luke was still there and the story made it clear he was the superior one. So you're admitting the ST is getting it harder than the PT by the detractors. Nope, that would require tolerance. So you're admitting you have no real rebuttal. It makes it an attempt to move beyond ROTJ and expand the Mythos. But OT fans can't have that. They only ruined the headcanon the OT fans have had for 30 years. No, they just wanted to move past the OT. All of which have the OT cast winning on their own, not needing replacement, and ending on "Happily Ever After". Make her a useless tagalong bumbler who is there only to make Old Luke look cool and make sure she dies while he never does. No, just not bothering with treating the OT fanbase with kid's gloves.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 19:23:50 GMT
I don`t know if i would go as far as calling The Last Jedi crap. But its not very good. And its not the worst of the Star Wars movies Episode I and II are worse in my opinion.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 18, 2018 0:30:25 GMT
No they didn't. Compare Rey's powers and it's nature and usage to both the Force and to Disney magic. You will find it's much closer to Disney magic than the Force. You're just being really pedantic at this point. Rey's powers are in line with the Force, they just didn't make her a bumbler. I'll admit some of them are. But much of it isn't. Pedantic?... Maybe to someone who thinks that SW is Disney princesses in space... or Harry Potter in space - or should be. But that's not what SW is. But that's exactly why the Rey character and her use of the Force has been written the way that it is - to appeal to people like you who want it to be "warrior princesses and their Disney magic in space". You keep narrowing the qualifying criteria of your argument. I wonder why? (Insert sarcasm here). The point is you're trying to demonize OT fans critical of the ST by comparison to other demographics of the entire SW fanbase. But the evidence says they're no worse, if not altogether better (despite your claims). That includes the more hardcore prequel haters (like you). That includes the touchy-feely ST fans who fanatically defend Rey and the trilogy's infallibility (like yourself). www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3371816/Please-just-die-New-York-film-critic-receives-abuse-negative-review-Star-Wars-brings-dark-fans.htmlIn your twisted mind it did. So you're admitting the ST is getting it harder than the PT by the detractors.[/quote] I admit no such thing! I admit that prequel haters were just as bad, in fact worse to be frank about it. I admit you ST fanatics can't let the slightest criticism of the sequel trilogy go (especially criticism of Rey) without going into a fanatical frenzy of trying to defend it and paint this picture of infallibility. Except that's exactly what happened. Lie about it all you want. I've been on other forums. I was there on the old IMDb message boards. I know what I'm talking about. I shouldn't have to call you out on lies and misrepresentation in the same point a dozen times - and provide proof - then be obligated to do it a thirteenth. Ending, ignoring, or rewriting IS NOT the same as expanding. Look it up in the dictionary. Uhh... no! Ending the mythos is ruining it. You already admitted that they did. Now you're saying that they attempted to expand on it (which is not the same thing). Ironically, if they had genuinely expanded on it, that would've been exactly what OT fans wanted. In some cases they did. In many cases they ignored it or totally replaced it. If they genuinely wanted to move past it then they don't even bring the OT stars onboard. Or if you do, you kill them off having them be essentially true to their character and with dignity. In metaphorical terms, it's much like handling the death of a loved one. You can handle it several different ways: Option 1. You can try to remove the griever from the situation as much as possible. Tell them "You don't want to see the body at corner. (or) You don't want an open casket funeral. It will ruin your fond memories of them." Conceal them from as much drama and activity at the funeral & wake as possible. This = not including the OT stars in the sequel trilogy. You make that decision then explain your reasons PR. Initially there would be much backlash and some box office sacrifice. But eventually (just like in grief) people will get over it and move on to what's new. Option 2. Encourage the griever to recall the deceased in dignity. Hi-light the positive and emphasize the good character traits. (This is actually a universal trait in most cultures). Despite what adverse experiences a coroner's viewing/open casket might have. getting involved in this process will offset it and give the griever closure. This = including the OT characters but keeping them true to their characterizations, and having them "go out in a blaze of glory". The one thing you do not do is use the funeral and/or wake setting to vent faults or trash the person's character or memory. You also don't use it as an opportunity to boast about yourself or someone else in comparison. This = what Disney did. Luke was the biggest victim. Han and Chewbacca were a mixed bag. And Leia has been slightly slighted. So yeah, Disney brought this on themselves by their deliberate choices. And the only ones adamantly defending it is hardcore ST fans drunk over their love affair with Disney's SW warrior princess, Rey... and the Disney channel characterizations that surround her. Those victories usually came with cost. Unlike MarySue Rey who effortlessly wins and succeeds at everything. Her only grievance seems to be not knowing who her parents were - and not yet winning the heart of the mass-murdering antagonist who also wants to kill her whenever she rejects his plans and vision. Poor little Disney warrior princess! (Insert cynical tears here). Nope! Not being a warrior princess using Disney magic in SW leaves a lot of other options besides being a bumbler. The history of SW characters has proven that. That "all or nothing" false narrative is your dysfunctional issue. And laughably so. ...by gratuitously slandering them. Such tactics reveal your heavily biased and disingenuous motives.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 18, 2018 1:05:12 GMT
You're just being really pedantic at this point. Rey's powers are in line with the Force, they just didn't make her a bumbler. I'll admit some of them are. But much of it isn't. All of it is. Nothing she does is impossible from what we saw in the OT. You keep saying "expand the mythos" and then get pissed when it happens... I realized I should stick to he characters with the fanatical fanbases, like Luke. They're doing that quite fine on their own. Nope, in the novels. That's what happens when you're under nonstop attack from day one. You get edgy. Hardly. There was no room for expansion from ROTJ, the way you go on. Not without making the new characters useless sidekicks to the all-powerful OT heroes who could never lose. They just chose not to make the ST characters useless sidekicks in the humongous all powerful Republic and the all-powerful New Jedi Order who were in no need of new heroes because the OT characters were around. And that ruined the mythos somehow. The OT characters were written as people who didn't need replacing or passing any torches. Keep them exactly the same, and there's no need for any sequels in the first damn place. They had to include them to appease the OT fans though, as they'd waited 30 years. They just didn't want to sideline their new ST characters in the process. No, that's not an option. OT fans NEVER would've let go. Then there's no point to the new characters, because if the OT characters were around they'd beat the new enemy WITHOUT ANY HELP. That's how they did it in the OT after all. No, they were screwed with the timing. They didn't want to screw their ST characters by making them background characters or useless sidekicks who had to step up, but they had to include the OT characters at the same time. They came out of ROTJ stronger than they were at the start of ANH. That ain't no cost. Not if they want her to be an independent heroine who doesn't need to be guided around by Han and Luke at any point. No, just giving them the same attitude they gave the ST.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 18, 2018 11:48:28 GMT
if you're the only one that thinks you're sane...are you sane?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 18, 2018 15:10:29 GMT
if you're the only one that thinks you're sane...are you sane? formersamhmd? He's banned, is what he is. Permanently!!!!1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 16:22:05 GMT
if you're the only one that thinks you're sane...are you sane? formersamhmd ? He's banned, is what he is. Permanently!!!!1 Seriously?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 18, 2018 16:24:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 16:29:41 GMT
Wow. Any idea what they were doing?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 18, 2018 18:29:07 GMT
Wow. Any idea what they were doing? My understanding is that that's classified.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 18, 2018 19:35:44 GMT
Wow. Any idea what they were doing? My understanding is that that's classified. lol at some of the whiny reactions in that thread. Amazing how the MCU fanboys systematically try to bully and soil other franchises and forums but when they get a kick in the ass for it they start whining salty rivers like Thor when getting a haircut. What can one expect from the embodiment of intellectual underachievers and manchildren worshipping the second coming of the raccoon turd.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 19:46:38 GMT
Wow. Any idea what they were doing? My understanding is that that's classified. I don't think it is anymore. I heard the explanation.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 18, 2018 20:15:09 GMT
I'll admit some of them are. But much of it isn't. All of it is. Nothing she does is impossible from what we saw in the OT. What a laughable statement! * Defeating Kylo in Force mind probe. Something Kylo had lots of experience in. Something Rey had never done before, and didn't even know how to do. No, Kylo was not injured in that point of the story - so you can't use that excuse. And no, she didn't learn it by Kylo Force probing her. That fanfic theory has since been debunked. * The Force download?!? When she closed her eyes against Kylo in their duel, what occurred was called a Force Download. In layman's terms, the Force acts as an entity that instantly dumps itself into Rey, giving her infinite skills, power, knowledge, and abilities for whatever she applies herself to in the duel with Kylo. In other words, it was "the Force's" version of making Rey an instant MarySue. You see such a thing happen all the time with Disney magic in their heroine movies. But this is not the nature of the Force. * Rey never needs training for anything. In TLJ Luke finally agreed to train Rey. He tells her he is going to give Rey 3 lessons. But he only gives her one. And that one lesson proves to be totally unnecessary and pointless. Rey is the only Force user in the history of SW who never needs training. But you will find plenty of Disney warrior princesses who never train or develop their power, but yet they are omnipotent. * Rey is the only Lightside Force user who actually gets stronger when she is afraid, apathetic, or resentful of it. Those things always made all other Force users weaker. Expand doesn't mean that you superimpose another mythos over top the one that's already, or totally contradict it. No, you realized your argument has no validity. So resort to moving goalposts with every new reply. And that's still a lie. ... The imaginary novels that only exist in your constantly lying head. You mean like you did to prequel fans back when they made their theatrical run? And no, you're just a snowflake throwing temper tantrums at the slightest criticism, no matter how valid. Absolutely. Back to this laughable lie again! You've got nothing else. It's all you've got left. Aaaaaaaaand just repeating the same laughable lie. Yawn. Same laughable lie... Still yawning. Still yawning at this absurd and overused lie... yawn... yawn. Really!?! The OT heroes *never* needed help?? Were you watching the same movies as the rest of us? Is there a secret MarySue version of the OT that you watch all of time and none of the rest of us know about?!? Nope! They just didn't give a crap about how they treated the OT characters. And they wanted to make their new characters Disney archetypes. Rey is the MarySue warrior princess. Finn is the stooge sidekick. Kylo is the heel villain. And in TLJ Poe develops into the vain male counterpart. Watch some Disney animated movies or Disney channel. You will see these archetypes on display. They came out of ROTJ stronger than they were at the start of ANH. That ain't no cost.[/quote] I was talking about the Legends EU. But the victories they had in the OT were hardly easy. Many people died in those wars. And not one OT character breezed through their victories and abilities like Rey has. There's a difference between being totally dependent and useless - and sparingly needing help. This is another reason why Rey is a MarySue. She never needs help. And she is the only SW protagonist that you can say that about. In other words, nonstop lying.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 18, 2018 20:28:42 GMT
My understanding is that that's classified. I don't think it is anymore. I heard the explanation. dude could you kindly enlighten me? PM me if R-rated...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 20:39:59 GMT
I don't think it is anymore. I heard the explanation. dude could you kindly enlighten me? PM me if R-rated... Daisy B and Formersamhmd discovered DC Fan's Facebook page and were doxing him with pictures of his dead brother. And other unsavory things. And this whole time I thought he was a polite troll. Turns out, nope, he was a douchey troll.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 18, 2018 20:47:36 GMT
dude could you kindly enlighten me? PM me if R-rated... Daisy B and Formersamhmd discovered DC Fan's Facebook page and were doxing him with pictures of his dead brother. And other unsavory things. And this whole time I thought he was a polite troll. Turns out, nope, he was a douchey troll. thanks, yeah saw it, it's psychopathic in my opinion. That is outside the circle of good faith online banter and bickering, that is truly psychopathic and personal and shows we have some truly disturbed individuals.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 20:53:45 GMT
Daisy B and Formersamhmd discovered DC Fan's Facebook page and were doxing him with pictures of his dead brother. And other unsavory things. And this whole time I thought he was a polite troll. Turns out, nope, he was a douchey troll. thanks, yeah saw it, it's psychopathic in my opinion. That is outside the circle of good faith online banter and bickering, that is truly psychopathic and personal and shows we have some truly disturbed individuals. Yeah, totally agree. Did you see screenshots or something of what they did? I didn't. I only heard the story.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 18, 2018 21:27:04 GMT
dude could you kindly enlighten me? PM me if R-rated... Daisy B and Formersamhmd discovered DC Fan's Facebook page and were doxing him with pictures of his dead brother. And other unsavory things. And this whole time I thought he was a polite troll. Turns out, nope, he was a douchey troll. At first I did too. But recently I began to get a vibe that his politeness was just a facade, and he was a closet douchebag. Turns out I was right. I just never suspected that he would cross the line and get banned so soon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 21:29:51 GMT
Daisy B and Formersamhmd discovered DC Fan's Facebook page and were doxing him with pictures of his dead brother. And other unsavory things. And this whole time I thought he was a polite troll. Turns out, nope, he was a douchey troll. At first I did too. But recently I began to get a vibe that his politeness was just a facade, and he was a closet douchebag. Turns out I was right. I just never suspected that he would cross the line and get banned so soon. You were right.
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