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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 12, 2018 15:30:56 GMT
20 years man, that's all the build up time you need. The books are not Lucas Film. The original EU was loosely policed as far as canon is concerned. Disney controls it all now. I'm just saying that the EU had all the time it needed to build up new characters and kill off the old ones but did nothing. They got the time that the ST didn't.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 12, 2018 16:07:59 GMT
The books are not Lucas Film. The original EU was loosely policed as far as canon is concerned. Disney controls it all now. I'm just saying that the EU had all the time it needed to build up new characters and kill off the old ones but did nothing. They got the time that the ST didn't. It is possible that Han, Luke and Leia death's were being saved for George Lucas version of episode 7, 8 and 9.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 12, 2018 16:18:31 GMT
I'm just saying that the EU had all the time it needed to build up new characters and kill off the old ones but did nothing. They got the time that the ST didn't. It is possible that Han, Luke and Leia death's were being saved for George Lucas version of episode 7, 8 and 9. Lucas wasn't going to do another story after ROTJ. He basically admitted he didn't think there was any story after Vader died.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 12, 2018 16:24:13 GMT
It is possible that Han, Luke and Leia death's were being saved for George Lucas version of episode 7, 8 and 9. Lucas wasn't going to do another story after ROTJ. He basically admitted he didn't think there was any story after Vader died. And, yet, he wrote story treatments for the next three episodes.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 12, 2018 16:25:40 GMT
Lucas’ grown-up son also revealed that his father has already told him about the story plan for Episodes VII-IX – something that even the actors who’ve auditioned for the film are in the dark about. He played coy, but in the process seemed to drop a few hints – most of which confirm what most fans have already speculated (i.e. that the films will largely focus on a whole new set of characters).
“I’m happy with what’s going to happen… I would like to see [Episodes VII-IX] following a new generation. I’m not saying that’s what happens, I’m saying that’s what I would like… because to me these movies are about the next generation as the prequels are about a new generation and the originals were for that generation… I think following a new generation and a new group of heroes and villains will – [pause] I think that’s the right move to make.”
Of course, it was George Lucas himself who let it slip that the original Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill), Leia (Carrie Fisher) and Han Solo (Harrison Ford) will return to portray older version of the characters in Episode VII (or, rather, that the trio is in “final negotiations” to reprise their roles) – and we’ve since heard multiple reports that confirm that Hamill and Fisher are, in fact, getting back into Jedi/hero shape for the film. As such, there looks to be some passing of the torch on both sides of the camera with the latest installment in Lucas’ imaginative space opera/legend.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Apr 12, 2018 16:53:57 GMT
Lucas wasn't going to do another story after ROTJ. He basically admitted he didn't think there was any story after Vader died. And, yet, he wrote story treatments for the next three episodes. Unlike JJ Abrams.
Unless you believe what Daisy Ridley says, but she cannot distinguish a Luke from a Sue, or a Lucas from a Jar Jar.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 12, 2018 17:09:12 GMT
And, yet, he wrote story treatments for the next three episodes.
Unless you believe what Daisy Ridley says,
Poor Daisy's been getting trashed coming and going too. I'm fully expecting some OT fans to say they could die happy men watching her get raped. I've seen this kind of attitude before from fandom.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 12, 2018 17:27:57 GMT
It is possible that Han, Luke and Leia death's were being saved for George Lucas version of episode 7, 8 and 9. Lucas wasn't going to do another story after ROTJ. He basically admitted he didn't think there was any story after Vader died. Not entirely true. Once again showing how ignorant you are about SW yet shooting your mouth off like you know more than us.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 12, 2018 17:30:28 GMT
Unless you believe what Daisy Ridley says,
Poor Daisy's been getting trashed coming and going too. I'm fully expecting some OT fans to say they could die happy men watching her get raped. I've seen this kind of attitude before from fandom. You're demonization of OT fans is rather pathetic. It's delusional and borderline psychotic.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 12, 2018 18:05:37 GMT
Poor Daisy's been getting trashed coming and going too. I'm fully expecting some OT fans to say they could die happy men watching her get raped. I've seen this kind of attitude before from fandom. You're demonization of OT fans is rather pathetic. It's delusional and borderline psychotic. OT fans threw the first punches here, not my fault they can't own up.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 12, 2018 18:06:22 GMT
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 12, 2018 19:01:41 GMT
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 12, 2018 19:18:17 GMT
So Lucas said there was nothing beyond ROTJ for years, then he decided to try something after years of "no" when Disney bought him out. Most likely he didn't have much of an idea in the first place and that's why they chucked it out. Of course, seeing how Lucas himself wrote Luke into an Exile it doesn't kick down you "Everything in the ST is fanfic!" stuff.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 12, 2018 19:23:23 GMT
So Lucas said there was nothing beyond ROTJ for years, then he decided to try something after years of "no" when Disney bought him out. Most likely he didn't have much of an idea in the first place and that's why they chucked it out. Of course, seeing how Lucas himself wrote Luke into an Exile it doesn't kick down you "Everything in the ST is fanfic!" stuff. Lucas did not write Luke as an exiled hermit. More lies.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 12, 2018 19:25:10 GMT
So Lucas said there was nothing beyond ROTJ for years, then he decided to try something after years of "no" when Disney bought him out. Most likely he didn't have much of an idea in the first place and that's why they chucked it out. Of course, seeing how Lucas himself wrote Luke into an Exile it doesn't kick down you "Everything in the ST is fanfic!" stuff. Lucas did not write Luke as an exiled hermit. More lies. That link you posted says even Lucas' proposal had Luke in exile being brought back by a young female warrior.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 12, 2018 19:36:33 GMT
Lucas did not write Luke as an exiled hermit. More lies. That link you posted says even Lucas' proposal had Luke in exile being brought back by a young female warrior. It doesn't say anything about Luke being an inept hermit character who cut himself off from the Force. It doesn't say why he was exiled. In fact it says that the female character brings Luke back to the fight... which didn't happen in TLJ. It also says that Luke was to be an ObiWan-like character. Again, didn't happen. Instead they turned Luke into a grumpy quitter hermit who refused to get involved. So once again, your twisting the facts to suit your argument.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 12, 2018 19:40:03 GMT
That link you posted says even Lucas' proposal had Luke in exile being brought back by a young female warrior. It doesn't say anything about Luke being an inept hermit character who cut himself off from the Force. It doesn't say why he was exiled. It doesn't say anything about Luke NOT becoming a bitter hermit either, so this is a standstill. But thanks for continuing to show how nigh-impossible it would've been for anyone to write a way for the ST cast to be properly passed the Torch without someone getting pissed. Seriously, I can't think of ONE freaking time it happened without someone complaining. Unless it's done during the original story itself.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 12, 2018 19:54:25 GMT
It doesn't say anything about Luke being an inept hermit character who cut himself off from the Force. It doesn't say why he was exiled. It doesn't say anything about Luke NOT becoming a bitter hermit either, so this is a standstill. But thanks for continuing to show how nigh-impossible it would've been for anyone to write a way for the ST cast to be properly passed the Torch without someone getting pissed. Seriously, I can't think of ONE freaking time it happened without someone complaining. Unless it's done during the original story itself. Mark Hamill already knew what Lucas sequel trilogy ideas were for the character. So he knew Luke's exile was not the way Rian Johnson did it. Also Hamill was originally working with Trevorrow on Luke's characterization and it was much more honest to Luke's characterization. It was Rian Johnson who came in made Luke's reasons for exhile center around being a self defeated hermit. Which is why Hamill has been so vocal about complaining about it. Yes, it was Lucas who approached Hamill about signing on to the sequel trilogy; and pitched his concepts of the story and Luke's characterization. So if Luke was going to be the character that Disney made him, Hamill would've never signed on. And he wouldn't have been surprised about the changes and complained about them. Once again, your argument has a bogus foundation.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 12, 2018 20:12:00 GMT
Mark Hamill already knew what Lucas sequel trilogy ideas were for the character. So he knew Luke's exile was not the way Rian Johnson did it. No, he knew some bare bones stuff about Luke being in exile and handing his saber over. He didn't know the rest until the movie was shot. Mmm-hmm, probably about Rey getting killed and Luke coming back to take over. Or Rey becoming his sidekick. Yeah, and were his great ideas?
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 12, 2018 20:21:33 GMT
Mark Hamill already knew what Lucas sequel trilogy ideas were for the character. So he knew Luke's exile was not the way Rian Johnson did it. No, he knew some bare bones stuff about Luke being in exile and handing his saber over. He didn't know the rest until the movie was shot. Mmm-hmm, probably about Rey getting killed and Luke coming back to take over. Or Rey becoming his sidekick. Yeah, and were his great ideas?
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