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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 21, 2018 0:02:53 GMT
1. Jesus is not the religious teaching. He's the teacher 2. Jesus could sin because he is beholden to God's standards as a human 3. God cannot sin, but he could err against his own standards but hasn't done so. Actually, he may not even be able to err against his standards since one of his limitations is he cannot lie. Wow, I love how convoluted you guys can make things, and then quite smugly think they must be true...whatever it is you are avowing as a matter of convenience to the problem at hand. I grant you it is quite a skill, however there is a great problem with consistency and logic. No 1...got it...Jesus is the teacher. 2. Jesus could sin because he is beholden to God's standards as a human....wait, is Jesus human or not? or is he a God, is he both? In this statement you seem to be going with Jesus is human because God said so. Is he also beholden to God's standards as God, if he is God? How can he be God when God is God? 3. is gobbledegook. Can God sin or err or what? I added numbers to make it simple and you're still Gozzing it up. But because I'm nice. 2. I was speaking in regards to him being human but it wouldn't matter. He has the ability to disobey God like all other intelligent creation 3. I made it pretty clear that God cannot sin. He probably can't make a mistake either. They aren't the same thing....You may want to sit down for this last part... However, he can regret an action which is also not the same thing as a mistake or an error. |
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Post by goz on Apr 21, 2018 0:41:44 GMT
So Jesus Wow, I love how convoluted you guys can make things, and then quite smugly think they must be true...whatever it is you are avowing as a matter of convenience to the problem at hand. I grant you it is quite a skill, however there is a great problem with consistency and logic. No 1...got it...Jesus is the teacher. 2. Jesus could sin because he is beholden to God's standards as a human....wait, is Jesus human or not? or is he a God, is he both? In this statement you seem to be going with Jesus is human because God said so. Is he also beholden to God's standards as God, if he is God? How can he be God when God is God? 3. is gobbledegook. Can God sin or err or what? I added numbers to make it simple and you're still Gozzing it up. But because I'm nice. 2. I was speaking in regards to him being human but it wouldn't matter. He has the ability to disobey God like all other intelligent creation 3. I made it pretty clear that God cannot sin. He probably can't make a mistake either. They aren't the same thing....You may want to sit down for this last part... However, he can regret an action which is also not the same thing as a mistake or an error. LOL 'Gozzing it up'...I LOVE THAT! You are indeed 'nice'. You still don't make sense though. 2. So Jesus is human...got it! Still don't get how he has 'special powers' though. Is he son of God and half human/half God? Wait you said no. He is human...So does that mean that he is a human conduit of God? Like a 'possession' (inhabitant not chattel) You guys talk a lot about devil possession so is it like this only a positive possession? 3. Got it. God cannot sin...would be pretty hypocritical system if he could LOL. He can can't make mistakes (clearly would stuff up the idea of Creation) butt he can 'regret' though not making mistakes or errors. Your God sounds just like those politicians who stuff up and have to apologise and refuse to take responsibility by saying ( instead of I am sorry I was wrong).. I 'regret'....whatever transgression it was. Regret is just pathetic excuse for not taking responsibility IMHO. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 21, 2018 1:07:17 GMT
But it is convoluted and absurd. People are just too afraid to let go of their delusional beliefs. No it's not. My point! Delusion and denial in regards to the belief system. Beliefs aren't even real. Even Christ knew this. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 21, 2018 1:11:33 GMT
If sinning is a transgression from religious teachings and Jesus is the religious teaching, then is it even possible for Jesus to sin? 1. Jesus is not the religious teaching. He's the teacher 2. Jesus could sin because he is beholden to God's standards as a human 3. God cannot sin, but he could err against his own standards but hasn't done so. Actually, he may not even be able to err against his standards since one of his limitations is he cannot lie. Jesus's teachings have become about religion. God, Christ, it's all one and the same. Sin is just a man-made notion and based around bulls<>t religion. |
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Post by mslo79 on May 3, 2018 6:56:24 GMT
NO, obviously.
if He even had the slightest little sin it would make Him imperfect, which is not possible.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 3, 2018 13:49:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 16:08:36 GMT
Is doubting god a sin?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 3, 2018 16:54:22 GMT
Well, it's a sin as much as anything else not matching up to God's standards is. We have plenty of evidence of people in the Bible that doubted God's ability or plan, but they usually want to a way to be corrected on their thinking, so it;s not the same. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 17:23:24 GMT
Well, it's a sin as much as anything else not matching up to God's standards is. We have plenty of evidence of people in the Bible that doubted God's ability or plan, but they usually want to a way to be corrected on their thinking, so it;s not the same. So that's a 'yes'? |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 3, 2018 17:26:41 GMT
Well, it's a sin as much as anything else not matching up to God's standards is. We have plenty of evidence of people in the Bible that doubted God's ability or plan, but they usually want to a way to be corrected on their thinking, so it;s not the same. So that's a 'yes'? I don't see how you could have gotten anything other than a yes from the statement. One of these days, I'll have to learn monosyllabic communication in order to avoid confusing people with confusing things like explanations. Curse my intelligence!  |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 17:30:34 GMT
I don't see how you could have gotten anything other than a yes from the statement. Considering 'yes' is nowhere in the response...  Incidentally- "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"Ergo, the answer to this OP is yes. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 4, 2018 11:54:20 GMT
Well, it's a sin as much as anything else not matching up to God's standards is. We have plenty of evidence of people in the Bible that doubted God's ability or plan, but they usually want to a way to be corrected on their thinking, so it;s not the same. “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46, KJV).
Jesus cannot be 'corrected' since Jesus is perfect and perfection cannot be in error..
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