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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 18, 2018 2:05:42 GMT
A/some X-men fans belief that MCU will ruin X-Men is hilarious. Based on nothing other than some odd perception that the franchise is the pinnacle of CBM movies that can be nothing but worse in another's (yet still Marvel's!) hands. There were some great X-Men films...but Jesus there were some real stinkers as well. All of the X-Men properties have better reception than Iron Fist and Inhumans. And Origins is only the only property that got significantly negative reaction, but was still better than those two. Iron Fist was disliked for political reasons, and Inhumans suffered from NO ONE involved actually wanting to make it. Going by movies alone, the MCU still wins. |
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Post by Ecstasy on Apr 18, 2018 2:08:55 GMT
All of the X-Men properties have better reception than Iron Fist and Inhumans. And Origins is only the only property that got significantly negative reaction, but was still better than those two. , and Inhumans suffered from NO ONE involved actually wanting to make it. Going by movies alone, the MCU still wins. No, it’s because Iron Fist was boring. Doctor Strange and Iron Man 3 whitewashed orient characters, remember? |
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Post by Ecstasy on Apr 18, 2018 2:12:17 GMT
formersamhmdBtw, Iron Fist’s reception was so bad that it hurt the viewership of The Defenders.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 18, 2018 2:24:34 GMT
Iron Fist was disliked for political reasons, and Inhumans suffered from NO ONE involved actually wanting to make it. Going by movies alone, the MCU still wins. No, it’s because Iron Fist was boring. Doctor Strange and Iron Man 3 whitewashed orient characters, remember? Dr Strange pulled it off because Magic is not something as associated with Orientalism as Kung Fu is, and his hidden Mystic Temple was clearly shown to be a multicultural place. Iron Fist took a clearly Asian thing and gave us a stereotypical Magical Asian City as well. Iron Man 3 took an Oriental character and made him Middle-Eastern, so it's still not whitewashing. As for Defenders, it wasn't just Iron Fist. The marketing was bad for the show, so people who only liked DD but not the others/JJ but not the others/Luke Cage but not the others didn't realize that they didn't have to watch all the MCU Netflix shows to understand Defenders. |
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Post by Daisy on Apr 18, 2018 2:40:17 GMT
Iron Fist was disliked for political reasons, and Inhumans suffered from NO ONE involved actually wanting to make it. Going by movies alone, the MCU still wins. No, it’s because Iron Fist was boring. Nope. People were rooting for bad reviews before it was even released because of the casting 'controversy.' |
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Post by Ecstasy on Apr 18, 2018 5:40:27 GMT
No, it’s because Iron Fist was boring. Doctor Strange and Iron Man 3 whitewashed orient characters, remember? Dr Strange pulled it off because Magic is not something as associated with Orientalism as Kung Fu is, and his hidden Mystic Temple was clearly shown to be a multicultural place. Iron Fist took a clearly Asian thing and gave us a stereotypical Magical Asian City as well. Iron Man 3 took an Oriental character and made him Middle-Eastern, so it's still not whitewashing. As for Defenders, it wasn't just Iron Fist. The marketing was bad for the show, so people who only liked DD but not the others/JJ but not the others/Luke Cage but not the others didn't realize that they didn't have to watch all the MCU Netflix shows to understand Defenders. Uh, the magic in Doctor Strange was asiatic, the temple had an asiatic look to it, and the clothing. There is mentionings of chakra and the third eye telling you it’s asiatic magic. Middle-Easterns are considered casucasian and the true Mandarin in the film was played by Guy Pearce, a white man. |
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Post by Ecstasy on Apr 18, 2018 5:42:29 GMT
No, it’s because Iron Fist was boring. Nope. People were rooting for bad reviews before it was even released because of the casting 'controversy.' And people were rooting for the F4 reboot to get bad reviews because they made Johnny Storm black. Doesn’t mean that the criticisms of it being boring like Iron Fist wasn’t genuine. |
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Post by thenewnexus on Apr 18, 2018 5:49:20 GMT
If they turn X men movies into comedies it will be a sad day. Only the Netflix stuff and WS and BP are good.
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Post by sostie on Apr 18, 2018 9:57:16 GMT
Iron Fist was disliked for political reasons, and Inhumans suffered from NO ONE involved actually wanting to make it. Going by movies alone, the MCU still wins. Doctor Strange and Iron Man 3 whitewashed orient characters, remember? If they had white actors playing an Asian role then you can call it "whitewashing". But they didn't. The Ancient one was changed to avoid the tired old cliche of the "Oriental Sage", which makes perfect sense. In it's place there is a character that they state clearly is Celtic. It's not as if you really care, I mean if you did you'd also complain the chosenhas changed sex as well! As for Mandarin...the comic book character is of English/Asian parentage. Ben Kingsley is of English/Asian parentage. Guy Pearce is not the "true" Mandarin....your complaint isn't then about "whitewashing" but not actually portraying the character (and again I don't think you really care, you just was to throw sahde at the MCU). Anyway, in the short film "All Hail the King", which is considered part of the MCU, the real Mandarin is hunting down the fake one. Fake Mandarin was employed to pretend to be the real Mandarin. |
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Post by charzhino on Apr 18, 2018 12:08:45 GMT
Still hoping the takeover falls through although unlikely.
I think there is little doubt that once Feige gets hold of Xmen under the umbrella of Disney, it will sadly be turned into a lighthearted, sanitized product with a good chunk of added pre-pubescent comedy. This is the gold mine formula in making the most revenue, as it attracts the family/child audience, even though it will betray the Xmen spirit.
MCU movies are good in the sense that they appeal to everyone but its a shame Xmen will be thrown into that crowd too as Xmen has always been for the slightly more intelligent, maturer reader/viewers from comics, to cartoons to films.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 18, 2018 15:16:19 GMT
Still hoping the takeover falls through although unlikely. I think there is little doubt that once Feige gets hold of Xmen under the umbrella of Disney, it will sadly be turned into a lighthearted, sanitized product with a good chunk of added pre-pubescent comedy. This is the gold mine formula in making the most revenue, as it attracts the family/child audience, even though it will betray the Xmen spirit. MCU movies are good in the sense that they appeal to everyone but its a shame Xmen will be thrown into that crowd too as Xmen has always been for the slightly more intelligent, maturer reader/viewers from comics, to cartoons to films. This is right where I'm at. I don't have really any hope that the X-stuff won't cohere the MCU formula. |
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Apr 18, 2018 17:59:44 GMT
If they turn X men movies into comedies it will be a sad day. Only the Netflix stuff and WS and BP are good. According to whom and based on which criteria? |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Apr 18, 2018 18:15:22 GMT
Still hoping the takeover falls through although unlikely. I think there is little doubt that once Feige gets hold of Xmen under the umbrella of Disney, it will sadly be turned into a lighthearted, sanitized product with a good chunk of added pre-pubescent comedy. This is the gold mine formula in making the most revenue, as it attracts the family/child audience, even though it will betray the Xmen spirit. MCU movies are good in the sense that they appeal to everyone but its a shame Xmen will be thrown into that crowd too as Xmen has always been for the slightly more intelligent, maturer reader/viewers from comics, to cartoons to films. Last time I checked, X-Men also appealed to everyone. When I went to go see X-Men movies, I also saw parents taking their children to go see them. You give X-Men way too much credit. No one is smarter than the other simply because one likes X-Men more than the MCU. |
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Post by Ecstasy on Apr 18, 2018 22:29:48 GMT
If they had white actors playing an Asian role then you can call it "whitewashing". But they didn't. I said oriential, not asian. So you admit that they whitewashed a character. Ben Kingsley is not oriential. Who the fuck is complaining? Seems like you didn’t even read the conversation I had with formersamhmd. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 18, 2018 22:31:49 GMT
If they turn X men movies into comedies it will be a sad day. Only the Netflix stuff and WS and BP are good. According to whom and based on which criteria? Search your feelings. You know it to be true... |
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 18, 2018 23:03:38 GMT
A/some X-men fans belief that MCU will ruin X-Men is hilarious. Based on nothing other than some odd perception that the franchise is the pinnacle of CBM movies that can be nothing but worse in another's (yet still Marvel's!) hands. There were some great X-Men films...but Jesus there were some real stinkers as well. All of the X-Men properties have better reception than Iron Fist and Inhumans. And Origins is only the only property that got significantly negative reaction, but was still better than those two. If you need to compare full X-men movies to MCU TV shows just so you can make Fox look good then you know Fox is utterly failing. |
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Post by sostie on Apr 18, 2018 23:28:06 GMT
If they had white actors playing an Asian role then you can call it "whitewashing". But they didn't. I said oriential, not asian. OK then...if they had white actors playing an Oriental role then you can call it "whitewashing". But they didn't. No. Tilda Swinton didn't play an "Oriental". She played a Celt. And neither is Mandarin. He's half English, half Mongolion OK...so you seem to have an issue with Whitewashing then (despite the two examples you give are not or debateable). So do you also have a problem with... Agent Zero in Wolverine...a German/American character played by an Asian actor Deadshot in Suicide Squad...a white character played by an African/America Ra's al Ghul in Batman Begins...an Arab character played by an Irish man Thinderbird in Gifted...Native American played by a caucasian Sunspot in New Mutants...Afro Brazilian played by a white Brazilian? |
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Post by Ecstasy on Apr 19, 2018 0:09:48 GMT
All of the X-Men properties have better reception than Iron Fist and Inhumans. And Origins is only the only property that got significantly negative reaction, but was still better than those two. If you need to compare full X-men movies to MCU TV shows just so you can make Fox look good then you know Fox is utterly failing. I said properties, which includes the X-Men TV series Legion and Gifted. And the pilot was released in IMAX. |
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Post by Ecstasy on Apr 19, 2018 0:20:55 GMT
OK then...if they had white actors playing an Oriental role then you can call it "whitewashing". But they didn't. Both actors were caucasian dude. Still falls under white washing. Do you know what oriental means? LMAO you seriously do not know the context of the discussion. Read the thread before you post, please. |
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Post by Ecstasy on Apr 19, 2018 0:29:10 GMT
sostie Btw, Thunderbird’s actor is Amerindian(Native American) and even looks it.
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