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Post by Popeye Doyle on Mar 14, 2017 9:18:22 GMT
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Post by ck100 on Mar 14, 2017 9:44:47 GMT
Live and Let Die. It's so dated.
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Post by J.B. on Mar 14, 2017 9:56:23 GMT
Even though it is a James Bond film, Diamonds Are Forever doesn't do much for me. It's not regarded as an official movie, but I think Never Say Never Again is worse. I think Sean Connery is still the best actor, though.
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Post by miike80 on Mar 14, 2017 10:13:10 GMT
Die Another Day
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Post by JHA Durant on Mar 14, 2017 10:46:03 GMT
Die Another Day is an awful film.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Mar 14, 2017 11:19:27 GMT
Quantum of Solace by far!
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Post by marth on Mar 14, 2017 14:29:31 GMT
Quantum of Solace by far! I second this. Other not so good JB films: Diamonds Die Another Day I really like A View to a Kill, almost a guilty pleasure... |
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Post by movielover on Mar 14, 2017 14:36:27 GMT
The Living Daylights - What an unmemorable movie. The only thing I remember about it was that I stopped watching James Bond films after seeing it.
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Post by NewtJorden on Mar 14, 2017 14:39:22 GMT
Die Another Day
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 15:14:50 GMT
It was close between Diamonds Are Forever and Die Another Day, but I had to give it to Diamonds Are Forever....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 1:21:37 GMT
Dammit, voted before I saw NSNA was a choice. But that's not really canon.
I went with Diamonds Are Forever. I know I'm supposed to pick Die Another Day but the last time I saw it, it didn't seem THAT terrible.
Others in the conversation: OHMSS, Live and Let Die and the Dalton movies. Had to turn Lazenby and The Living Daylights off after 30 mins when trying to rewatch - so boring.
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Post by J.B. on Mar 15, 2017 1:37:21 GMT
Dammit, voted before I saw NSNA was a choice. But that's not really canon. I went with Diamonds Are Forever. I know I'm supposed to pick Die Another Day but the last time I saw it, it didn't seem THAT terrible. Others in the conversation: OHMSS, Live and Let Die and the Dalton movies. Had to turn Lazenby and The Living Daylights off after 30 mins when trying to rewatch - so boring. I voted the same, and feel the same exact way about Diamonds Are Forever versus Die Another Day. DAD holds up a little better in re-watching, for me, than DAF does. I really like the older James Bond films, but DAF feels neither here nor there; an awkward circumstance of a subpar Roger Moore style Bond film that neither benefits from the excellent Moore, nor the previous excellence that Sean Connery demonstrated through his earlier films, as Connery delivers his least compelling performance in the movie. By regular film standards of the time, it's still decent, but it feels quite ordinary. Most James Bond films appear to be a lot better than most of their action-adventure-mystery contemporaries. A big reason I did not pick Never Say Never Again, is because that one is not considered an official James Bond film, even though it obviously stars the character and his most famous actor. NSNA is for me slightly better than DAF, anyway, resembling Thunderball, yet too much so. In fact, I really enjoyed On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and it is one of my favorites, although George Lazenby is not my favorite James Bond actor. He probably makes number three or four, depending on my views that day. I thought Live and Let Die and the Dalton films were mostly good Bond entries, although Timothy Dalton unfortunately had less compelling stories than Moore had been given. |
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Mar 15, 2017 5:33:17 GMT
Diamonds Are Forever has never rated highly among Bond films (although it scored spectacularly at the box office, primarily, I suppose, because the movie represented Connery's much-anticipated return after skipping the previous 007 venture), and obviously it does not rate highly here. Personally, however, I consider the film one of the most fascinating and compelling of all the Bond movies—different from the traditional 007 adventures and in some ways savvier for that reason. For the sake of presenting a different perspective, I will copy what I wrote (and then saved) on IMDb back in January 2006:
My favorite Bond film is From Russia with Love, the tension, austerity, and elegance of which the series soon abandoned. But while Diamonds Are Forever certainly is nowhere as taut as Connery's second 007 outing, I've always been fond of it. Yes, the film initiates the tone of light comedy and self-parody that would come to define the Roger Moore era (1973-1985), but the low, over-the-top humor is self-aware and quite effective here, particularly in the Keystone Kops car chase sequence. Moreover, the's movie's tone doesn't end with absurdly exaggerated camp. There's an elegant sense of forlorn moodiness to the film, even a hint of melancholy and reflective ambiguity that speaks to its newly minted seventies moment (after all, Bond had now entered the "gray" decade). In part, this mood is generated by the film's lushly crystalline music and unforgettable title song (perhaps one of the best in movie history), along with its silver-toned cinematography. Overall, these qualities combine to grant Diamonds Are Forever a sense of shimmering, mesmerizing quietude absent in most Bond adventures.
Diamonds Are Forever also features perhaps the most powerful and biting geopolitical commentary found in any of the 007 movies, along with some incisive reflections on the nuclear arms race (which was a hot topic at the time in light of the S.A.L.T. agreements). Indeed, Blofeld's comment about the world's paralyzed nuclear powers "flexing their muscles like so many impotent beach boys" is arguably the most politically astute line to emerge from a Bond film.
As for Connery's performance, people have criticized him for appearing much older and heavier than in his previous outing, You Only Live Twice, four years earlier. Indeed, I've read where one fan said that Connery returned at 40 and instead looked 50. It's true that Connery is starting to gray here, and he is heavier than before, but he remains robust and perhaps more physically powerful and aggressive than ever. It's as if the actor came back older, bigger, stronger, and angrier than ever, taking Bond's ruthlessness and flippant belligerence to an even scarier extreme. At the beginning of the film, Bond is brutalizing everyone and everything in sight, almost as if Connery was intent on reasserting himself as the "real" cinematic 007, following the soft boyishness of George Lazenby. Indeed, the scene where he tells Denise Perrier's lounging, bikini-clad temptress, "There is something I've been meaning to get off your chest," and then rips off her top and chokes her with it in one fell swoop, is Bond at his most erotically dangerous and misogynistic. Overall, Bond stalks supreme over this postmodern, Las Vegas desert landscape. Instead of being caught in the plot, he towers over it, with Connery elevating him to a level of pure mythos. Some may see him as being overly detached here, but I view his god-like self-assurance as a sign of liberation. And because he definitely seemed to be playing Bond for the final time, there's also a certain abstract pathos to his character which is then reflected in the film's forlorn sensibility.
Overall, it's that combination of pathos, mythos, and elegant moodiness that makes Diamonds Are Forever a unique Bond film. It's different from Connery's previous 007 outings, but also distinct from Roger Moore's future efforts, which would retain the tones of light comedy and self-parody but lose the meditative mythos and haunting grace. Diamonds Are Forever isn't a brilliant film, but it's the one that cemented James Bond's legendary iconography. From here on out, all Bond films, no matter how enjoyable they appeared, would prove rather perfunctory in their existence. With Connery taking Bond to the realm of surreal myth, what exactly was left for anyone else?
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Mar 15, 2017 5:47:16 GMT
I believe that I have only seen each film once and not for eleven years, but I much preferred The Living Daylights to License to Kill among the two Timothy Dalton outings. The Living Daylights offered more of a traditional romantic sweep that I found refreshing.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Mar 15, 2017 6:05:05 GMT
Diamonds Are Forever has never rated highly among Bond films (although it scored spectacularly at the box office, primarily, I suppose, because the movie represented Connery's much-anticipated return after skipping the previous 007 venture), and obviously it does not rate highly here. Personally, however, I consider the film one of the most fascinating and compelling of all the Bond movies—different from the traditional 007 adventures and in some ways savvier for that reason. For the sake of presenting a different perspective, I will copy what I wrote (and then saved) on IMDb back in January 2006: My favorite Bond film is From Russia with Love, the tension, austerity, and elegance of which the series soon abandoned. But while Diamonds Are Forever certainly is nowhere as taut as Connery's second 007 outing, I've always been fond of it. Yes, the film initiates the tone of light comedy and self-parody that would come to define the Roger Moore era (1973-1985), but the low, over-the-top humor is self-aware and quite effective here, particularly in the Keystone Kops car chase sequence. Moreover, the's movie's tone doesn't end with absurdly exaggerated camp. There's an elegant sense of forlorn moodiness to the film, even a hint of melancholy and reflective ambiguity that speaks to its newly minted seventies moment (after all, Bond had now entered the "gray" decade). In part, this mood is generated by the film's lushly crystalline music and unforgettable title song (perhaps one of the best in movie history), along with its silver-toned cinematography. Overall, these qualities combine to grant Diamonds Are Forever a sense of shimmering, mesmerizing quietude absent in most Bond adventures.
Diamonds Are Forever also features perhaps the most powerful and biting geopolitical commentary found in any of the 007 movies, along with some incisive reflections on the nuclear arms race (which was a hot topic at the time in light of the S.A.L.T. agreements). Indeed, Blofeld's comment about the world's paralyzed nuclear powers "flexing their muscles like so many impotent beach boys" is arguably the most politically astute line to emerge from a Bond film.
As for Connery's performance, people have criticized him for appearing much older and heavier than in his previous outing, You Only Live Twice, four years earlier. Indeed, I've read where one fan said that Connery returned at 40 and instead looked 50. It's true that Connery is starting to gray here, and he is heavier than before, but he remains robust and perhaps more physically powerful and aggressive than ever. It's as if the actor came back older, bigger, stronger, and angrier than ever, taking Bond's ruthlessness and flippant belligerence to an even scarier extreme. At the beginning of the film, Bond is brutalizing everyone and everything in sight, almost as if Connery was intent on reasserting himself as the "real" cinematic 007, following the soft boyishness of George Lazenby. Indeed, the scene where he tells Denise Perrier's lounging, bikini-clad temptress, "There is something I've been meaning to get off your chest," and then rips off her top and chokes her with it in one fell swoop, is Bond at his most erotically dangerous and misogynistic. Overall, Bond stalks supreme over this postmodern, Las Vegas desert landscape. Instead of being caught in the plot, he towers over it, with Connery elevating him to a level of pure mythos. Some may see him as being overly detached here, but I view his god-like self-assurance as a sign of liberation. And because he definitely seemed to be playing Bond for the final time, there's also a certain abstract pathos to his character which is then reflected in the film's forlorn sensibility.
Overall, it's that combination of pathos, mythos, and elegant moodiness that makes Diamonds Are Forever a unique Bond film. It's different from Connery's previous 007 outings, but also distinct from Roger Moore's future efforts, which would retain the tones of light comedy and self-parody but lose the meditative mythos and haunting grace. Diamonds Are Forever isn't a brilliant film, but it's the one that cemented James Bond's legendary iconography. From here on out, all Bond films, no matter how enjoyable they appeared, would prove rather perfunctory in their existence. With Connery taking Bond to the realm of surreal myth, what exactly was left for anyone else? By the way, the S.A.L.T. agreements actually came later in the decade, the first in 1972. My point was that the nuclear arms race that led to the S.A.L.T. agreements constituted a significant topic at the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 15:05:00 GMT
Only seen half of these films but the worst by far is Die Another Day.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 15:12:13 GMT
People are confused.
"Diamonds are Forever" isn't the worst James Bond Film, it's just the worst Sean Connery James Bond film.
People remember their disdain for that film because it doesn't hold up to Connery's other entries, but compared to "Die Another Day" or "Quantum of Solace" its amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 15:20:22 GMT
I'm not. "Diamonds are Forever" isn't the worst James Bond Film, it's just the worst Sean Connery James Bond film. In your opinion. To me, it's the worst Bond film People remember their disdain for that film because it doesn't hold up to Connery's other entries, but compared to "Die Another Day" or "Quantum of Solace" its amazing. It's neck and neck with Die Another Day, but Quantum of Solace is much better than both of those films.... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 15:24:29 GMT
It's neck and neck with Die Another Day, but Quantum of Solace is much better than both of those films.... Even Daniel Craig said that QoS was written during the writers strike. They didn't have a full script and the only completed script was a rough draft. The director and actor had to basically wing it to get the film done in time to make it's release date. Daniel Craig said the experience almost put him off on doing any more Bond films and the movie is a piece of shit. That's from his own mouth. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 15:25:33 GMT
I voted the same, and feel the same exact way about Diamonds Are Forever versus Die Another Day. DAD holds up a little better in re-watching, for me, than DAF does. The thing that gives Die Another Day the edge for me is Brosnan's performence. Poor guy wanted to play a serious Bond so bad. The movie is terrible, but you can see Brosnan is putting his heart into it. With Diamonds Are Forever, the movie is just bad, plus Connery is clearly just phoning it in for the paycheck.... |
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