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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 24, 2018 23:45:29 GMT
That's what I mean. I find it interesting to follow the movie business, but I would never tell anyone it MATTERS. As far as the precious MCU, it's a win-win: either the movies succeed and I get a bigger dividend check, or they fail and I laugh my ass off. You clicked like on a news article about Marvel’s creator’s sexual misconduct the other day. If you like the fact that Stan Lee was accused of sexual misconduct, then your hatred for Marvel is obviously deeper than you let on. Now, here we go. This is sort of interesting. First of all, I click like on practically everything, so again you're placing too much weight on innocuous things. But -- let's set that aside and say it's significant. Why can't I be a lifelong Marvel fan who's saddened and appalled by the accusations? Why does Marvel fandom mean I HAVE to assume Stan Lee's innocence? How does this dovetail with other contemporary societal issues of our day -- MeToo, Cosby, etc.? And so on. I've always tried hard to separate the art and the artist, which seems to confound a lot of people. What do you think? |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Apr 24, 2018 23:51:38 GMT
You clicked like on a news article about Marvel’s creator’s sexual misconduct the other day. If you like the fact that Stan Lee was accused of sexual misconduct, then your hatred for Marvel is obviously deeper than you let on. Now, here we go. This is sort of interesting. First of all, I click like on practically everything, so again you're placing too much weight on innocuous things. But -- let's set that aside and say it's significant. Why can't I be a lifelong Marvel fan who's saddened and appalled by the accusations? Why does Marvel fandom mean I HAVE to assume Stan Lee's innocence? How does this dovetail with other contemporary societal issues of our day -- MeToo, Cosby, etc.? And so on. I've always tried hard to separate the art and the artist, which seems to confound a lot of people. What do you think? Marvel fandom doesn’t mean you have to assume he’s innocent. That’d be stupid. I personally don’t think he’s innocent. But that’s not something that makes me happy or sad (I don’t really care, I’ve never read any of his comics, I’m not a fan). If you’d be saddened and appalled by some piece of news you wouldn’t like said piece of news. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 24, 2018 23:55:56 GMT
Now, here we go. This is sort of interesting. First of all, I click like on practically everything, so again you're placing too much weight on innocuous things. But -- let's set that aside and say it's significant. Why can't I be a lifelong Marvel fan who's saddened and appalled by the accusations? Why does Marvel fandom mean I HAVE to assume Stan Lee's innocence? How does this dovetail with other contemporary societal issues of our day -- MeToo, Cosby, etc.? And so on. I've always tried hard to separate the art and the artist, which seems to confound a lot of people. What do you think? Marvel fandom doesn’t mean you have to assume he’s innocent. That’d be stupid. I personally don’t think he’s innocent. But that’s not something that makes me happy or sad (I don’t really care, I’ve never read any of his comics, I’m not a fan). If you’d be saddened and appalled by some piece of news you wouldn’t like said piece of news. Well, now we're getting into the semantics of social media. Innit? How apt is "liking" as a means of selection? I essentially just "upvote" what I find is an interesting or worthwhile contribution to the board/sub at hand. Stan Lee's a huge name in comics, ergo that's a major story worth posting; thus, an upvote for that. It's like: if your friend posted, "Rest in peace, Spot. You were my best friend," and you "like" that, you're not GLAD THE DOG IS DEAD. But what does one click? The "like" button. You know? |
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Post by sostie on Apr 25, 2018 0:00:34 GMT
You’re such a sad little man(child). I’m sure if DC fanboys had done those things you wouldn’t be condemning them so hard. You’re just another rabid anti-MCU fanboy who gets off on MCU fans doing horrible things because it makes MCU/MCU fans look bad. I do agree that the MCU fanboys on this site are probably the worst fanboys on this site, but that’s just one site. The Internet is huge, there are fans of other CBM franchises who have done things just as horrible as any of those MCU fanboys did, just not on this site. Oh and about DC-Fan’s thread, why do you keep defending him? You don’t need to reply, I know it’s because he’s an anti-MCU fanboy just like you. Hardcore fanboys like you will defend anyone who shares the same interests or opinions no matter how contemptible they are. Even if DC-Fan didn’t outright say “All MCU fans are pedophiles” in his thread, he clearly implied it. Only someone blinded by their hatred of a CBM franchise would say otherwise. The only reason why I took a screenshot of his thread is because I knew the coward would delete it. 3. It's clear that all of Tristan Incarnate's observarions are correct, and he said "either," not "all." 4. Even if he'd said "all," it was clearly a lame attempt at humor as was explained to you earlier today by Power Ranger . I really doubt this is the case. The post in question was discussed and criticised in the thread it appeared. So why the need to post two threads, one on the Film General board and one on the Sports boards with the heading "WARNING! Don't let MCU fans near your kids! " calling out MCU Fans and not the person responsible (who from what I recall, I didn't recognise as a regular on the Marvel board). There wasn't any intended humour, just another of his regular pot shots at Marvel and it's fans. And it wasn't exactly a case of "either" not "all". It was either a paedophile or a (actual) child There are/were some assholes on the Marvel Board (and I guess some might consider me one, who knows), but it seems the worst are gone (and won't be missed, I rarely interacted directly with a lot of them), and the doxing of DC-Fan was despicable and a step too far, but the situation in the MCU board isn't helped by posts and visits by people who have no interest or liking for the films and appear to just want to antagonise, argue or criticise. If there are a few that do something despicable or disagreeable it's attributed to "MCU Fans"..the whole fandom (a particular favourite ploy of DC-Fan) You Colden, I think I get. But Tristan seems to have got worse over the last year and Jedan Archer seems to appear now and then like his minion/sidekick (it's how it seems to me...not saying he is or it's intentional), plus some from the X-Men boards. It does contribute a little to it getting confrontational and off topic over there. Back on topic...Michael Jackson fans..there are some real psychos in that fanbase. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Apr 25, 2018 0:00:36 GMT
Marvel fandom doesn’t mean you have to assume he’s innocent. That’d be stupid. I personally don’t think he’s innocent. But that’s not something that makes me happy or sad (I don’t really care, I’ve never read any of his comics, I’m not a fan). If you’d be saddened and appalled by some piece of news you wouldn’t like said piece of news. It's like: if your friend posted, "Rest in peace, Spot. You were my best friend," and you "like" that, you're not GLAD THE DOG IS DEAD. But what does one click? The "like" button. You know? That’s not the same thing, but honestly it’s ok, I don’t really give a fuck anymore. Bye.  |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 25, 2018 0:06:26 GMT
It's like: if your friend posted, "Rest in peace, Spot. You were my best friend," and you "like" that, you're not GLAD THE DOG IS DEAD. But what does one click? The "like" button. You know? That’s not the same thing, but honestly it’s ok, I don’t really give a fuck anymore. Bye. So: fanboy pissing contest = good; the slightest hint of actual discourse = bad. Noted. I'll remember to take you less seriously going forward. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Apr 25, 2018 0:11:44 GMT
That’s not the same thing, but honestly it’s ok, I don’t really give a fuck anymore. Bye. So: fanboy pissing contest = good; the slightest hint of actual discourse = bad. Noted. I'll remember to take you less seriously going forward. Ok do you want me to say your analogy is stupid then? Clicking “like” on “R.I.P.” post is basically agreeing with the “R.I.P” which makes sense. Clicking “like” on “person accused of raping other person” is basically liking the fact that the person was accused of raping other person which makes no sense. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 25, 2018 0:13:50 GMT
3. It's clear that all of Tristan Incarnate's observarions are correct, and he said "either," not "all." 4. Even if he'd said "all," it was clearly a lame attempt at humor as was explained to you earlier today by Power Ranger . I really doubt this is the case. The post in question was discussed and criticised in the thread it appeared. So why the need to post two threads, one on the Film General board and one on the Sports boards with the heading "WARNING! Don't let MCU fans near your kids! " calling out MCU Fans and not the person responsible (who from what I recall, I didn't recognise as a regular on the Marvel board). There wasn't any intended humour, just another of his regular pot shots at Marvel and it's fans. And it wasn't exactly a case of "either" not "all". It was either a paedophile or a (actual) child There are/were some assholes on the Marvel Board (and I guess some might consider me one, who knows), but it seems the worst are gone (and won't be missed, I rarely interacted directly with a lot of them), and the doxing of DC-Fan was despicable and a step too far, but the situation in the MCU board isn't helped by posts and visits by people who have no interest or liking for the films and appear to just want to antagonise, argue or criticise. If there are a few that do something despicable or disagreeable it's attributed to "MCU Fans"..the whole fandom (a particular favourite ploy of DC-Fan) You Colden, I think I get. But Tristan seems to have got worse over the last year and Jedan Archer seems to appear now and then like his minion/sidekick (it's how it seems to me...not saying he is or it's intentional), plus some from the X-Men boards. It does contribute a little to it getting confrontational and off topic over there. Back on topic...Michael Jackson fans..there are some real psychos in that fanbase. Michael Jackson is THE example that came to mind when Nicko was talking about Stan Lee. I love his music and don't really give a shit about the personal life stuff despite finding it morbidly interesting in his case. On the other hand, many hardcore Jacko fans are batshit. It's like how I'll find myself going down these weird internet rabbit holes while reading about Disney Star Wars and sometimes find myself reading a thread on some strange board that, like, to my surprise and disgust winds up blaming the failures of the new movies on the Jews, the color of Finn's skin, or Daisy Ridley being a woman instead of terrible actress and an even worse character. That's when I know I've waded too far into Nutjob Land. And I'm like, "Why are my intellectual compatriots alt-right lunatics, racists, and NASCAR fans?!" It's moments like that where even I'm like, "Am I on the wrong side of this debate?!" Then I think about any given scene from TFA, and I'm like, "Nah!" |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 25, 2018 0:16:19 GMT
So: fanboy pissing contest = good; the slightest hint of actual discourse = bad. Noted. I'll remember to take you less seriously going forward. Ok do you want me to say your analogy is stupid then? Clicking “like” on “R.I.P.” post is basically agreeing with the “R.I.P” which makes sense. Clicking “like” on “person accused of raping other person” is basically liking the fact that the person was accused of raping other person which makes no sense. It doesn't mean I LIKE that some woman was raped or even that Stan Lee was accused of it. Stop searching so hard for reasons to be outraged. There's enough real shit going on to be pissed about. Good grief. It wasn't an analogy for you AGREE OR DISAGREE with. It was me explaining my rationale to you and disabusing you of your misunderstanding, which you completely ignored not once, but twice just for the sake of being disagreeable and wasting both of our time. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 25, 2018 13:03:35 GMT
spare me your vapid deflections, you got nothing in view of the facts and examples listed.
No other fandom here needs moderation. No other fandom conspires to engage in morally corrupt to criminal practises on such a regular basis in an effort to soil, bully and troll other franchises and their fans. Or has its fanboys constantly banned even though the Admin here desperately tries to keep members for traffic purposes.
In fact I have never seen anything remotely close to that, not with Nolan-ites, not with Potters, not with Star Wars fans - it's shocking, it's disgusting, it's real.
You’re such a sad little man(child). Ad hominem I’m sure if DC fanboys had done those things you wouldn’t be condemning them so hard. Straw Man Speculation & Defamation You’re just another rabid anti-MCU fanboy who gets off on MCU fans doing horrible things because it makes MCU/MCU fans look bad. As beforeI do agree that the MCU fanboys on this site are probably the worst fanboys on this site, Lucidum Intervallum but that’s just one site. Relativation without facts presented The Internet is huge, there are fans of other CBM franchises who have done things just as horrible as any of those MCU fanboys did, just not on this site. Tu Quoque DefenseOh and about DC-Fan’s thread, why do you keep defending him? You don’t need to reply, Loaded/rhetorical question leading into.. I know it’s because he’s an anti-MCU fanboy just like you. ...Staw man Defamation Hardcore fanboys like you will defend anyone who shares the same interests or opinions no matter how contemptible they are. Tu Quoque Deflection/ Shift blame without factual basis/ Defamation Even if DC-Fan didn’t outright say “All MCU fans are pedophiles” in his thread, he clearly implied it. Deflection by discussing another (lost) straw man defamation argument Only someone blinded by their hatred of a CBM franchise would say otherwise. Argumentum Ad Absurdum - Inability to distinguish False Dilemma from Abolute resulting in Straw Man The only reason why I took a screenshot of his thread is because I knew the coward would delete it. Peeping Tom defense ^ May the fallacy be with you. |
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