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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 22, 2019 0:05:13 GMT
Nope, you're still wrong. Either the Avengers traveled back to the past in the original timeline or an alternate timeline. If they traveled back to the past in an alternate timeline (which is unlikely because they wouldn't know if the stones even existed in an alternate timeline and even if the stones did exist, they wouldn't know if the stones can be found in the same location as the original timeline), then none of the 3 and 1/2 billion people snapped out in the original timeline were brought back so the Avengers FAILED. If they traveled back to the past in the original timeline to retrieve the stones, then Steve Rogers also had to travel back to the original timeline to return the stones. And in doing so, Steve Rogers hooked up with Peggy Carter in the original timeline and effectively erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever. I mean seriously your argument is the Avengers couldn't do it so they failed even though we seem them succeed in the movie
Either the Avengers succeeded in an alternate timeline (which means the Avengers FAILED in the original timeline to bring back the 3 and 1/2 billion people from the original timeline) or the Avengers succeeded in the original timeline (which means Steve Rogers had to travel back to the past in the original timeline to return the stones and in the process of returning the stones in the original timeline, Steve Rogers being the selfish asshole that he is hooked up with Peggy Carter in the original timeline and permanently erased Peggy Carter's children in the original timeline from history forever. You can't have it both ways. Either 3 and 1/2 billion people remain snapped out in the original timeline OR Steve Rogers permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever in the original timeline.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 21, 2019 16:39:28 GMT
Nope, you're wrong again. If traveling to the past creates an alternate timeline leaving the original timeline unaffected, then the Avengers traveling to the past to retrieve the stones also has to create an alternate timeline leaving the original timeline unaffected, which means that the 3 and 1/2 billion people snapped out in the original timeline are still snapped out and the Avengers FAILED to bring any of them back. So like I said, you can't have it both ways. Either: 1. An alternate timeline is created, which means the Avengers FAILED to bring back any of the 3 and 1/2 billion people snapped out in the original timeline OR 2. It's the same timeline and thus Steve Rogers permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Uh, no. You should probably have thought this completely through before hitching your wagon to another failed argument, cupcake. You're just embarrassing yourself at this point. After traveling to the past to retrieve the stones (and creating temporary alternate timelines in doing so), the Avengers returned to the present day of the original timeline and performed a "counter-snap", thus bringing back everyone who had disappeared a few years before. They never changed the past of the original timeline. When Steve Rogers returned to the past to be with Peggy Carter, he created an alternate timeline and remained in that alternate timeline with Peggy Carter 2. He never changed the past of the original timeline. In both instances, the original timeline was unaffected by the time traveling. Peggy Carter 1 still had children with another guy and the snap still occurred. Nothing you have said is correct. Clearly, all this time travel talk is way above your pay grade. I'll add it to the list. Nope, you're still wrong. Either the Avengers traveled back to the past in the original timeline or an alternate timeline. If they traveled back to the past in an alternate timeline (which is unlikely because they wouldn't know if the stones even existed in an alternate timeline and even if the stones did exist, they wouldn't know if the stones can be found in the same location as the original timeline), then none of the 3 and 1/2 billion people snapped out in the original timeline were brought back so the Avengers FAILED. If they traveled back to the past in the original timeline to retrieve the stones, then Steve Rogers also had to travel back to the original timeline to return the stones. And in doing so, Steve Rogers hooked up with Peggy Carter in the original timeline and effectively erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 21, 2019 5:58:04 GMT
Week 16
Saturday December 21st
1:00pm EST
Houston @ Tampa Bay
4:30pm
Buffalo @ New England
8:15pm
LA Rams @ San Francisco
Sunday December 22nd
1:00pm
Jacksonville @ Atlanta
Baltimore @ Cleveland
Carolina @ Indianapolis
Cincinnati @ Miami
Pittsburgh @ NY Jets
New Orleans @ Tennessee
NY Giants @ Washington
4:05pm
Detroit @ Denver
Oakland @ LA Chargers
4:25pm
Dallas @ Philadelphia
Arizona @ Seattle
8:20pm
Kansas City @ Chicago
Monday December 23rd
8:15pm
Green Bay @ Minnesota
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 21, 2019 3:14:34 GMT
Avatar's BO is immensely bloated due to the 3D & I-Max screenings, of which cost 2-3x more than normal tickets And Engame's BO is immensely bloated due to inflation. When adjusted for inflation, Avatar's BO still beats Endgame's BO.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 21, 2019 2:59:30 GMT
So that confirms 100% that Peggy Carter did have children with another man after Steve Rogers was frozen in ice. And because Steve Rogers was such a selfish asshole and used time travel to change history for his personal benefit, Peggy Carter's children have been permanently erased from history forever. Can you really blame him, though? Yes, we can and should blame him. Look at how Thor handled his time travel. It was extremely difficult for Thor knowing that his mother was going to die that day and he couldn't warn her. But Steve Rogers was a selfish asshole and used time travel for his own personal benefit without considering the consequences to the innocent lives that he was permanently erasing from history.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 21, 2019 2:53:28 GMT
Nope, Steve Rogers didn't travel back to an alternate timeline. Steve Rogers traveled back to the past in his original timeline and effectively erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Steve Rogers traveled to the past of his original timeline and by doing so created an alternate, parallel, timeline with an alternate Peggy Carter. Call her Peggy Carter 2. It is in that timeline where he lived out his life with Peggy Carter 2. Peggy Carter 1 and her children in the original timeline were unaffected, due to the movie's time travel rule that you can not alter the past of a particular timeline. So, you are 100% wrong. Again. Nope, you're wrong again. If traveling to the past creates an alternate timeline leaving the original timeline unaffected, then the Avengers traveling to the past to retrieve the stones also has to create an alternate timeline leaving the original timeline unaffected, which means that the 3 and 1/2 billion people snapped out in the original timeline are still snapped out and the Avengers FAILED to bring any of them back. So like I said, you can't have it both ways. Either: 1. An alternate timeline is created, which means the Avengers FAILED to bring back any of the 3 and 1/2 billion people snapped out in the original timeline OR 2. It's the same timeline and thus Steve Rogers permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 20, 2019 3:55:52 GMT
Nope Steve Rogers didn't travel to an alternate timeline. Steve Rogers traveled back to the past in his original timeline and effectively erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Peggy Carter's children not only don't exist in the original timeline, they will never even be born in the original timeline because Steve Rogers erased them from history forever. The "Steve Rogers hooked up with the Peggy Carter from an alternate timeline" excuse is a weak and invalid excuse. Because when the Avengers traveled back to the past, they didn't travel to an alternate timeline in which Thanos never existed or Thanos never snapped out half the universe. The Avengers traveled back to the past in their original timeline in which Thanos snapped out half the universe. Because if the Avengers had traveled back to the past in an alternate timeline, then that means the 3 and 1/2 billion people that Thanos snapped out in the original timeline are still snapped out and the Avenges retrieving the stones and defeating Thanos doesn't back those 3 and 1/3 billion people. The Avengers had to travel back to the past in their original timeline in order to undo Thanos' snap and bring back those 3 and 1/2 billion people from their original timeline. And since the Avengers traveled back to the past in their original timeline to retrieve the stones from their original timeline, that means Steve Rogers also has to travel back to the past in the original timeline to return the stones. And that also means that Steve Rogers hooked up with the Peggy Carter from the original timeline. So Steve Rogers did indeed erase Peggy Carter's children in the original timeline from history forever. Basically, you can't have it both ways. Either: 1) Steve Rogers traveled back to the past in an alternate timeline to hook up with Peggy Carter, which means that the 3 and 1/2 billion people in the original timeline were still snapped out and the Avengers failed to bring those 3 and 1/2 billion people back OR 2) Steve Rogers traveled to back to the past in the original timeline to hook up with Peggy Carter, which means that Steve Rogers erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever. They did not bring the people back in the past, they grabbed the stones from those alternative timelines and brought them to their current timeline and then wished the people back there
1st, they have no way of knowing if the stones even exist in an alternate timeline. 2nd, even if the stones existed in an alternate timeline, they have no way of knowing that all 6 stones in the alternate timeline can be found in the same location as their own timeline. So they had to go to the past in their own timeline, not an alternate timeline, to get the stones. That means Steve Rogers had to go to the past in the original timeline to return the stones. And that also means Steve Rogers hooked up with the Peggy Carter from the original timeline and thus effectively erased Peggy Carter's children in the original timeline from history forever.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 20, 2019 2:30:04 GMT
After Reddington tells Elizabeth that the woman who he was looking for was killed, Elizabeth gets a call and finds out that Katarina faked her death. Elizabeth agrees to not tell anyone that Katarina is still alive.
Why is Elizabeth still protecting Katarina and allowing her to go on with her plan. Did Elizabeth so quickly forget that Katarina's plan included the killing of 2 FBI agents?
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 20, 2019 2:17:56 GMT
So that confirms 100% that Peggy Carter did have children with another man after Steve Rogers was frozen in ice. And because Steve Rogers was such a selfish asshole and used time travel to change history for his personal benefit, Peggy Carter's children have been permanently erased from history forever. Steve is basically living out his fantasy with Peggy in an alternate timeline, one of many that exist in the MCU multiverse. No one was erased. She either didn't have children at all in this alternate timeline or she had different children with Steve. It's not that hard to understand. Her children still exist in the original timeline.
Nope Steve Rogers didn't travel to an alternate timeline. Steve Rogers traveled back to the past in his original timeline and effectively erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Peggy Carter's children not only don't exist in the original timeline, they will never even be born in the original timeline because Steve Rogers erased them from history forever. The "Steve Rogers hooked up with the Peggy Carter from an alternate timeline" excuse is a weak and invalid excuse. Because when the Avengers traveled back to the past, they didn't travel to an alternate timeline in which Thanos never existed or Thanos never snapped out half the universe. The Avengers traveled back to the past in their original timeline in which Thanos snapped out half the universe. Because if the Avengers had traveled back to the past in an alternate timeline, then that means the 3 and 1/2 billion people that Thanos snapped out in the original timeline are still snapped out and the Avenges retrieving the stones and defeating Thanos doesn't back those 3 and 1/3 billion people. The Avengers had to travel back to the past in their original timeline in order to undo Thanos' snap and bring back those 3 and 1/2 billion people from their original timeline. And since the Avengers traveled back to the past in their original timeline to retrieve the stones from their original timeline, that means Steve Rogers also has to travel back to the past in the original timeline to return the stones. And that also means that Steve Rogers hooked up with the Peggy Carter from the original timeline. So Steve Rogers did indeed erase Peggy Carter's children in the original timeline from history forever. Basically, you can't have it both ways. Either: 1) Steve Rogers traveled back to the past in an alternate timeline to hook up with Peggy Carter, which means that the 3 and 1/2 billion people in the original timeline were still snapped out and the Avengers failed to bring those 3 and 1/2 billion people back OR 2) Steve Rogers traveled to back to the past in the original timeline to hook up with Peggy Carter, which means that Steve Rogers erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 20, 2019 2:03:43 GMT
Steve Rogers time with her occurred in an alternate timeline with an alternate Peggy Carter. No harm, no foul. Nope, Steve Rogers didn't travel back to an alternate timeline. Steve Rogers traveled back to the past in his original timeline and effectively erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 19, 2019 18:50:40 GMT
Obviously, they couldn't get big stars like Henry Cavill, Michael Keaton, George Clooney, Ben Affleck, Gal Gadot, Jason Mamoa, or Ryan Reynolds to cameo, but they got Tom Welling (Smallville), Burt Ward (Batman), Ashley Scott (Birds of Prey), Cress Williams (Black Lightning) and a couple of Titans to cameo.
Who else should they've gotten? I would've like to see Dean Cain (Lois & Clark), Lynda Carter (Wonder Woman), Helen Slater (Supergirl movie), and Laura Vandervoort (Smallville).
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 19, 2019 18:37:26 GMT
I've only seen The Crown.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 19, 2019 18:30:45 GMT
Clemson
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 19, 2019 18:25:37 GMT
Do we even know that Peggy had kids? Yeah, she says so in the footage shown at the museum in TWS. So that confirms 100% that Peggy Carter did have children with another man after Steve Rogers was frozen in ice. And because Steve Rogers was such a selfish asshole and used time travel to change history for his personal benefit, Peggy Carter's children have been permanently erased from history forever.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 19, 2019 1:20:13 GMT
Yes. While Thor wasn't allowed to change history by warning his mother of her impending death, Steve Rogers (being then selfish asshole that he is) used time travel to change history and take Peggy Carter away from the man she was supposed to marry and thus ensure that Peggy Carter's children with the man she was supposed to marry will never be born. Innocent children permanently erased from history forever because Steve Rogers was a selfish asshole. Well, isn't that what everyone technically does? When a male or female picks a mate they are essentially preventing any other hypothetical children from being born from other mates. We're getting real philosophical here, DC Fan! And there's the big difference! You're talking about "hypothetical" children who never existed. In this case, Peggy Carter supposedly married another man and had children with the man she married. Those were real children with real names who were born and really did exist, until Steve Rogers decided to be a selfish asshole and permanently erase them from ever existing.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 18, 2019 18:13:07 GMT
In addition to all the items above, also: Lot S2: While traveling to the past, the Legends run into past versions of themselves. MCU: While traveling to the past, Cap runs into a past version of himself. Avengers AND GOTG which came out in 2012 and 2014 respectively introduce and establish that there are the Infinity Stones and that Thanos is trying to collect them all years before Legends did a similar storyline in 2016/17?
Let's add some years to the events listed above: 2017: Reverse Flash obtains all 3 parts of the Spear of Destiny and uses it to rewrite reality. 2018: Thanos obtains all 6 Infinity stones and uses it to erase half of the universe. 2017: Reverse Flash makes the critical mistake of not killing all the Legends and leaving them alive. 2018: Thanos makes the critical mistake of not killing all the Avengers and leaving them alive. 2017: The Legends travel to the past to try to prevent Reverse-Flash from getting the spear and rewriting reality. 2019: The Avengers travel to the past to try to prevent Thanos from getting the stones. 2017: Reverse-Flash finds out about the Legends' plan and gets hold of the Spear of Destiny once again. 2019: Thanos finds out about the Avengers' plan and gets hold of the Infinity Stones once again. 2017: Having obtained the Spear of Destiny once again, Reverse-Flash decides to correct his earlier mistake by erasing the Legends from history completely. 2019: Having obtained the Infinity Stones once again, Thanos decides to correct his earlier mistake by snapping out the rest of the Avengers. 2017: Reverse-Flash's attempt to erase the Legends from history completely fails as Reverse-Flash finds out that Sarah had made the spear powerless when she briefly held the spear. 2019: Thanos' attempt to snap out the rest of the Avengers fails as Thanos finds out that Iron Man has taken the stones. 2017: Black Flash catches Reverse-Flash and stabs him. Reverse-Flash disintegrates piece by piece into nothingness. 2019: Iron Man snaps his finger with the Infinity stones. Thanos disintegrates piece by piece into nothingness. 2017: While traveling to the past, the Legends run into past versions of themselves. 2019: While traveling to the past, Cap runs into a past version of himself. 2017: During a trip to the past, Nate meets his late grandfather Hank. 2019: During a trip to the past, Tony meets his late father Howard. Yep, it definitely looks like MCU ripped off Legends of Tomorrow.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 18, 2019 18:00:51 GMT
Agreed. Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne were bums. Did Harrison and Wayne make the NFL 100 All-time team like Gronkowski and Moss?
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 18, 2019 5:30:28 GMT
Yes. While Thor wasn't allowed to change history by warning his mother of her impending death, Steve Rogers (being then selfish asshole that he is) used time travel to change history and take Peggy Carter away from the man she was supposed to marry and thus ensure that Peggy Carter's children with the man she was supposed to marry will never be born. Innocent children permanently erased from history forever because Steve Rogers was a selfish asshole.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 18, 2019 5:26:09 GMT
Manning While their numbers may be similar with Brees breaking Manning's records there is one record that he won't break and that's the most MVP awards which as stated above is 5. Brees has a whopping 0. Agreed. I'd pick Manning too. Not just the 5 MVPs. Manning went to 4 Super Bowls with 2 different franchises and 4 different head coaches. That's just incredible. While other QBs play in the same system for most or all of their careers, Manning has had to adapt to different franchises, different head coaches, and different offenses throughout his career and still went to all those Super Bowls. And unlike Brady, who had 2 players on the NFL 100 All-time team (Gronkowski and Moss) to throw to, Manning never had an NFL 100 All-time receiver to throw to.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 18, 2019 5:24:54 GMT
Five MVPs. Five. Yeah, it’s Peyton. Yeah, it's Manning. Not just the 5 MVPs. Manning went to 4 Super Bowls with 2 different franchises and 4 different head coaches. That's just incredible. While other QBs play in the same system for most or all of their careers, Manning has had to adapt to different franchises, different head coaches, and different offenses throughout his career and still went to all those Super Bowls. And unlike Brady, who had 2 players on the NFL 100 All-time team (Gronkowski and Moss) to throw to, Manning never had an NFL 100 All-time receiver to throw to.
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