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Post by blade on May 10, 2017 23:57:55 GMT
He pretty much said women should be ashamed of giving birth and subjecting the child to life.  Wow. Just, wow. What? |
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Post by blade on May 10, 2017 23:56:24 GMT
Giving birth imposes unnecessary risks, hazards and responsibilities on a sentient being that has not given consent, with the justification that the imposer/bestower believes that there are likely to be benefits which would make the risks worthwhile (in the estimation of the person who is imposing life). That would be considered morally wrong in any other context, and I don't think that birth should be any different just because we cannot request consent from the foetus.
Ideally, women should take precautions to avoid becoming impregnated. However, in the event that a pregnancy does occur, then the most ethical course of action would be to terminate the pregnancy.
I will never understand your view of the world Mic. I'm not sure I want to either. That happens frequently with atheists/non christians, they think nothing of killing the young. |
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Post by blade on May 10, 2017 23:42:35 GMT
So let me see if I understand you, are you saying that giving birth is wrong and should be frowned upon but having an abortion should be applauded? He pretty much said women should be ashamed of giving birth and subjecting the child to life. |
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Post by blade on May 10, 2017 23:23:00 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silent_Scream"Many members of the medical community were critical of the film, describing it as misleading and deceptive. Richard Berkowitz, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Mount Sinai Medical Center, described the film as "factually misleading and unfair".[4] John Hobbins of the Yale School of Medicine called the film's use of special effects deceptive, a form of "technical flimflam." He pointed out that the film of the ultrasound is initially run at slow speed, but that it is sped up when surgical instruments are introduced to give the impression that "the fetus is thrashing about in alarm." Hobbins questioned the titular "scream", noting that "the fetus spends lots of time with its mouth open", that the "scream" may have been a yawn, and also that "mouth" identified on the blurry ultrasound in the film may in fact have been the space between the fetal chin and chest.[4] Edward Myer, chairman of pediatrics at the University of Virginia stated that, at twelve weeks, the brain is not sufficiently developed for a fetus to be able to feel pain.[8] Similarly, Hart Peterson, chairman of pediatric neurology at the New York Hospital, stated that the "notion that a 12-week-old fetus is in discomfort is erroneous."[8] Fetal development experts argued that, contrary to Nathanson's assertion in the film, a fetus cannot perceive danger or make purposeful movements. David Bodian, a neurobiologist at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, stated that doctors had no evidence that a twelve-week-old fetus could feel pain, but noted the possibility of a reflex movement by a fetus in response to external stimuli such as surgical instruments. The size of the ultrasound image and of the fetus model used was also misleading, appearing to show a fetus the size of a full-term baby, while in actuality a twelve-week-old fetus is under two inches long.[4] Jennifer Niebyl of the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine said that what Nathanson described as the fetus recoiling from pain and seeking to escape is "strictly reflex activity" which Nathason made look purposeful by speeding up the film as the suction catheter was placed.[12] Fay Redwine of the VCU Medical Center stated "Any of us could show you the same image in a fetus who is not being aborted.""
"The Silent Scream has been credited with winning "many converts to the pro life cause" by its graphic scenes that shocked many viewers. The film helped "to shift the public focus from the horror stories of women who had suffered back-alley abortions to the horror movie of a fetus undergoing one." The film has been very important for the pro life movement and is widely available..." Nicely done Clusium.  |
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Post by blade on May 10, 2017 21:16:57 GMT
Words of wisdom. That's why you're so respected on this board, no doubt. Woof! Man, that subtle implication that women are ethically bound to bring a rapist's baby to term. That's some classy stuff, right there. Why thank you my good man.  |
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Post by blade on May 10, 2017 20:41:30 GMT
"Yes, why dont we kill this baby in the womb, that will teach that bad man who raped the mother"  Too bad Ada's gone, I wasn't which sure which one was stupider. I guess you win by default now. Went right over your head. Well done. |
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Post by blade on May 10, 2017 20:32:43 GMT
Two wrongs dont make a right. Words of wisdom. That's why you're so respected on this board, no doubt. "Yes, why dont we kill this baby in the womb, that will teach that bad man who raped the mother" |
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Post by blade on May 10, 2017 20:26:59 GMT
@miccee Exactly. Why take the chance that everything will turn out OK like it usually does when you can just kill the mistake for unprotected sex? Or you know an unwanted pregnancy from rape Two wrongs dont make a right. |
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Post by blade on May 10, 2017 20:05:43 GMT
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Post by blade on May 10, 2017 17:57:22 GMT
It doesn't deprive in the sense that there will be any feeling of having been deprived. You have to notice the absence of something in order to feel deprived of it. Which isn't true from a Christian perspective. |
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Post by blade on May 10, 2017 17:49:21 GMT
@miccee Exactly. Why take the chance that everything will turn out OK like it usually does when you can just kill the mistake for unprotected sex? It's best to take precautions against getting pregnant to begin with, but in the event of getting pregnant, an abortion does not deprive the foetus of life (it will never know that it was aborted and will never know of what the possibilities might have been had it not been aborted), but spares a potential human the risks and hazards that it did not consent to as the price of being born. In any other sphere of life, we would find it unacceptable for others to unilaterally take dangerous risks on behalf of someone else who has not given, or cannot give consent. I do not see why it should be any different in the case of producing new life. And whilst any individual foetus/potential person might have a favourable chance of a future with more good than bad (if they're fortunate enough to be born in a wealthy nation), the act of perpetuating the cycle of reproduction ensures that there will always be those who will be forced, against their will, to pay the high price of this game.  |
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Post by blade on May 10, 2017 0:11:46 GMT
Just state your point or dont bother responding to me. I already did. Try reading it again, sounding the words out loud. It may help. Just as I thought. You are once again trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Plus you didnt have a point you were just stating the obvious. |
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Post by blade on May 10, 2017 0:05:56 GMT
Do you lack reading comprehension? Just state your point or dont bother responding to me. |
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Post by blade on May 9, 2017 23:10:04 GMT
If a man thinking he's a woman doesnt classify as mental illness then mental illness doesnt exist. Good job there's nobody around like that, then. ? What's your point? |
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Post by blade on May 9, 2017 21:52:05 GMT
Have scientists declared it a mental illness? If a man thinking he's a woman doesnt classify as mental illness then mental illness doesnt exist. |
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Post by blade on May 9, 2017 19:41:12 GMT
Indeed.  Nice when even the anti-trans nutters catch up with reality. It's amazing that even when you agree with me you try and make it seem like it was for some other reason. |
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Post by blade on May 9, 2017 18:55:12 GMT
Well, yes. We did. Which makes me wonder why people are making a deal about it as if it altered anything. Indeed. |
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Post by blade on May 9, 2017 18:35:42 GMT
I think the fail here is you not understanding the subject you are trying to orate about Maybe Erjen could give you Ada's email? Yes? Hint: if you need someone to argue with it isn't going to be me. I wont take Ada's place for you. |
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Post by blade on May 9, 2017 17:38:31 GMT
this thread is highly amusing Watch out you're going to send SuperCreepyDude into another fit of rage. The coward never could answer any of my questions.  |
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Post by blade on May 8, 2017 22:33:19 GMT
Were you born an idiot or does it just come naturally? Or do I really need to explain that I never claimed anything. I copied part of the title of the article. Someone retarded enough to actually believe that the earth is FLAT in 2017 is hardly in a position to be calling someone else an "idiot". As such, you can "explain" whatever you want to if you think that will help you salvage your already despicable personality to anyone here. But your explanation will only make your point look even more ridiculous (since you are clearly endorsing the position). It also makes you look like a liar since you HAVE in fact made similar claims in the past by using the terms "gay agenda" or "liberal agenda" (equally meaningless conservative buzzwords designed to elicit FEAR about something they don't like). Since the conservatives who use such terms (whether it be YOU or the authors of this article) are utterly incapable of defining, describing, or explaining these so-called "agendas", that seems to lend further credence to the notion that they are just made up buzzwords with no real substance. But knew this anyway didn't we! Now, you dont even know who you're talking to ?? I have never claimed the earth is flat. |
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