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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 26, 2019 11:11:03 GMT
1. Star Wars (Lucas)
2. Star Trek (shows)
3. Game of Thrones (sans 7,8)
4. DC (the mature stuff like Watchmen, Joker, WW, Batman etc)
5 Apes (the only franchise which had 3 good movies recently)
I do not see Godfather and such as franchises, or they would rank high.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 24, 2019 21:57:51 GMT
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 24, 2019 21:51:13 GMT
The sequel trilogy is underwhelming and it all started with Abrams and his version of A New Hope. The Last Jedi I enjoyed bar certain obvious elements. The third was ok, a messy film. You can partially blame Rian but you may as well blame Abrams too for just leaving after ep 7... Sorry. Everyone knows ANH was far from original He was making something to harken back to the films he remembered loving in his youth. The old serials & such.  Lucas studied philosophy, mythology and religion and created his pulpy Star Wars universe out of it. JJ Abrams studied Lucas and rehashed him.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 24, 2019 21:43:40 GMT
that is a daunting task. It would be easier to list things that are written well.
I found the female gay kissing strangely arousing, I cannot explain why.
But then I found it utterly offensive that that the hobbit actor in the very same scene hugged and kissed the giant Space Penis Alien. That was too much, nobody is thinking of the children anymore.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 24, 2019 21:31:33 GMT
Yes, probably. Then again I am profoundly relieved that they did not touch the iconic Darth Plagueis lore.
The opera scene is arguably the best acted and written scene in the entire franchise, on par with Order 66 or the I'm your father reveal.
The lazy misappropriation of Palpatine's "the dark side of the force is a pathway to may abilities some consider to be unnatural" mantra should be sacrilege enough. Until here, no farther, Disney!
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 23, 2019 19:01:18 GMT
 no just no. Not JJ " Now, I have become the destroyer of franchise" Abrams please. He's a lenseflare obsessed hack. Abrams is the one who ruined this trilogy (like with Star Trek) with the unoriginal and uncreative rehash Force Awakens. This abomination inter alia made Luke a failure running away, hiding and pouting instead of cleaning up the mess he left, regressed Han Solo into Adult Diapers Smuggler-Han and destroyed all achievements of the OT and PT like defeating the Empire or bringing balance. An abysmal script full of lazy mystery boxes, fanfic-level writing and logic holes. R Oppenheimer could not have caused more damage to the franchise when directing.The question of worthwile Star Wars is not the director but the following: 1. The vision: A story with a definded ending. 2. A solid executive and finance plan 3. A good script, a good script and a good script 4. Time and talent to develop art design and music 5. Execution See that's thing, in TFA it's implied that Luke left a map in R2 so that people could look for him but that doesn't make any sense considering that Luke apparently was done with the Jedi according to the TLJ. So maybe JJ would come up with a better reason to why Luke was in search of the First Jedi Temple instead of the one Rian Johnson came up. TFA's plot was so dumb I doubt that there is a reasonable answer to its mystery box mess (cf Lost). Lets see: - Luke after letting the Jedi order being destroyed (again by a young apprentice seduced by a dark lord) does not try to clean house, eg by destroying Snoke and winning his apprentice back? He instead vanishes on a remote island for years looking sadly and idly onto the sea, and "in the meantime" (crawl) lets the Empire rise again while his family fight the mess he left? - But still he leaves pieces of a "map" behind for a fetch quest game...? (lol, in space they use coordinates, maps are less practical unless on 2d planes, but I guess nobody ever told JJ how space works) Try to put that together reasonably. The only semi-sensible way to construe that would be that the map was not left behind intentionally by Luke, but a data mcguffin useful for finding him. Still totally out of Luke's character. Johnson just shat out what JJ produced in his mystery box outhouse.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 23, 2019 16:16:31 GMT
no just no. Not JJ " Now, I have become the destroyer of franchise" Abrams please. He's a lenseflare obsessed hack. Abrams is the one who ruined this trilogy (like with Star Trek) with the unoriginal and uncreative rehash Force Awakens. This abomination inter alia made Luke a failure running away, hiding and pouting instead of cleaning up the mess he left, regressed Han Solo into Adult Diapers Smuggler-Han and destroyed all achievements of the OT and PT like defeating the Empire or bringing balance. An abysmal script full of lazy mystery boxes, fanfic-level writing and logic holes. R Oppenheimer could not have caused more damage to the franchise when directing.The question of worthwile Star Wars is not the director but the following: 1. The vision: A story with a definded ending. 2. A solid executive and finance plan 3. A good script, a good script and a good script 4. Time and talent to develop art design and music 5. Execution |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 23, 2019 8:09:54 GMT
lol, maybe he got gender fluid like Disney-Pando. I don't mind about his outer appearance, but what made me cringe was how come one of the best written villains who defeated all his enemies comes up with such an abysmally stupid endgame. Palps became a Marvel villain. The fact that he came back at all was fucking stupid. they are now paying the price for their lack of vision. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 22, 2019 22:12:24 GMT
Let me get this straight, JJ made Poe a former spice smuggler? Because the Han comparisons weren't strong enough? It sounds like not only does this movie render TLJ pointless, but also a lot of its own plot threads. They spend half the movie looking for this Sith GPS, then Kylo destroys it and she finds Palps with a different one? Palps needs to possess Rey, but then doesn't because "Rey and Kylo being in the same room is good enough for me to just be my old self"? How many drafts did this script go through? The Rey/Palpatine battle sounds kinda cool, but also like a couple of the Harry Potter/Voldemort battles. its much worse, this script is a cornucopia of convoluted plot writing. - Poes added background also contradicts his canon comics background with parents in the resistance. - There are conveniently two Sith GPS indeed. Also the new droid DO (voiced by JJ) even more conveniently knows the way to Palps too so to ensure that in the end literally the entire galaxy finds Palpatine when necessary. Lets not even get started on the Sith dagger, the dumbest Mc Guffin in film history. - Palps brilliant plan is as follows: first he wants Rey dead and sends assassins. Then in Act 3 Palps wants Rey to to kill him so that he can force possess her as empress Palpatine (real quote). But then he changes his mind again and really wants to force-vampire suck the essence out of the Force Dyade lovers (Reylo) to become Super-Palpatine (which he does). - The Rey - Palpatine fight was rather anticlimactic and unimaginative, people say they ripped off the Endgame fight, which I forgot about it; thank goodness there is no cringeworthy girl-power-unite sequence though. But you get a lot of Reylo magic instead if that is your thing.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 22, 2019 21:40:54 GMT
There never was a boykott, not even with Solo, just apathy and fan frustrations. USD 175M will do fine (or won't they?). But those numbers are sigificantly below projections and below the numbers TFA and even TLJ (approx 17%) made, the second chapters (Empire and Clones) made historically less than their trilogy finales and first episodes. Also, TROS got a cinema score of only B+ (the worst so far; corroborated by ratings on sites like Imdb, MC - RT is another story) which might indicate that audience word of mouth is not that great - which may lead to a major drop second weekend. If it's true that this film requires USD 1B to break even (high budget, reshoots, marketing&promotion), this may become an rough uphill battle to break even and, like with the reviews, might become a mixed success for the final saga installment.   |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 22, 2019 19:25:21 GMT
This film borderline depressed me. It is a poorly written and executed mess without substance, imagination or originality. It also gleefully pissed on the Lucas saga and on Last Jedi. What a pitiful and sorry conclusion of a 42 year old saga.
I told you you would love it. I sometimes envy you.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 22, 2019 18:54:03 GMT
lol, maybe he got gender fluid like Disney-Pando. I don't mind about his outer appearance, but what made me cringe was how come one of the best written villains who defeated all his enemies comes up with such an abysmally stupid endgame. Palps became a Marvel villain. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 20, 2019 16:32:08 GMT
 it's a nice conspiracy theory, Crepy. Alas, it does not follow from the facts. If at all, the contrary is true: A lot of critics are explicitly pissed that LF caved in to the evil fratboys and undid most everything in TLJ. It's basically a gross kick in the nuts of TLJ fans (and of the OT and PT story line, but who cares about that anyway). The film is classic JJ Abrams: basically a rehash of RotJ (but not as blatant as TFA) with a desperate dose of fan service porn and juvenile humor. No subtext, no message, no fresh ideas - just a rushed plot point hunt for the dumb masses (effects are decent to good). Reylo forever! If you enjoyed Farce Awakens you are in for a treat. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 20, 2019 15:57:23 GMT
Flopping wont't happen with this (regardless of the quality), unless it does not break even (what that here 700M?). Probably more like $900m if TROS has a $250m budget which is the average for the Disney SW films, and a marketing budget similar to TLJ and TFA which is about $185m, and it takes back roughly the same split that is estimated they did from the BO, so we are talking between 45-46%, if it cost any higher, even by not that much more like if it altogether costs $450m then the break even point theatrically is going to be $1b.
It'll make money someway regardless due to home media and stuff like selling it to foreign networks for big money, not to mention merch sales, but yet it needs to make upwards of $1b just to not lose money as a theatrical release.
I would assume that the marketing budget was even higher than with the last two as they have to counter the franchise backlash and fan apathy with special opinion engineering measures; also the actors and other factors got more expensive. 1B breaking point sounds daunting.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 20, 2019 15:01:01 GMT
Didn't Endgame only surpass Avatar unadjusted (for inflation) and even that only with a few millions and by releasing a mock re-release? I remember a lot of mocking for this manipulative move. A similar move made by Cameron a few weeks after Avatar left theatres so they are both utter frauds, the first on the list who did not stoop so low shall be the winner.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 20, 2019 14:43:04 GMT
Didn't Endgame only surpass Avatar unadjusted (for inflation) and even that only with a few millions and by releasing a mock re-release? I remember a lot of mocking for this manipulative move.
Anyway, Endgame managed the impossible: To make Avatar with it's blue cat-smurfs seem like an original movie pushing all sorts of technical boundaries.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 20, 2019 12:51:20 GMT
Lol, I think you are projecting. This is hardly what comes to mind when thinking about this film.
First time I saw Black Swan was on a transatlantic flight with this scene cut out entirely.
I was surprised when I much later bought the Blue ray and found saw this. It's not necessary but it does not impair the quality and message of the movie in the least. Same as GoT was not destroyed by all the random nudity.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 20, 2019 10:48:17 GMT
Flopping wont't happen with this (regardless of the quality), unless it does not break even (what that here 700M?).
I say below USD 1.5B WW: Underperforming as a final trilogy and SAGA installment
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 20, 2019 10:23:43 GMT
No. TROS has only cemented this character's status as embarrassing fanfiction writing, namely as THE textbook "Copycat Sue" in god mode, even beating the original proto-MS from 1974's A Trekkers Tale (who was a parody of bad character writing).
Rey ends up with everything even acquiring the Skywalker name. Unsurprisingly, they have now even cemented the proto-MS's hilarious parody-demise into the fabric Star Wars.
The only question remaining is in which episode the Rey character sports the strongest MS-writing.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 20, 2019 9:53:50 GMT
sorry they are all trash, one man's trash is another man's treasure though.
At gunpoint I would pick
- MI III (it had a decent script and villain, just terrible, rushed direction) and
- Super 8 (it was ok sans the unimaginative resolution) and
- Star Trek: Return of Khan (the first two acts were ok, the last one was so bad it was good again)
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no just no. Not JJ "Now, I have become the destroyer of franchise" Abrams please. He's a lenseflare obsessed hack. 
