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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 21, 2020 18:09:23 GMT
I'm sure "The New Mutants" will reveal more about the fate of the mainstream universe and the place of "Logan". Interesting.
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 21, 2020 17:55:14 GMT
One of the great Marvel movies. Don't let anyone tell you any different. This. |
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 21, 2020 17:35:21 GMT
September 4th sounds great for me.
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 20, 2020 17:11:40 GMT
Anybody is overlooking the importance of "The New Mutants" in the X-Men continuity.
We got a 34 years old Roberto da Costa/Sunspot (Adan Canto) in year 2023 (DOFP). This means that Sunspot will be 18 years old in the mid-2000s or late-2000s. Besides, we also know that Illyana/Magik is the little sister of Colossus, and we already got an adult Piotr/Colossus in 1999/2000.
So "The New Mutants" is placed in the 2000s, I would say 2008 or so.
If there are NO reference to the mutant race going gradually "extinct" or the lack of mutant births since 2004, we can safely assume that "Logan" is an alternate continuity. Hopefully.
"The New Mutants" could be the final milestone in the continuity and the key to understand the fate of the revised timeline better.
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 20, 2020 17:06:11 GMT
Anybody is overlooking the importance of "The New Mutants" in the X-Men continuity.
We got a 34 years old Roberto da Costa/Sunspot (Adan Canto) in year 2023 (DOFP). This means that Sunspot will be 18 years old in the mid-2000s or late-2000s. Besides, we also know that Illyana/Magik is the little sister of Colossus, and we already got an adult Piotr/Colossus in 1999/2000.
So "The New Mutants" is placed in the 2000s, I would say 2008 or so.
If there are NO reference to the mutant race going gradually "extinct" or the lack of mutant births since 2004, we can safely assume that "Logan" is an alternate continuity. Hopefully.
"The New Mutants" could be the final milestone in the continuity and the key to understand the fate of the revised timeline better. |
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 20, 2020 11:18:09 GMT
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 19, 2020 21:20:48 GMT
13 films in 3 main cinematic universes (Mainstream, Deadpool and Logan). It's called creative and visionary film-making and storytelling. Not formulaic and predictable MCU crap, you know. Nope, it's called lazy, directionless, throw whatever sticks to the wall style of "film-making". You're detached from reality. We're all sorry for you, buddy. |
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 19, 2020 14:10:41 GMT
Actually, this was the only time we got the "Blue Strike Force Team/Gold Strike Force Team" type in the X-Men movies. Blue Strike Force Team:Professor X Magneto Storm Wolverine Rogue (in the Rogue Cut) Gold Strike Force Team:Shadowcat Bishop Iceman Colossus Blink Sunspot Warpath This is the best team effort in any marvel film high stakes Emotional depth Good acting little cgi explosions Spectacular VFX, no offence to Video game movies like Endgame Story telling. (Magneto's speech) Overall a good example of how to upgrade a comic film from Fun to Oscar friendly. You nailed it. You truly nailed it. |
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 19, 2020 12:48:46 GMT
Does anyone find this odd that Mystique is the most developed and most fleshed out female character in the history of marvel movies? and I mean all marvel movies made by disney, fox , universal and sony? THIS. In 1999/2000, they took a second-rate mutant female character from the comic books, and turned her into a BIG cinematic superhero icon. She was absolutely fascinating and mysterious in the original trilogy, and then they made her a compelling, complex, fleshed out character in the "BEGINNINGS TRILOGY" (2014-2019). Her story-arc throughout the six movies is ASTONISHING to say the least. The superheroines in the MCU are just eye-candy, formulaic, bland cinematic takes on their respective comic books counterparts. |
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 19, 2020 12:43:22 GMT
Your super-personal opinion. LMAO. Not the general consensus. 12 films in a franchise, set in 8 universes....what a mess. 13 films in 3 main cinematic universes (Mainstream, Deadpool and Logan). It's called creative and visionary film-making and storytelling. Not formulaic and predictable MCU crap, you know. |
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 18, 2020 23:43:41 GMT
Who cares? It's the only entry in the series that's actually good. LMAO. So detached from reality... |
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 18, 2020 18:45:27 GMT
1- THE GENERATION X UNIVERSE (1996)
2- THE MAINSTREAM UNIVERSE (2000-2020)
3- THE ROGUE CUT UNIVERSE (2014)
4- THE DEADPOOL UNIVERSE (2016-2018)
5- THE LEGION UNIVERSE (2017)
6- THE LOGAN UNIVERSE (2017)
7- THE GIFTED UNIVERSE (2017)
8- THE ORIGINLIKE UNIVERSE (Deadpool 2 post-credits scene, 2018)
9- THE CLUSTER 6 - six universes which David Haller/Legion visited on Episode 6-Season 2.
10- THE UNCANNY X-MEN UNIVERSE (the MCU)
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 18, 2020 11:30:43 GMT
All of the movies take place in their own universe. Your super-personal opinion. LMAO. Not the general consensus. This was an excellent franchise that made movie history. 6 billion of dollars grossed worldwide + massive video sales. These are the live action X-Men universes we've seen so far: 1- THE GENERATION X WORLD (1996) 2- THE MAINSTREAM SAGA (original and altered timeline, 2000-2020) 3- THE DEADPOOL WORLD (2016-2018) 4- THE LEGION WORLD 5- THE GIFTED WORLD 6- THE ROGUE CUT WORLD 7- THE "ORIGINS"-LIKE UNIVERSE (visited by Deadpool at the end of "Deadpool 2") 8- THE LOGAN UNIVERSE (2017) + all universes visited by Legion on Season 2. |
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 17, 2020 23:20:24 GMT
No. Only the Adamantium in his body. That's alien. |
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 17, 2020 22:35:07 GMT
I’ll take your word for it. "Logan" invalidates all X-Men movies. Mutants become extinct. Xavier's dream fails. It's an alternate, "What If" universe. Even MARVEL confirmed that. |
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 17, 2020 22:17:49 GMT
1- "The New Mutants" is set in the mainstream X-Men universe. In the movie, Transigen-Alkali doesn't exist, Essex Corporation is definitely confirmed as the organization behind the Weapon X Program, and footage from "Logan" is rearranged to back-up a different event.
2- At the end of "Dark Phoenix" (1992), mutants are no more seen in a "friendly" way. I doubt that humans would issue comic books about them in the 2000s/2010s or so. Also, Old Man Logan seems to imply that "fantastic/fantasy adventures" (like events depicted in 'Apocalypse', 'Dark Phoenix' and so on) did not occur at all.
3- Old Man Logan killed the scientists in his version of the Weapon X Program. Our Logan never did that in "Apocalypse"; indeed he only slaughtered the soldiers.
4- There was no Transigen-Alkali in "Apocalypse". The Weapon X Facility was owned by the Essex Corporation.
5- There was no adamantium bullet in "Apocalypse". In the original timeline, the adamantium bullet had been already used anyway, and it wasn't available anymore anywhere.
6- There were mutant children at the school in the positive ending of DOFP (2023). This means that mutant births didn't stop in 2004, I mean in the mainstream X-Men universe. You can also spot Nate Grey among the children.
7- In DOFP, Phoenix is alive. In the deleted scene of "Logan", Old Man Logan talks about killing Jean and his long time remorse. That said, I doubt that Phoenix wouldn't be able to stop Xavier from killing the X-Men.
8- They never talk about the time-travelling issue. "Logan" follows the original timeline (at least, a tweaked version of it).
9- Caliban is totally different. He's another guy.
10- Old Man Logan is supposed to have been "masked and costumed" in his X-Man days, wearing the comic book costume.
11- Charles is 90 years old in "Logan" (2029). In the mainstream X-Men universe, he is born in 1932, not 1939.
12- At the end of "Dark Phoenix", we see that Xavier's school was renamed after JEAN GREY.
In the positive ending of DOFP, they never mentioned the name of the school anyway, so that's still consistent with DP.
MARVEL officially listed the "Logan" universe as Earth-17315.
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 17, 2020 22:02:04 GMT
The good news is that if they do, you don't have to watch it. He can always watch the old movies on Disney+. Both DOFP and Apocalypse are on there now. That's gotta burn a little. No problem. If Disney manages to make a great X-Men movie like FOX did, I'll be super-happy, even more than you. I'm a true X-Men fan. |
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 17, 2020 11:26:11 GMT
They were all instrumental to the future scenes. The movie was about the 1973 team: Xavier Logan Beast Magneto Mystique All of the movies were about Xavier, Logan, Magneto and Mystique. Glad that's finally over. Xavier Magneto Wolverine Mystique Jean Grey/Phoenix Beast Cyclops and Storm had a decent screentime throughout the saga. X-Men is about Xavier and his dream.I'm afraid Disney will screw it up. |
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 16, 2020 22:10:58 GMT
Most of the characters listed had maybe a single line of dialogue or less in the entire film. Did Rogue say anything at all? They were all instrumental to the future scenes. The movie was about the 1973 team: Xavier Logan Beast Magneto Mystique |
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Post by Mutant 77 on Jul 16, 2020 17:21:27 GMT
If only they had arcs and development.  The main action and development were set in 1973. There was some deep character development with Xavier and Magneto anyway. |
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