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Post by Wolverine10005 on Oct 11, 2021 22:22:56 GMT
In terms of continuity, "The Wolverine" is set in 2008 (Original Timeline). The Post-Last Stand X-Men had disbanded 2 years before or so, after facing Magneto again and again --- as hinted by Wolverine himself in DOFP, on the plane. Erik must have regained his powers some time after the events of "The Last Stand", and keep fighting the X-Men as always.
The post-credits scene of "The Wolverine" is set in 2010. 13 years before the post-apocalyptic future.
Speaking about "The Wolverine", It's a great and brilliant "solo" superhero effort. Terrific action, great direction, Jackman on fire and the Japanese setting was wonderful. Having Viper and Silver Samurai (albeif if modified) was a huge plus. I would have preferred to have Logan wearing a ninja suit or a costume in the final battle, but this is what we got. I love this movie.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Oct 11, 2021 22:05:31 GMT
It's a great and brilliant "solo" superhero effort. Terrific action, great direction, Jackman on fire and the Japanese setting was wonderful. Having Viper and Silver Samurai (albeif if modified) was a huge plus.
I would have preferred to have Logan wearing a ninja suit or a costume in the final battle, but this is what we got.
I love this movie.
In terms of continuity, it is set in 2008 (Original Timeline). The Post-Last Stand X-Men had disbanded 2 years before or so, after facing Magneto again and again (as hinted by Wolverine in DOFP, on the plane). The post-credits scene is set in 2010. 13 years before the post-apocalyptic future.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Oct 11, 2021 20:16:04 GMT
"Logan" invalidates all X-Men movies. Mutants become extinct. Xavier's dream fails. C'est la vie. In that standalone universe. The NOIR version of the movie further underlines the concept.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Oct 10, 2021 0:39:46 GMT
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Oct 9, 2021 13:59:39 GMT
Point by point:
1- "The New Mutants" is set in the mainstream X-Men universe. In the movie, Transigen-Alkali doesn't exist, Essex Corporation is definitely confirmed as the organization behind the Weapon X Program, and footage from "Logan" is rearranged to back-up a different event.
2- At the end of "Dark Phoenix" (1992), mutants are no more seen in a "friendly" way. I doubt that humans would issue comic books about them in the 2000s/2010s or so. Also, Old Man Logan seems to imply that "fantastic/fantasy adventures" (like events depicted in 'Apocalypse', 'Dark Phoenix' and so on) did not occur at all.
3- Old Man Logan killed the scientists in his version of the Weapon X Program. Our Logan never did that in "Apocalypse"; indeed he only slaughtered the soldiers.
4- There was no Transigen-Alkali in "Apocalypse". The Weapon X Facility was owned by the Essex Corporation.
5- There was no adamantium bullet in "Apocalypse". In the original timeline, the adamantium bullet had been already used anyway, and it wasn't available anymore anywhere.
6- There were mutant children at the school in the positive ending of DOFP (2023). This means that mutant births didn't stop in 2004, I mean in the mainstream X-Men universe. You can also spot Nate Grey among the children.
7- In DOFP, Phoenix is alive. In the deleted scene of "Logan", Old Man Logan talks about killing Jean and his long time remorse. That said, I doubt that Phoenix wouldn't be able to stop Xavier from killing the X-Men.
8- They never talk about the time-travelling issue. "Logan" follows the original timeline (at least, a tweaked version of it).
9- Caliban is totally different. He's another guy.
10- Old Man Logan is supposed to have been "masked and costumed" in his X-Man days, wearing the comic book costume.
11- Charles is 90 years old in "Logan" (2029). In the mainstream X-Men universe, he is born in 1932, not 1939.
12- At the end of "Dark Phoenix", we see that Xavier's school was renamed after JEAN GREY. In the positive ending of DOFP, they never mentioned the name of the school anyway, so that's still consistent with DP.
MARVEL officially listed the "Logan" universe as Earth-17315.
"Logan" invalidates all the X-Men movies. Mutants become extinct. Xavier's dream fails. It's the worst ending ever. It's an alternate, "What If"-like universe. Even MARVEL confirmed that. The ending of the X-Men saga is DOFP (2023).
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Oct 9, 2021 10:14:38 GMT
I fixed my points.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Oct 9, 2021 10:10:54 GMT
X-24 had no Adamantium, and his regeneration was less powerful than Wolverine's (in his prime). But the fandom wiki says he did. You should correct them. I will do that by sure. That said, "Logan" was an alternate universe, so maybe the Adamantium of that universe worked differently.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Oct 8, 2021 22:36:52 GMT
That said, when you remove the brain... Wolverine dies. As well as his clones. Removing his brain probably isn’t practical. The regeneration of tissue would likely outpace the speed at which the procedure could be performed. You’d likely need a sword to cut his head in half, horizontally to achieve the desired effect. And that would only work if he had no adamantium bonded to his skeleton. X-24 had no Adamantium, and his regeneration was less powerful than Wolverine's (in his prime).
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Oct 7, 2021 22:20:14 GMT
That said, when you remove the brain... Wolverine dies. As well as his clones.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Oct 7, 2021 22:18:56 GMT
No, in the movie it is stated that X-24 is a less-powered version than young Wolverine.
Really? I didn’t realize that. He seemed far more powerful, faster and aggressive than a younger XMU Wolverine. Who said he was weaker in the film?
You had that impression just because he faced Old Man Logan (who was sick). By "less-powered", I meant that his healing factor and regeneration were less powerful than young Logan's. It is stated somewhere in the movie.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Oct 7, 2021 18:20:38 GMT
I remember that X-24's skeleton was normal, only his claws were coated with Adamantium? Same as Laura/X-23.
His brain, skull and hair should have grew back because of his healing factor.
No, in the movie it is stated that X-24 is a less-powered version than young Wolverine.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Oct 6, 2021 22:01:02 GMT
They did not pierce/drill Logan's skull at all. In the XCU, only super-heated Adamantium can cut cold Adamantium (see Silver Samurai in "The Wolverine"). As simple as that, Stryker's Adamantium bullets hit Wolverine's skull very hard, to the point that the massive concussion damaged Wolverine's brain inside. www.thegomezfirm.com/memory-loss-after-a-concussion/On the X-ray that they did on Wolverine at the school (see X1), you can see that his Adamantium skull is indeed intact. No hole. Besides, they shot Wolverine's forefront in X2, and the bullet hit Adamantium as well. Didn't an Adamantium bullet kill X-24?
I remember that X-24's skeleton was normal, only his claws were coated with Adamantium? Same as Laura/X-23.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Oct 5, 2021 21:55:17 GMT
They did not pierce/drill Logan's skull at all. In the XCU, only super-heated Adamantium can cut cold Adamantium (see Silver Samurai in "The Wolverine"). As simple as that, Stryker's Adamantium bullets hit Wolverine's skull very hard, to the point that the massive concussion damaged Wolverine's brain inside. www.thegomezfirm.com/memory-loss-after-a-concussion/On the X-ray that they did on Wolverine at the school (see X1), you can see that his Adamantium skull is indeed intact. No hole. Besides, they shot Wolverine's forefront in X2, and the bullet hit Adamantium as well.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Oct 5, 2021 21:43:44 GMT
I like the original MCU Pietro. Evan Peters Quicksilver was entertaining only for limited amounts. He wasn't a character I wanted to get to know more of outside of his few cool slowmo scenes. MCU Pietro was a lot more interesting and was not OP as f*ck. Generally speaking, Quicksilver is a great character, and I'm glad that we got two main versions of him.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Oct 5, 2021 18:25:25 GMT
I think either Famke and Sophie depicted her as an apparently "quiet" but deeply fascinating and mysterious character. They did a superb job with her, as well as the screenplayers. Sure, that was the intent, but the execution of that intent ended up just giving us two boring versions. Sophie's especially. Ask the casual movie audience and the only Jean Grey they'll know is probably the one from X-men animated series. I don't agree at all. The execution for both the versions was very powerful, X1 apart (where she was still "quiet"). It was a very complex character. And mind you, she was heavily featured on X2, 'The Last Stand' and 'Dark Phoenix', so casual movie audience will always remember the movie version.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Oct 5, 2021 17:20:57 GMT
Fox mishandled Jean Grey. She was portrayed as just way too damn boring. That said, they at least handled her better than Rogue or Storm. I think either Famke and Sophie depicted her as an apparently "quiet" but deeply fascinating and mysterious character. They did a superb job with her, as well as the screenplayers.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Oct 3, 2021 21:33:03 GMT
Nothing can beat DREAM MASTER.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Oct 2, 2021 12:29:10 GMT
So far, we got 4 live-action Quicksilvers.
1- The clone of Peter Maximoff created by Project WideAwake, seen in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Future member of the second generation of X-Men in the original timeline: Cyclops; Jean Grey; Storm; Beast; Emma Silverfox; Quicksilver (clone); Banshee (clone).
2- The real Peter Maximoff in the X-Men Beginnings saga.
3- The MCU Pietro Maximoff.
4- Ralph Bohner, the fake Quicksilver created by Agatha Harkness in WandaVision.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Sept 30, 2021 23:00:01 GMT
Great movie, despite the reduced length and a bit lackluster middle section. Great acting performances from anyone involved, especially Sophie Turner. Terrific final battle (New York + the Train), very original and exciting.
Underrated gem.
8/10 by sure.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Sept 30, 2021 22:53:14 GMT
People keep underrating the figure of Jean Grey in the XCU. Jean Grey was a lead character in the movie franchise, even more than Mystique.
We got:
X-Men: she was involved with Wolverine and seemed the "centerpiece" of the X-Men, despite being the less powerful member. X2: she started to morph into Phoenix, and was given even more screentime along with Storm. Her death at the end was pivotal. The Last Stand: like it or not, she was the main villain of the movie, and she was menacing. Apocalypse: she became the "Jean Grey" from the comics, and she was already Phoenix (even if she didn't know it). Dark Phoenix: it was a great movie, and she was absolutely the main character.
Her brief cameos on The Wolverine and Days of Future Past were also significant.
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