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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 19, 2020 12:48:46 GMT
Does anyone find this odd that Mystique is the most developed and most fleshed out female character in the history of marvel movies? and I mean all marvel movies made by disney, fox , universal and sony? THIS. In 1999/2000, they took a second-rate mutant female character from the comic books, and turned her into a BIG cinematic superhero icon. She was absolutely fascinating and mysterious in the original trilogy, and then they made her a compelling, complex, fleshed out character in the "BEGINNINGS TRILOGY" (2014-2019). Her story-arc throughout the six movies is ASTONISHING to say the least. The superheroines in the MCU are just eye-candy, formulaic, bland cinematic takes on their respective comic books counterparts.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 19, 2020 12:43:22 GMT
Your super-personal opinion. LMAO. Not the general consensus. 12 films in a franchise, set in 8 universes....what a mess. 13 films in 3 main cinematic universes (Mainstream, Deadpool and Logan). It's called creative and visionary film-making and storytelling. Not formulaic and predictable MCU crap, you know.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 18, 2020 23:43:41 GMT
Who cares? It's the only entry in the series that's actually good. LMAO. So detached from reality...
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 18, 2020 18:45:27 GMT
1- THE GENERATION X UNIVERSE (1996)
2- THE MAINSTREAM UNIVERSE (2000-2020)
3- THE ROGUE CUT UNIVERSE (2014)
4- THE DEADPOOL UNIVERSE (2016-2018)
5- THE LEGION UNIVERSE (2017)
6- THE LOGAN UNIVERSE (2017)
7- THE GIFTED UNIVERSE (2017)
8- THE ORIGINLIKE UNIVERSE (Deadpool 2 post-credits scene, 2018)
9- THE CLUSTER 6 - six universes which David Haller/Legion visited on Episode 6-Season 2.
10- THE UNCANNY X-MEN UNIVERSE (the MCU)
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 18, 2020 11:30:43 GMT
All of the movies take place in their own universe. Your super-personal opinion. LMAO. Not the general consensus. This was an excellent franchise that made movie history. 6 billion of dollars grossed worldwide + massive video sales. These are the live action X-Men universes we've seen so far: 1- THE GENERATION X WORLD (1996) 2- THE MAINSTREAM SAGA (original and altered timeline, 2000-2020) 3- THE DEADPOOL WORLD (2016-2018) 4- THE LEGION WORLD 5- THE GIFTED WORLD 6- THE ROGUE CUT WORLD 7- THE "ORIGINS"-LIKE UNIVERSE (visited by Deadpool at the end of "Deadpool 2") 8- THE LOGAN UNIVERSE (2017) + all universes visited by Legion on Season 2.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 17, 2020 23:20:24 GMT
No. Only the Adamantium in his body. That's alien.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 17, 2020 22:35:07 GMT
I’ll take your word for it. "Logan" invalidates all X-Men movies. Mutants become extinct. Xavier's dream fails. It's an alternate, "What If" universe. Even MARVEL confirmed that.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 17, 2020 22:17:49 GMT
Point by point:
1- The New Mutants is set in the mainstream X-Men universe. In the movie, Transigen-Alkali doesn't exist, Essex Corporation is definitely confirmed as the organization behind the Weapon X Program, and footage from Logan 2017 is rearranged to back-up a different event.
2- At the end of Dark Phoenix (1992), mutants are no more seen in a "friendly" way. I doubt that humans would issue comic books about them in the 2000s/2010s or so. Also, Old Man Logan seems to imply that "fantastic/fantasy adventures" (like events depicted in 'Apocalypse', 'Dark Phoenix' and so on) did not occur at all.
3- Old Man Logan killed the scientists in his version of the Weapon X Program. Our Logan never did that in Apocalypse; indeed he only slaughtered the soldiers.
4- There was no Transigen-Alkali in Apocalypse. The Weapon X Facility was owned by the Essex Corporation.
5- There was no adamantium bullet in Apocalypse. In the original timeline, the adamantium bullet had been already used anyway, and it wasn't available anymore.
6- There were mutant children at the school in the positive ending of DOFP (2023). This means that mutant births didn't stop in 2004, I mean in the mainstream X-Men universe. You can also spot Nate Grey among the children.
7- In DOFP, Phoenix is alive. In the deleted scene of Logan 2017, Old Man Logan talks about killing Jean and his long time remorse. That said, I doubt that Phoenix wouldn't be able to stop Xavier from killing the X-Men.
8- They never talk about the time-travelling issue. Logan 2017 follows the original timeline (at least, a tweaked version/variant of it).
9- Caliban is totally different. He's another guy.
10- Old Man Logan is supposed to have been "masked and costumed" in his X-Man days, wearing the comic book costume.
11- Charles is 90 years old in Logan (2029). In the mainstream X-Men universe, he is born in 1932, not 1938. Maybe... (this is another story LOL).
12- At the end of Dark Phoenix, we see that Xavier's school was renamed after JEAN GREY. In the positive ending of DOFP, they never mentioned the name of the school anyway, so that's still consistent with DP.
MARVEL officially listed the "Logan" universe as Earth-17315.
Logan 2017 invalidates all the X-Men movies. Mutants become extinct. The X-Men have lost. Xavier's dream is dead. It's the "worst" ending ever. It's an alternate, What If-like universe. Even MARVEL confirmed that. The official ending of the X-Men movie saga is DOFP (2023).
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 17, 2020 22:02:04 GMT
The good news is that if they do, you don't have to watch it. He can always watch the old movies on Disney+. Both DOFP and Apocalypse are on there now. That's gotta burn a little. No problem. If Disney manages to make a great X-Men movie like FOX did, I'll be super-happy, even more than you. I'm a true X-Men fan.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 17, 2020 11:26:11 GMT
They were all instrumental to the future scenes. The movie was about the 1973 team: Xavier Logan Beast Magneto Mystique All of the movies were about Xavier, Logan, Magneto and Mystique. Glad that's finally over. Xavier Magneto Wolverine Mystique Jean Grey/Phoenix Beast Cyclops and Storm had a decent screentime throughout the saga. X-Men is about Xavier and his dream.I'm afraid Disney will screw it up.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 16, 2020 22:10:58 GMT
Most of the characters listed had maybe a single line of dialogue or less in the entire film. Did Rogue say anything at all? They were all instrumental to the future scenes. The movie was about the 1973 team: Xavier Logan Beast Magneto Mystique
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 16, 2020 17:21:27 GMT
If only they had arcs and development. ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/6h2ujupw9/nope.gif) The main action and development were set in 1973. There was some deep character development with Xavier and Magneto anyway.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 15, 2020 20:06:17 GMT
i am with Supperhero on this, not his attempt to insert his deluded "definitive" timeline bollocks, but Magneto's fears being real, you can say oh he had superpowers and yeah but that wasn't in this movie all you want but it's a bullshit excuse, at the end of the movie they have Magneto locked up in a plastic prison specifically designed for him, that doesn't happen over night, by registering their powers it gives the government their names, their faces and intel on their powers, everything you would need to cull them from the population, and Magneto's fears aren't just based in the reality of his present but the reality of his past, he's a holocaust survivor and he is traumatised by that, same way people who are victims of sexual assault are traumatised by their ordeal, now just because you may not believe the validity to Magneto's fears, though they are proven true later, how do you argue his perception doesn't make sense when he has the backstory he has, just like if a woman who was violently sexually assaulted flinches or recoils at a man getting to close to them though the mans intentions maybe 100% innocent, you understand her reaction, you should understand Magneto's also...ok not the turning everyone into mutants things, that's supervillain chicanery right there, but the fears of what an overwhelming force of numbers fuelled on hate and fear could do makes perfect sense. Well put.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 15, 2020 13:30:31 GMT
Just because it's "trendy". LMAO.
So ridiculous.
Season 2 is dead.
Americans are funny.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 15, 2020 13:12:00 GMT
Superpowers don't matter. Sentinels were created in the seventies, as pointed out by DOFP. There were Sentinels in the Danger Room, at the beginning of "The Last Stand" (year 2000). You cannot spend your life escaping or fighting people with superpowers. You're a normal citizen, despite your DNA. But that wasn't in the movie. In the movie, only registration was discussed. This is what Ebert was talking about.
The movie made it sound like Magneto had something to worry about with a piece of paper. Not with his powers he didn't. He could destroy a police department in a few seconds.
Magneto comes from the concentration camps. The movie made it sound like Magneto had something to worry about what FOLLOWS a piece of paper, not the piece of paper itself. Sentinels, experiments on mutants, ways to suppress mutant powers... and much more. Stryker was out there. Ebert was seriously wrong.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 15, 2020 12:38:23 GMT
Registration can be the very first step to something MUCH WORSE following that, like concentration camps. You never know. But they have super powers. That's the Ebert point. They aren't defenseless. Nightcrawler was able to evade all the president's secret service.
Superpowers don't matter. Sentinels were created in the seventies, as pointed out by DOFP. There were Sentinels in the Danger Room, at the beginning of "The Last Stand" (year 2000). You cannot spend your life escaping or fighting people with superpowers. You're a normal citizen, despite your DNA.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 15, 2020 12:21:23 GMT
Ask that to Azazel, Nightcrawler, Beast, Caliban, Artie or even Cyclops... There's no need for registration in their cases--they can't hide it. The point of registration is to keep track of those who look outwardly normal.
Registration can be the very first step to something MUCH WORSE following that, like concentration camps. You never know.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 15, 2020 11:41:55 GMT
Ebert said in his review it seemed strange the mutants would be upset about registration when they could easily avoid being registered with the powers they have. Ask that to Azazel, Nightcrawler, Beast, Caliban, Artie or even Cyclops...
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 14, 2020 22:23:21 GMT
Actually, this was the only time we got the "Blue Strike Force Team/Gold Strike Force Team" type in the X-Men movies.
Blue Strike Force Team:
Professor X Magneto Storm Wolverine Rogue (in the Rogue Cut)
Gold Strike Force Team:
Shadowcat Bishop Iceman Colossus Blink Sunspot Warpath
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 14, 2020 20:10:20 GMT
It's a very predictable screenplay, but the movie was intense and had superb direction, great acting from everyone involved, wonderful set-pieces, astonishing action sequences, impressive FX for its time and... HUGH JACKMAN.
It's not a masterpiece, but it was ONE STEP or even TWO STEPS ahead of Tim Burton and the superhero movies of the nineties, and it just ignited the modern superhero genre for the following generations.
HUGH JACKMAN was magnificent. He totally recreated Wolverine from scratch and made the character a big GLOBAL MOVIE ICON, beyond comic books. He will always be the Real Wolverine.
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