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Post by skribb on Dec 28, 2018 20:53:56 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 28, 2018 21:03:33 GMT
Fails and I will use. two movies to explain why DOFP and Back to the Future.
why are people hating on infifnty war time travel an not DOFP or Superman 1 or even Jumanji?
time travel has to do with content and story telling why infinity war is failing is the movie does not have the story and the stakes are not there also poor timing and shock value effect than substance. yes the point of time travel is to go back and change things. star trek anyone? but where it worked for dofp, back to the future, wizard of oz is this movie have inbuilt drama and the moments of the reverses had stakes and was not left for a while to make you start thinking about it which negates the death. infinity war felt random. a movie with no plot, one useless cgi fight scenes after the next and the villain snaps his finger and everything goes away. it feels very thin plotted, i think that is the reason it is getting criticism. also the way it ended. you know they will come back. poor writing. DOFP and back to the future had flow to make you think differently for each scene that we knew was going to be reversed by time travel unlike infinity war. when the mutants were dying in DOFP, I was focused on the dying not and wanted mystique to get her act together. also things were just so messed up and intense too since in DOFP we were shown the past and future simultaneously complex- yes. mcu cant do complex. when marty mcfly was getting erased in back to the future. I was saying holyshit. I didnt say I know he will come back in the end. Infinity war does not give you that moment like DOFP or back to the future did. also they chose to end it there which is more shock value than good writing. so we know the.... they will come back thinking starts to get more notice devaluing the entire film. its just mcu poor writing that hits them again. it is no DOFP or back to the future. TS;DR (too stupid; didn't read).
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 28, 2018 21:37:23 GMT
Ok lets go back through this. My general opinion on Oscars are they aren't about merit. They haven't been in years or if ever. It is a circle jerk for an industry. There are always other factors in play. I can link you to multiple times I've said this. It's about business, emotions, campaigning, and capturing the Zeitgeist of the moment. Opinion 1: One of the factors that got Heath Ledger a nomination and win was his untimely death. It was framed in such a way to highlight his great performance. I believe, as in my opinion, that his performance is the closest that any comicbook/superhero movie has come to getting an oscar in the major awards and deserving it. The Media framed his performance as a tortured artist who literally died for his art. Opinion 2 One of the factors that got Logan a nomination was that Hugh Jackman said it was his last movie and that his character died. Hugh Jackman helped bring forth this Golden Age of Comic Books. He was a beloved Character and Actor who in 15+ years in 8 movies helped define an ERA of Cinema. I am of the opinion that if Hugh Jackman had 2 or 3 more movies on his contract and Logan didn't die then the movie and screenplay wouldn't have the punch it does. Opinion 3 One of the factors that got Black Panther it's award nominations now is that it's a movie that was Written, Directed and Starred mostly by Africans and AFrican Americans. It's the first large budgeted movie that has proven that that combination can work at the box office. That people will flock to it. It matched the US Cultural zeitgeist and is reaping the rewards. These statements in no way equate the quality of the 3 movies. It just points out 3 factors of which there are many, that have nothing to do with the quality of the movies that help push the 3 to award fame. I don't call the artificial boosters because all movies have boosters. No movie is seen in a vacuum during award season. All Studios frame movies with a narrative. I used Rotten Tomatoes % and Rating, IMDB Rating, and Award nominations as evidence of what movies were Critically and Audience Acclaimed. Barring me going and researching every Critic's review of a movie and every viewer of a movie how else am I supposed to define if a movie is Acclaimed or not. I could use Metacritic also but a lot of the Critics on Metacritic are the same ones on Rotten Tomatoes. And if you look at my statements I wasn't even using Rotten Tomatoes, IMDB and Award Nominations as evidence against Logan or TDK. I was rebutting your opinion that Winter Soldier was more Prestigious and Acclaimed than any other MCU Movie. The fucked up thing it's my opinion that Winter Soldier IS a better MOVIE than Black Panther, but the FACT remains if we are going to use words like Prestigious and Acclaimed then Winter Solider isn't the most Acclaimed or Prestigious. Prestigious: adjective inspiring respect and admiration; having high status. How do we quantify respect, admiration, or status for a movie? The only way I know how is to find out how the general public thought about the movie and how critics thought about the movie. I used Rotten Tomatoes to show critics rating and yes or no percentage. I used Rotten Tomatoes audience score, and IMDB public rating to show how the public felt about it. You can have a opinion that the Critics are biased to MCU movies, but critical review is part of the equation in finding respect, admiration and status. That's why the term CRITICALLY ACCLAIMED IS USED. In the scenario the "MCU Critic Bias" if it exists doesn't apply as I am comparing all MCU movies. The Bias would show itself in all the critics reviews for each movie. Acclaim: verb praise enthusiastically and publicly. To Honor. Praise is the act of showing respect. A synonym for Praise and Honor is to AWARD. This goes along with Critical and Audience Acclaim, but it's also slightly different. So I used the Award nom. count even though awards are mainly bullshit to show that other MCU movies garnered more awards nom than Winter Soldier. So lets Use Metacritic instead of Rotten Tomatoes. (Unless you are saying that even though I am comparing Critics views on all MCU movies that Critics have no part in praising a movie???) Winter Soldier Metacritic 70 out of 100. Winter Soldier Metacritic Audience Score 8.5 out of 10. Guardians of the Galaxy Metacritic 76 out of 100. Guardians of the Galaxy Metacritic Audience Score 8.5 out of 10. Iron-man Metacritic 79 out of 100 Iron-man Metacritic Audience Score 8.5 out of 10 Well what do you know Guardians of the Galaxy, Ironman is more Critically Acclaimed than Winter Soldier there too. When it comes to Audience Acclaim they are tied. Hell I agree that Aquaman, to me, is about right in the center of MCU. I never said that Critical Acclaim and rating was proof that a movie was good. Critics state their Opinion. If more Critics (and audience) Opinion is positive for a movie then by definition that movie is more prestigious and acclaimed. I used Critical Acclaim and Rating as proof of movies having more Acclaim than another. Acclaim doesn't make a movie better. It's not an opinion that Critics and General Population put more acclaim, honor, prestige, etc on MCU movies other than Winter Soldier. How they rate a movie is an opinion, reciting what they rated is a Fact. This means that Winter Solider isn't the most prestige, honored, awarded, rated, critically acclaimed MCU movie. Let me go simpler. Critic 1 rating = opinion, Critic 2 rating = opinion... Critic 100 rating = opinion. Now if we took all those ratings and averaged them the average rating is the average opinion of the 100 critics. Stating that 100 critic's rating averaged to 7.5 is a fact. That doesn't give credence to their individual or collective opinion it's just stating a fact. See the difference? Ok I will believe you that Time Travel has been confirmed just point me to a link where: Marvel Studios Executive saying they will be using time travel. or The Russo's saying they will be using time travel. or A video of raw footage that shows time travel will be used from End Game. Wait. Nevermind on the first two because it was CONFIRMED that the name of the MOVIE had never been said in a MCU movie by Russo's when people guessed End Game. And what do you know the name of the Movie is End Game. That phrase was said in at least 2 MCU movies AoU and IW. So unless you have a video showing definite use of time travel. Then no it hasn't been Confirmed. Listen to yourself. A sequel of a movie had a sad ending so therefore all the movies before it's endings are sad in retrospect. So do you hold off judging the sadness or happiness of an ending until a Studio stops making the series of Movies? A New Hope's ending was sad because Empire Strike Backs ending was sad? Well until Return of the Jedi's ending happened then Empire's ending magically became Happy and Hope's ending reverted back to happy. It was my opinion that Jennifer Phoned it in. I never said it was a fact. I said it felt like she phoned it in. Now Critics may have praised her in the role. I don't ever remember her being singled out in that movie. It may be true. I remember McAvoy, Jackman and Fastbender being praised, but not her. If that's the case then bully for them. In my opinion she felt disconnected, drab, and phoning it in. And you can feel free to think that FC and DoFP are Superior to Infinity War. That's your opinion it's no greater or lesser than my Opinion. I think First Class is Superior to Infinity War and Infinity War is Superior to DoFP. Your opinion is just as valid as my opinion when it comes to what Infinity War did for Comic Book Movies. We think the opposite. (I can point to the sustained high praise To you it was real danger. To me it wasn't. There was never a part of me that thought that Marty McFly the main character of a Family Comedy Movie in the 80's was ever going to die. This is your strongest opinion to me. I don't agree with it, but I can relate to your opinion. There was planned shock in the deaths there is no denying that. The Juxtaposition that took place of the devastation of the Sentinels and the Hate they represent vs the Mutants choosing Mercy to the people who would eventually destroy them helps to frame the future deaths. I don't think it gives the future deaths more meaning or the belief the deaths would stick, but there was a great comparison to each other. Like the Dusted Deaths I never thought the Future Deaths would stick. I thought the simple dignity that Charles and Eric had at the end when they were about to temporarily die really tugged at the heart strings. The rest of the deaths I wasn't that emotionally invested. There was no moment for that to happen. Except when Kitty looked for Bobby and looked crest fallen. I can't remember if that was in the Theatrical Cut or just the Rogue Cut though. Deaths in general don't mean much when you know it's going to be reversed. What does mean a lot is moments between characters before they are reversed. I just thought there were more and better moments at the end of IW. Those aren't attacks. Most are just my opinions or me using objective facts to support my opinions. The funny thing you call me doing this as attacks. I want to believe all of us here are just really passionate about what we like and dislike. I try to look at your post through that prism, but sometimes you make that hard. I think I will listen to James Cameron especially when he says he loves the movies. I will also agree that there needs to be diverse Sci-Fi and Sci-Fantasy out there. I think there is enough room out there for more now with 700+ movies made per year. Y our opinions for Oscars do not change the truth some movies earn it on merit. Black Panther wont and that is facts not opinions. No oscar is nominated or won on merit alone. If that were the case then they would just send out the screeners and that's it. There would be no private viewing parties with the filmmakers and stars, campaigning, ads and articles pushed in Variety. If you can show me where there was absolutely no campaigning for those 2 movies. I will agree that they got them strictly on Merit. This is not just one or two articles that suggest they only had the screeners sent out. You would have to prove Studio Execs at Fox and WB didn't have talks with Agents pushing for their Academy Clients to nominate or vote for Studios IP, parties, gifts, ads, etc. That's the point I'm making. Some movies deserve recognition more, but in the Business of Hollywood merit isn't the only factor. It's an interconnected web. And yes Logan and TDK had to play the game too. I agree if we had to compare Ledger's to all of BP he would deserve it over BP. I never said it did over him. I just said that his nomination and win wasn't 100% merit. NO movies nomination or win is based strictly on merit. It's just my personal opinion, which has nothing to do with the other opinion that more than merit is considered, that no superhero/comicbook movie has deserved a main Oscar. Those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive. I don't think he deserved a Nomination. I also don't think that most of the academy thought he didn't and only voted on it because he died. I'm saying that I didn't think it deserved. I'm pretty sure a lot of academy members thought he did, but his death being framed/given scope highlighted the performance. Making even more people think he deserved it. I just don't agree. He was close but no cigar. I never meant to imply that that was the sole factor and the Academy was giving him a pity fuck because he died. I was just saying that that was just one factor out of many. That's not an opinion I would argue. It matches mine. I just don't go touting that my Opinion is the truth. I feel TDK hands down is superior to Black Panther. I think Logan is closer in quality to Black Panther , but still beats it by large margin. I have some problems with Logan, but I can appreciate the movie's Quality. I can appreciate the quality of God Father 1 and 2, but I would never call them any of my favorites. Rewatch-ability is hands down to Logan. What is your definition of Acclaimed and that of Prestigious? I gave you Websters . By the definition of the 2 words yes GotG and Iron-man is more prestigious and acclaimed. Without changing the dictionary definition of the word tell me how Winter Solider is more Acclaimed and Prestigious than GoTG and Iron-Man. Was Winter Soldier higher rated by audiences? Was Winter Soldier given more Acclaim and Respect by Critics? Did Winter Soldier earn more nomination/wins for awards? So your definition of CONFIRMED is an article that is speculating with the limited data we have? They have a question mark in the title and the first sentence says "AVENGERS 4 Endgame’s trailer seems to tease time travel to reverse Thanos’ Snap in Avengers Infinity War." Again the only people who can confirm that time travel is in the movie are: The Writers, Actors, Execs, and people who have seen the movie. And even if they confirm it doesn't mean it's true. The Russo's said that End Game wasn't the title. The actors shot multiple scripts/scenes, The Russo's also put misinformation in the IW trailer. Hulk fighting in Wakanda and Thanos fighting Captain America with only 2 stones. How can we trust anything about what the movie will be and what will be confirmed if you can't trust the Trailers or The Russos? I love Back To the Future, but the fading/dying was never suspenseful for me. The only thing that was suspenseful was what changes he made to the time line. Dude you have to be kidding. How is the ending to series of movies the ending to all the movies? So if I've never seen Logan or Days of Future Past and was just fixing to watch them, but was nervous if I would like DoFP ending being sad. If I asked you go ahead and spoil the ending to DoFP for me and Just DoFP. If you agreed would you say "Logan dies at the end and his clone daughter recites Shane at his grave?" or would you say "Logan saves the day, changes the past which erases much of X3." Words have meanings. The end of DoFP is the end of DoFP. The end of Logan is the end of Logan. And we don't know if New Mutants takes place in the main universe or if it's before or after the events of Logan. If it's not then the end of the Series is sad, but not the end of the previous movies because of the last one. Dude that tact won't work for me. Barring X3, Origins, and Apocalypse I love or like the other X-men Movies. I'm not some blind MCU Fan that thinks every MCU movie is better than any comicbook movie. Again learn Opinion vs Fact. Anybody I name as Complex and 3d as Mystique would just be my opinion. Just like it's your Opinion that Mystique is Complex and 3D. It would be Opinion vs Opinion. The layers of Mystique in the First Class generation of Xmen films. Abandon child who hates she's a mutant who comes to grips with her difference. Broken by losses she goes down a path of evil, but is saved by mercy. Consigned to fight for those who are different to the detriment to her soul finally comes to grip with what it means to be Mutant and Proud. A lesson that she thought she understood what it meant after her epiphany in FC. She finally understands the true nature of being proud of ones self viscerally. After taking that lesson truely to heart instead of fighting for people who are different she teaches others how to fight and be proud. Did I get that about right? The complexity and 3 dimension-ness isn't even because of Jennifer's performance. It would be the Writing. Writing creates character complexity and dimension. The actress has to just portray that naturally. You could have the worst actor in the world give a performance of the most complex character in the world and the character would still be complex. You could have the best actor in the world portray the least complex character ever written and unless he changes the dialogue, setting, action, etc he couldn't make the character more complex. Another reason we know about her complexity is we have seen an Arc of hers going from teenager to adult woman. This doesn't paint the MCU in a good light you are right. All that said even with her bad performance in DofP and Apocalypse her writing has given her a big arc and their isn't one to match in the MCU. LIke I said early I didn't read anything that puts her in the spotlight or anecdotally from people all over. I wouldn't say her inbetweenness is the cause of the complexity but the talent of the writers making her arc long and twisted. BTW I think Jennifer Lawrence is a great actor. Like me and charzhino were talking about a bit ago I think the grueling nature of the makeup started the decent. In the beginning her being young and willing to put up with it helped her performance in FC. After she blew up she got more disenchanted with he movies and the character. I forgot when he said the downward spiral started, but I think we agreed it started in DoFP I don't want to put words in his mouth tho. Yup, I'm not ashamed of liking IW. And I had more enjoyment and emotional response to it than DoFP. The pay off was better. I like how IW is really Thanos' story. I like how it ended on a series of down notes. James Cameron who loved avengers? and was quoted as such? In the end it's just your opinion that DOFP is Better. You can't prove a subjective stance as objective. You aren't the de facto judge of movies who opinions are facts. Who called it the best since was it a critic? Do those count only when you agree with them? Was it just someone else in the business? I would like to talk to de facto Judge of Movies out there who's opinions are facts if it's not you. who called one of the worst movies of the year? Was it a critic that you agreed with? Do only those critics count? Seems you had a problem with me using the respect they gave to GotG and Iron-man when you didn't agree. Does Acclaim only count when critic agrees with you? Woah you have quotes from filmmakers that hated IW. Can you post the lot here I'd like to see them. So are they the de facto judge that their opinions get spun into golden facts? So audience don't count when they acclaim and praise movies you don't like, but when they agree with you they count? So we can all get it straight tell us the rules succinctly. When do critics, filmmakers, audience scores count and when they don't.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 28, 2018 22:21:39 GMT
Y our opinions for Oscars do not change the truth some movies earn it on merit. Black Panther wont and that is facts not opinions. No oscar is nominated or won on merit alone. If that were the case then they would just send out the screeners and that's it. There would be no private viewing parties with the filmmakers and stars, campaigning, ads and articles pushed in Variety. If you can show me where there was absolutely no campaigning for those 2 movies. I will agree that they got them strictly on Merit. This is not just one or two articles that suggest they only had the screeners sent out. You would have to prove Studio Execs at Fox and WB didn't have talks with Agents pushing for their Academy Clients to nominate or vote for Studios IP, parties, gifts, ads, etc. That's the point I'm making. Some movies deserve recognition more, but in the Business of Hollywood merit isn't the only factor. It's an interconnected web. And yes Logan and TDK had to play the game too. I agree if we had to compare Ledger's to all of BP he would deserve it over BP. I never said it did over him. I just said that his nomination and win wasn't 100% merit. NO movies nomination or win is based strictly on merit. It's just my personal opinion, which has nothing to do with the other opinion that more than merit is considered, that no superhero/comicbook movie has deserved a main Oscar. Those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive. I don't think he deserved a Nomination. I also don't think that most of the academy thought he didn't and only voted on it because he died. I'm saying that I didn't think it deserved. I'm pretty sure a lot of academy members thought he did, but his death being framed/given scope highlighted the performance. Making even more people think he deserved it. I just don't agree. He was close but no cigar. I never meant to imply that that was the sole factor and the Academy was giving him a pity fuck because he died. I was just saying that that was just one factor out of many. That's not an opinion I would argue. It matches mine. I just don't go touting that my Opinion is the truth. I feel TDK hands down is superior to Black Panther. I think Logan is closer in quality to Black Panther , but still beats it by large margin. I have some problems with Logan, but I can appreciate the movie's Quality. I can appreciate the quality of God Father 1 and 2, but I would never call them any of my favorites. Rewatch-ability is hands down to Logan. What is your definition of Acclaimed and that of Prestigious? I gave you Websters . By the definition of the 2 words yes GotG and Iron-man is more prestigious and acclaimed. Without changing the dictionary definition of the word tell me how Winter Solider is more Acclaimed and Prestigious than GoTG and Iron-Man. Was Winter Soldier higher rated by audiences? Was Winter Soldier given more Acclaim and Respect by Critics? Did Winter Soldier earn more nomination/wins for awards? So your definition of CONFIRMED is an article that is speculating with the limited data we have? They have a question mark in the title and the first sentence says "AVENGERS 4 Endgame’s trailer seems to tease time travel to reverse Thanos’ Snap in Avengers Infinity War." Again the only people who can confirm that time travel is in the movie are: The Writers, Actors, Execs, and people who have seen the movie. And even if they confirm it doesn't mean it's true. The Russo's said that End Game wasn't the title. The actors shot multiple scripts/scenes, The Russo's also put misinformation in the IW trailer. Hulk fighting in Wakanda and Thanos fighting Captain America with only 2 stones. How can we trust anything about what the movie will be and what will be confirmed if you can't trust the Trailers or The Russos? I love Back To the Future, but the fading/dying was never suspenseful for me. The only thing that was suspenseful was what changes he made to the time line. Dude you have to be kidding. How is the ending to series of movies the ending to all the movies? So if I've never seen Logan or Days of Future Past and was just fixing to watch them, but was nervous if I would like DoFP ending being sad. If I asked you go ahead and spoil the ending to DoFP for me and Just DoFP. If you agreed would you say "Logan dies at the end and his clone daughter recites Shane at his grave?" or would you say "Logan saves the day, changes the past which erases much of X3." Words have meanings. The end of DoFP is the end of DoFP. The end of Logan is the end of Logan. And we don't know if New Mutants takes place in the main universe or if it's before or after the events of Logan. If it's not then the end of the Series is sad, but not the end of the previous movies because of the last one. Dude that tact won't work for me. Barring X3, Origins, and Apocalypse I love or like the other X-men Movies. I'm not some blind MCU Fan that thinks every MCU movie is better than any comicbook movie. Again learn Opinion vs Fact. Anybody I name as Complex and 3d as Mystique would just be my opinion. Just like it's your Opinion that Mystique is Complex and 3D. It would be Opinion vs Opinion. The layers of Mystique in the First Class generation of Xmen films. Abandon child who hates she's a mutant who comes to grips with her difference. Broken by losses she goes down a path of evil, but is saved by mercy. Consigned to fight for those who are different to the detriment to her soul finally comes to grip with what it means to be Mutant and Proud. A lesson that she thought she understood what it meant after her epiphany in FC. She finally understands the true nature of being proud of ones self viscerally. After taking that lesson truely to heart instead of fighting for people who are different she teaches others how to fight and be proud. Did I get that about right? The complexity and 3 dimension-ness isn't even because of Jennifer's performance. It would be the Writing. Writing creates character complexity and dimension. The actress has to just portray that naturally. You could have the worst actor in the world give a performance of the most complex character in the world and the character would still be complex. You could have the best actor in the world portray the least complex character ever written and unless he changes the dialogue, setting, action, etc he couldn't make the character more complex. Another reason we know about her complexity is we have seen an Arc of hers going from teenager to adult woman. This doesn't paint the MCU in a good light you are right. All that said even with her bad performance in DofP and Apocalypse her writing has given her a big arc and their isn't one to match in the MCU. LIke I said early I didn't read anything that puts her in the spotlight or anecdotally from people all over. I wouldn't say her inbetweenness is the cause of the complexity but the talent of the writers making her arc long and twisted. BTW I think Jennifer Lawrence is a great actor. Like me and charzhino were talking about a bit ago I think the grueling nature of the makeup started the decent. In the beginning her being young and willing to put up with it helped her performance in FC. After she blew up she got more disenchanted with he movies and the character. I forgot when he said the downward spiral started, but I think we agreed it started in DoFP I don't want to put words in his mouth tho. Yup, I'm not ashamed of liking IW. And I had more enjoyment and emotional response to it than DoFP. The pay off was better. I like how IW is really Thanos' story. I like how it ended on a series of down notes. James Cameron who loved avengers? and was quoted as such? In the end it's just your opinion that DOFP is Better. You can't prove a subjective stance as objective. You aren't the de facto judge of movies who opinions are facts. Who called it the best since was it a critic? Do those count only when you agree with them? Was it just someone else in the business? I would like to talk to de facto Judge of Movies out there who's opinions are facts if it's not you. who called one of the worst movies of the year? Was it a critic that you agreed with? Do only those critics count? Seems you had a problem with me using the respect they gave to GotG and Iron-man when you didn't agree. Does Acclaim only count when critic agrees with you? Woah you have quotes from filmmakers that hated IW. Can you post the lot here I'd like to see them. So are they the de facto judge that their opinions get spun into golden facts? So audience don't count when they acclaim and praise movies you don't like, but when they agree with you they count? So we can all get it straight tell us the rules succinctly. When do critics, filmmakers, audience scores count and when they don't. Spin the Oscars as much as you want. When and if BP gets nominated. Expect laughs, cringe worthy factor , backlash and ridiculed and not one person saying it was deserved apart from the mcu fanatics. That is fact. So Ledger on 50% merit. Black panther on 0% merit. Sounds accurate. Notice your personal opinions are trying to make mcu look good when mcu are deemed awful on the world of film artistry? Acclaimed and prestigious is something seems of good intellect, something that merits respect, something that is taken seriously, something most honest person can agree on. Something that adds values to things, Something that is usually brought to make sounds arguments. Check your mcu. They don’t match that. They are seen as dumb fun entertainment . Reason I said MCU fans like to argue with winter solider. Ah..so another mcu fan with wait and see. Funny many Nolan fans did not need to wait and see to know interstellar will have some time and space travel based on things like plot synopsis and events. Time travel is obvious of end game. What is more obvious is the movie will stink. Meh, I don’t buy you loving back to future,. Clearly not as much as mcu movies if not you will not have lied about it to defend the awfulness of infinity war. Marty fading away was a classic stand out. Freaky. Anyone that dismiss that and tries to defend the nonsense of infinity war is a joke You cant name any mcu female as complex as mystique because she doesn’t exist. Opinions vs facts again? Opinions drawn from what we factually see. Eg, I have an opinion BP had bad cgi since in factually saw the movie with bad cgi, Everything you said about mystique is true but the j law hate to me is funny. This is what happens when scarlet Johansson is the mcu female lead and cant act well or does not try to. Go after the actress who can. Please keep saying she had a bad performance in DOFP while at the same time, you cant mention any mcu female who has given a better performance. Its ironic isn’t it. Jlaw gave a better performance, in DOFP than any mcu actor has done in an mcu movie. So the worst performance of jlaw is still superior to any mcu performance. Sad. MCU fans by default will have more emotional ties to IW. Long time comic fans marvel or dc fans of good film making will have more emotional ties to DOFP because we value good drama, real film making and substance. Cameron like avengers like most masses to. They like it but admit its stupid and has no substance.
critcs, film makers, audiences. hm, what is with all the talk that comic movies have ruined cinema? why do audince admits mcu movies are just about fun and nothing deep. trust speilberg when he said the genre will die out. IW is leading us there for part 2 when it goes froma 96% cgi movie to 100% cgi movie
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Post by bud47 on Dec 28, 2018 23:27:39 GMT
Vassaggo, I don't know why you're even bothering trying to have a rational discussion with summers8. There's no point. You may as well be talking to the wall. There's a reason why so many people here have made mention of his mental issues.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 29, 2018 1:37:54 GMT
First of all we don't know for a Fact if they are going to use Time Travel to fix the snap. It's the prevalent speculation/opinion that they will use time travel. I see where you are comming from with your opinions on the matter, I just don't agree with a lot of them. I can see why people loved DofP and while I liked it I never could get over a few things. As you'll see below I LOVED, Truely LOVED First Class. DoFP just was a let down compared to First Class. Second to you it felt thin plotted, but to me I was amazed they balanced the story arcs of what 25+ characters and not just make it coherent but actually flow well. Third, if while watching DoFP and watching Future Mutants die you didn't think well this is going to be rectified in a few moments then I think you got caught up in the grandeur of the shots and the story causing you not to think. Those scenes were shot gloriously, but to me they were just to get the glory shot of Mutants dying. Those deaths meant nothing to me. This is compounded by the 2 timelines occurring simultaneously. As soon as they introduced sending Wolverine back to change the past everyone that I know of knew exactly we were going to get the Happy and I hate to say this Disney Cartoon ending. All the wrongs would be righted and all the good guys would be set on the right path. Where DoFP failed for me (I can take the fact that I knew the time travel was going to give us the happy ending) was the fact that the characters of X1, X2, and X3 never felt congruent with First Class. (or even possible to turn into their future selves) First Class was supposed to be a soft reboot and the only thing that tied it to the Original was a 30 second cameo by Hugh Jackmen and Rebecca Romijn in First Class. I can kind of see Prof X and Magneto from First Class maybe growing into the men of X1, X2, and X3. (it's a stretch for me though) The lynch pin of the movie Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique and her relationship with Professor X from First Class never felt right with X1. (Maybe it was a failure of imagination on my part, but Jennifer's Mystique never felt like any scenario would turn her into Rebecca's Mystique. Even with Rebecca's Cameo it felt like First Class took place in a completely different Universe and the 2 characters just shared a name and power set.) The movies felt cobbled together with a "wouldn't it be great if we could pull these two Era's together" gimmick. It felt forced and gimmicky. Jennifer Lawrence phoning it in DofP didn't help either. Apocalypse furthered this not just Jennifer phoning it in, but the feeling that these characters are way to far apart. I know the timeline changed, but Jean, Storm, Cyclops, Beast, and Nightcrawler further shows that gimmicky feel that these characters will never grow to be the characters we already know. And by using the same actors in the Post Script ending of DofP in the future, acting the same way they did in X2 (X3 for Beast) says that the kids in Apocalypse should grow into those Characters. There is a huge disconnect. And the gimmick of jumping decades is just blah. These reasons is why I find First Class to be the superior film. They handled everything deftly. Plot, Acting, Themes, Era, everything. I could've used a better actress for Emma, but Jones was serviceable. First Class is up there with X2 and X1 IMHO. Fourth, Marty in Back to the Future never felt like he was in real danger. Not once did I feel like he was going to truely fade into the ether of time. The only thing that held suspense was what would change now that George stood up for himself twice. Fifth, what Infinity War did deftly was subvert expectations in a different way. I knew going in that it was going the be the Empire Strikes Back of the MCU. I mean that just like Empire the bad guys win, no protagonist got what they wanted. In fact, I warned my family to gird themselves against it. I told them don't be surprised if this ending is sad. The subversion doesn't come from the fact they the good guys lost. It comes from the fact that the movie is framed to where Thanos is the protagonist. His is sympathetic. His plan is bat shit crazy, but if he's not a Unreliable Narrator then his actions comes from a good place. Getting the stones wasn't easy and took a toll on him. You see that he actually loved Gamora and it hurt him to his core to do what he did. He shows respect multiple times to the Avengers. When he could he spared them. As he doesn't see himself as evil. The movie is shot in a way that his journey at times looks heroic. The scene when the Avengers have Thanos subdued and are trying to get the Gauntlet off isn't shot to look like the bad guy is being defeated. It is shot and looks like a man with principles being brought down. Thanos is fighting the odds, pain and grief to do what he thinks is right. Starlord comes off as the prick. In Starlords grief he is beating a subdued character who can't fight back. You feel for Starlord, who wouldn't want to beat the fuck out of the man who killed the woman you loved, but plays out like Starlord is the villain in that scene. When Thor buries Stormbreaker into Thanos that shot doesn't look like a Villain being almost defeated. It shot to look like a Hero fighting to do what he believes is right. After it's done Thanos is rewarded with his happy ending. His contented smile expressed through grief of losing everything including his child looks like a Hero getting a well deserved rest. Finally, where you saw the deaths in the other movies as significant even though the time travel was going to fix it in moments, I felt that in the dusted characters. I knew Spiderman has a movie coming out after Part 4. We assume it's after the snap or at least that's my opinion. (Although it could take place before IW. I doubt it but it's a possibility. Just like my opinion of how they fix it will be Time Travel or Jumping to other Dimensions to get their Stones. Which kinda equals out to the same. Maybe they will subvert again and Avengers 4 fixes it in another way) Knowing all that still seeing Spidey begging for life at his Father Figure and Tony who has spent 2 movies trying not to see Spidey die, slowly seeing him fade just got me. The Russo's made me feel for a fucking CGI Raccoon losing his adoptive cgi tree teenage son. Seeing the crushing weight on Cap's shoulders when he realizes they lost the battle for Trillions upon Trillions of life forms with an "Oh God" was just great acting. I also like having the movie end there. If it were plotted differently and the Snap and the Fixing of the Snap happened in the same movie then it would feel contrived. I like that it gives us months to dig into the plot. To try and come up with different scenarios on what will happen. Giving us a break to think who will survive, who will be brought back etc. I think that might be the biggest difference between you and me. We are on different sides of a coin. Both of us seeing good acting, action, scenes, etc in different places. Like my Uncle told me 100's of times it's good to have different opinions. It would be a fucking wasteland of boredom if everyone agreed. (I just think if you would state your opinions as opinions more often then it would cut down on people exploding on you. Which even I have done.) As a medicine to your bs. I will make it short. Considering you are the person who are the nerves to equate logan and tdk Oscar nom to any possible norm for black panther and worse try to argue with rotten tomatoes. LMAO . How is that working out when you consider most here have said Aquaman is better than half the mcu movies and has a lower rt score than all mcu films? see how you loose credibility? Shame you became an mcu fanatic, defending the bullishtness of MCU. FACTS.
1. Its has been confirmed they will use time travel for Avengers. The movie will be terrible not because of time travel but it will be terrible because it will be another cgi mess with no substance. 2. DOFP did not have a happy ending. The ending was questionable. Since in the end, the LAST line was the future was never truly set. And as we see in logan. Mutants still met their tragic end. no happy ending there. logam xavier, xmen. all gone. So typical of mcu fans Lie about another movie to make mcu look less bad. 4. JLAw phoned it in Apocalypse not DOFP. Infact DOFP was the film that showed how complex she is. There is no female character in comics that has been as complex as mystique was in DOFP outside of catwoman in TDKR and Batman Returns. As seen in 2014 you cant equate mystique's arc in DOFP to black widow in winter solider that had none. Lawrence is a great actress and it showed in DOFP she was praised for. Reason she was trashed in Apocalypse for not giving the phoned performance. These are critical facts. truthful opinions5. You are free to think first class is the superior movie however both movies (first class and dofp) are superior to infinity war and helped the genre to infinity war that harmed with it. 6. Mcfly was in real danger. It was more horrifying to see him fade or worse his mum falling in love with him, creepy as hell and scary too. leave it to mcu fans to say it was not because they cant say the same for infinity war. 7. infinity war deaths was shock value as said, its like writing on a cw show. maybe if the death had some juxtaposition story telling like DOFP. it would have been better. LOL..Look at mcu fans attacking DOFP and back to the future. really? this movies are compelling sci fi drama. they get respect for that alone. Infinity war cant since it is just cgi garbage. time travel or no time travel. next time listen to James Cameron, could help you be more honest. Where was it confirmed time travel will be in the sequel? Source? (Spoiler?!) It goes without saying that both FC and DOFP were better than IW. But I'll tell you what could've used a little of that IW flair: Apocalypse. I've defended the flick and still like it, but when I saw Thanos and Hulk slugging it out, I thought, "This is what Apocalypse should've been: some huge -- pun intended -- hulking dude like these two." Innit?
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Post by hobowar on Dec 29, 2018 4:19:18 GMT
You see that he actually loved Gamora and it hurt him to his core to do what he did. That is a pretty forced scene. It was pointed out in the cinema sins episode of IW and its hard to disagree with them. Thanos goes to a planet of Gamoras people and randomly picks her out and says she has great strength and takes her under his wing. No real reason is given and the emotional connection is pretty weak so when he sacrafices her on the clifftop, theres little resonance in his supposed pain because the backstory is rushed. And its more strange she seems very shocked when he picks her as the thing he loves for his sacrafice. Im sure everyone in the audience knew straight away soon as Red Skull mentioned the cost of the gem that Thanos was sacrificing Gamora. I completely disagree with everything you said, but at least you tried. Take note, summers8.
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 29, 2018 7:28:58 GMT
No oscar is nominated or won on merit alone. If that were the case then they would just send out the screeners and that's it. There would be no private viewing parties with the filmmakers and stars, campaigning, ads and articles pushed in Variety. If you can show me where there was absolutely no campaigning for those 2 movies. I will agree that they got them strictly on Merit. This is not just one or two articles that suggest they only had the screeners sent out. You would have to prove Studio Execs at Fox and WB didn't have talks with Agents pushing for their Academy Clients to nominate or vote for Studios IP, parties, gifts, ads, etc. That's the point I'm making. Some movies deserve recognition more, but in the Business of Hollywood merit isn't the only factor. It's an interconnected web. And yes Logan and TDK had to play the game too. I agree if we had to compare Ledger's to all of BP he would deserve it over BP. I never said it did over him. I just said that his nomination and win wasn't 100% merit. NO movies nomination or win is based strictly on merit. It's just my personal opinion, which has nothing to do with the other opinion that more than merit is considered, that no superhero/comicbook movie has deserved a main Oscar. Those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive. I don't think he deserved a Nomination. I also don't think that most of the academy thought he didn't and only voted on it because he died. I'm saying that I didn't think it deserved. I'm pretty sure a lot of academy members thought he did, but his death being framed/given scope highlighted the performance. Making even more people think he deserved it. I just don't agree. He was close but no cigar. I never meant to imply that that was the sole factor and the Academy was giving him a pity fuck because he died. I was just saying that that was just one factor out of many. That's not an opinion I would argue. It matches mine. I just don't go touting that my Opinion is the truth. I feel TDK hands down is superior to Black Panther. I think Logan is closer in quality to Black Panther , but still beats it by large margin. I have some problems with Logan, but I can appreciate the movie's Quality. I can appreciate the quality of God Father 1 and 2, but I would never call them any of my favorites. Rewatch-ability is hands down to Logan. What is your definition of Acclaimed and that of Prestigious? I gave you Websters . By the definition of the 2 words yes GotG and Iron-man is more prestigious and acclaimed. Without changing the dictionary definition of the word tell me how Winter Solider is more Acclaimed and Prestigious than GoTG and Iron-Man. Was Winter Soldier higher rated by audiences? Was Winter Soldier given more Acclaim and Respect by Critics? Did Winter Soldier earn more nomination/wins for awards? So your definition of CONFIRMED is an article that is speculating with the limited data we have? They have a question mark in the title and the first sentence says "AVENGERS 4 Endgame’s trailer seems to tease time travel to reverse Thanos’ Snap in Avengers Infinity War." Again the only people who can confirm that time travel is in the movie are: The Writers, Actors, Execs, and people who have seen the movie. And even if they confirm it doesn't mean it's true. The Russo's said that End Game wasn't the title. The actors shot multiple scripts/scenes, The Russo's also put misinformation in the IW trailer. Hulk fighting in Wakanda and Thanos fighting Captain America with only 2 stones. How can we trust anything about what the movie will be and what will be confirmed if you can't trust the Trailers or The Russos? I love Back To the Future, but the fading/dying was never suspenseful for me. The only thing that was suspenseful was what changes he made to the time line. Dude you have to be kidding. How is the ending to series of movies the ending to all the movies? So if I've never seen Logan or Days of Future Past and was just fixing to watch them, but was nervous if I would like DoFP ending being sad. If I asked you go ahead and spoil the ending to DoFP for me and Just DoFP. If you agreed would you say "Logan dies at the end and his clone daughter recites Shane at his grave?" or would you say "Logan saves the day, changes the past which erases much of X3." Words have meanings. The end of DoFP is the end of DoFP. The end of Logan is the end of Logan. And we don't know if New Mutants takes place in the main universe or if it's before or after the events of Logan. If it's not then the end of the Series is sad, but not the end of the previous movies because of the last one. Dude that tact won't work for me. Barring X3, Origins, and Apocalypse I love or like the other X-men Movies. I'm not some blind MCU Fan that thinks every MCU movie is better than any comicbook movie. Again learn Opinion vs Fact. Anybody I name as Complex and 3d as Mystique would just be my opinion. Just like it's your Opinion that Mystique is Complex and 3D. It would be Opinion vs Opinion. The layers of Mystique in the First Class generation of Xmen films. Abandon child who hates she's a mutant who comes to grips with her difference. Broken by losses she goes down a path of evil, but is saved by mercy. Consigned to fight for those who are different to the detriment to her soul finally comes to grip with what it means to be Mutant and Proud. A lesson that she thought she understood what it meant after her epiphany in FC. She finally understands the true nature of being proud of ones self viscerally. After taking that lesson truely to heart instead of fighting for people who are different she teaches others how to fight and be proud. Did I get that about right? The complexity and 3 dimension-ness isn't even because of Jennifer's performance. It would be the Writing. Writing creates character complexity and dimension. The actress has to just portray that naturally. You could have the worst actor in the world give a performance of the most complex character in the world and the character would still be complex. You could have the best actor in the world portray the least complex character ever written and unless he changes the dialogue, setting, action, etc he couldn't make the character more complex. Another reason we know about her complexity is we have seen an Arc of hers going from teenager to adult woman. This doesn't paint the MCU in a good light you are right. All that said even with her bad performance in DofP and Apocalypse her writing has given her a big arc and their isn't one to match in the MCU. LIke I said early I didn't read anything that puts her in the spotlight or anecdotally from people all over. I wouldn't say her inbetweenness is the cause of the complexity but the talent of the writers making her arc long and twisted. BTW I think Jennifer Lawrence is a great actor. Like me and charzhino were talking about a bit ago I think the grueling nature of the makeup started the decent. In the beginning her being young and willing to put up with it helped her performance in FC. After she blew up she got more disenchanted with he movies and the character. I forgot when he said the downward spiral started, but I think we agreed it started in DoFP I don't want to put words in his mouth tho. Yup, I'm not ashamed of liking IW. And I had more enjoyment and emotional response to it than DoFP. The pay off was better. I like how IW is really Thanos' story. I like how it ended on a series of down notes. James Cameron who loved avengers? and was quoted as such? In the end it's just your opinion that DOFP is Better. You can't prove a subjective stance as objective. You aren't the de facto judge of movies who opinions are facts. Who called it the best since was it a critic? Do those count only when you agree with them? Was it just someone else in the business? I would like to talk to de facto Judge of Movies out there who's opinions are facts if it's not you. who called one of the worst movies of the year? Was it a critic that you agreed with? Do only those critics count? Seems you had a problem with me using the respect they gave to GotG and Iron-man when you didn't agree. Does Acclaim only count when critic agrees with you? Woah you have quotes from filmmakers that hated IW. Can you post the lot here I'd like to see them. So are they the de facto judge that their opinions get spun into golden facts? So audience don't count when they acclaim and praise movies you don't like, but when they agree with you they count? So we can all get it straight tell us the rules succinctly. When do critics, filmmakers, audience scores count and when they don't. Spin the Oscars as much as you want. When and if BP gets nominated. Expect laughs, cringe worthy factor , backlash and ridiculed and not one person saying it was deserved apart from the mcu fanatics. That is fact. So Ledger on 50% merit. Black panther on 0% merit. Sounds accurate.
I think you are right there will be a backlash if nominated. I also think there will be a backlash if it's not. We will never know which will be bigger though because only 1 can happen. I will react with a amused smile if it is nominated. Not because I think it should, though. There are some guys that are in the same weekly Golf Scramble Tourny. I don't ever actually play with them, but they are in the betting group. (there's about 40 of us and I make damn sure that I am not in the same group teeing off. And I absolutely love it when I beat them.) Since the shoulder break I can't really play well any more but I still try. Also we all play cards in the club house when it rains. And I love taking their money there. If BP gets nominated these fuckers will loose their collective shit. They call Colin Kapernick and BP N***** Jesus. I will enjoy seeing them contort in impotent racial rage. I'm going to need a citation for this statement. For something to be deemed awful on that big of stage it should be easy to find. There are 10,000's of people in the World of Film Artistry. If it's so wide spread that the MCU is decried as awful it would have to be at least half the people in and around the world of film. I wouldn't even ask for that much. How about a citation showing 1% of these people. Lets say a conservative estimate of people in that world, actors, directors, writers, producers, lights, cinematographers, camera, makeup, fx, not to mention journalists and critics would be around 50,000 world wide. So 500 examples should be easy to find. Oh so you just changed the definition. You kept one sorta to show respect, but you nixed the easily testable actual definitions for some abstract concepts that you came up with. I just went crazy and just looked up the commonly accept definitions: to praise, to show respect, to admire and to approve. It's easy to quantify the actual definitions of the words. You just have to look at what people say and rate a movie be it the general audience, critics, or people who judge award ceremonies. If you actually use the dictionaries definition you can see that Winter Soldier isn't the most prestigious or acclaimed. Question how do you quantify your abstract definitions for acclaim and prestigious. Of course I am going to wait and see. We've had one trailer. There's not enough data to even fairly speculate yet. I speculate now it might be Time Travel or Dimension/Multivers Hopping which kind of result in the same thing.The big question here is you said Confirmed. Words have meanings. The link you used as your proof of Confirmation had a question mark in title and in the first sentence used the verb seems. This is not confirmation. That is speculation on a very small sample size. The only people who can confirm time travel is the Writers, Directors, Actors and people who have seen it. As none of them have spoken about it. It hasn't been confirmed. And with the Russo's and Marvel Studios Track record even official confirmation is subject to skepticism. The Russo's straight up said that the title of the the 4th movie wasn't said in any MCU movie. And End Game was used at least 2 times. In AoU and Infinity War. Also The trailer can't be trusted. The Studios intentionally put Hulk in the woods running with the avengers in Wakanda for IW. This wasn't in the movie and was a fake out. When Thanos is tying to crush Captain America they intentionally only put 2 stones on the gauntlet. Don't take this the wrong way because I'm not trying to be mean but is English your first language? With the misspelling, grammar issues, and not using the proper definition of words some times I wonder. It's not bad if it is or isn't I was just curious. I loved Back to the Future. During the last half of 80's to about 91, my mom would use the Gem Theater as a baby sitter. It was a second run theater that played older movies a ridiculous long time. I'm talking months. It was one of those Art Deco style single theaters small towns had. It was a 1 dollar to get in and the refreshments were reasonable too. 1.50 for large Coke, 2.50 for large popcorn, 60c for candy. If you bought all 3 you got 75c off. I saw Throw Mama from the Train, Kindergarten Cop, Abyss, Back to the Future, Crocodile Dundee, Flight of the Navigator, Short Circuit, Alane Quartermain and the Lost City of Gold, Romancing the Stone, Rocky 4 each like 30 times a pop. Hell I've driven a Delorean. It was just in a mall parking lot but it still counts. I used to have 2 great collections. (I tend to collect things, recently its novels, ancient video games, old computers, etc) The 2 collections that started me off was 1:18 scale diecast cars and Magic the Gathering. I started both while running a nerd store back in my college days. The diecast were all movie/pop culture related. I had 2 BTTF Deloreans one with Mr. Fusion and the Wild West one. Never could snag the first movies diecast. I had: Dragula, Mystery Machine, General Lee, Knight Rider, Ecto 1, Christine, Mach 5, F and and 2 differnt Batmobiles. I'm forgetting a ton of them. My Magic the Gathering rare collection was even better. I had every dragons from Unlimited's to 8th edition Core Set and Dark Steel expansion. The Unlimited Shivan Dragon alone was worth 250 Bucks. The Portal Zodiac Dragon english version was worth like 200. Not to mention the duel lands I had from Unlimited. All told those lands were worth around 1200 bux. My then girlfriend in 2004 now ex-wife. Got into a jam with medical bills and was going to be evicted. So I had to sell them quick. If I piecemealed them out I probably could've gotten $500 for the diecast and $6500 for the Magic cards. I couldn't so I took a hit on both. I got around 40% for the diecasts and 30% for the Magic cards. How does the WAFFLE repay me? 5 years later after we were married she cheated on me with my middle brother. (the one I don't talk about) She then left me for him. It's surprising the Stripper I dated before my Ex wife had more morals than her. I would love to have the two BTTF cars, but I really miss that MTG collection. I shot right off the rails. Sorry. I don't know any other way I can prove I love Back to the Future. I even like the 2nd one which I feel is the weakest of the 3. Even though they are shitty I have 2 of the NES games for BTTF by JLN on a list at the local games shop.Those movies should never be rebooted, reimaged, etc. Just because someone doesn't react the same way you do at a bit of fiction, doesn't mean they are lying. It just means they reacted differently. I agreed with you on this. There hasn't been a female character in the MCU that has had the same type of Arc that Mystique has. See this is the problem the bold section. Good or bad are subjective judgement they totally depend on the person opinion. You can modify the sentence to be pure fact. "I have an opinion about BP. It had bad cgi since I factually saw the movie." That is a factual statement about your opinion. You had an opinion on a piece of artwork after you watched it. Saying you saw the movie with bad cgi is a opinion. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive you know? Jennifer Lawrence could have bad performances and MCU actress not have complete performances that are better. It's a crap situation. I think the talent is there and their are moments with the actresses in MCU that shows they can shine. They just haven't done it consistently enough. Scarlet has had good moments, but I can't say she has had a 100% knockout complete performance. Elizabeth Olsen, Lupita Nyong'o, Letitia Wright, and Zoe Saldana have shown promise, but again nothing break out. I would say Zoe had the closest, but her performance is drowned out in slapstick comedy. You can look at some of the conversations I had with charzhino to see my comments about how good of an Actress I think she is. Her performance in The Winter's Bone is excellent, but the movie that takes the cake is Silver Linings Playbook. That movie will always have special place in my mind. Her performance there was spectacular. I just don't think she and the Mystique character meshed well even as far back as First Class. It's not that noticeable in First Class because she had the hungry drive of a young actress climbing the ladder. This extra effort masked any incongruities the actress and the character had. You can see in DoFP where she starts to try less and separate from the character more. I don't know if it was the makeup that drained her. That has to be part of it because as the movies went on there were less scenes with her in it. Also by Apocalypse they didn't even do the full body makeup. They invented a blue sock/hoisery body suit with the scales on it. Just her hands and face were done with make up. They also minimized the detail of the make up each movie after FC. Each movie it went further away from the Rebecca makeup style. I've said it before but just by her interviews you can tell she is displeased with the character. She has publicly dissed Fox's X-men. Talking to MTV during Passengers Press. in December 2016 “I would love to,” Lawrence said when asked about appearing in the “Guardians” universe. “I would choose that over doing another ‘X-Men’ movie maybe,” she laughed. “I won’t be Mystique in the ‘X-Men’ movies, but I would love to be Mystique in ‘Guardians of the Galaxy.’ I wonder if I could do that,” she said. A year later December 2017 she said she "fucked herself" when her friend Simon Kinberg used her involvement in Dark Phoenix to get the Directing job. She told him she'd do it even though she was done with her contract, but only if he directed. So he used that commitment to snag the Directors roll. A few months later she rolled back her "Fucked Myself" quote and said she was doing it for the fans. The thing is it can't be just the paint because as it's gotten less less intrusive her commitment to the character has gotten less. Also she wouldn't say she Play Mystique for Marvel but Not for Fox if it was just the paint. With that insight can't you see how she stopped caring pretty soon after she got the role? See above. Jlaw was saved by her dwindling commitment to the part by deft writing. I don't know if we just haven't had a young character to older character like Mystique in the MCU yet to show how much she's grown. I would say Gamora and Nebula is the closest. Again the comedy outshines them. I like the way Scarlet Witch is developing. Going from tragedy to tragedy. I guess I'm the exception. I've been reading comics from around 92 on ward. I have become completely slack in going out and buying collections/graphic novels. I just don't have the time to hunt down individual books so I like to grab them all bound together. A friend of mine in schools started bringing in his books around 92. I was starved for entertainment as my family hit a rough patch. I don't want to go into it, but we were an eyelash away from being homeless and was on food stamps. The only 2 outlets I had were books from the library (which I couldn't always get as it was a waste of gas and if I incurred a late fee, even at 15c actually effected our bill paying ability) and Wayne letting me borrowing his comic books. We had sold the tv and vcr. We had to rely on relatives for hand me down clothes and we all earned money some how. It was a hard lesson to learn, but I'm glad I learned it. So comics were really important to me. Luckily that bad patch only lasted about a year and half. The bad patch also made me appreciate movies much more so. If you go from watching countless movies at the cheap theater and on vhs to nothing then you also see how important entertainment is to keeping your sanity. I've said why the deaths in DoFP didn't effect me so no reason to hash that back out. I also explained why I don't have as high of an Opinion on DoFP too. It's not the deaths thats the dramatic scene it's the moments before and during the deaths that effect me. I just think IW had more moments than DoFP Again that's his opinion. I don't value Cameron's opinion any more than I value my brothers. I would ask for another citation for "critcs, film makers, audiences. hm, what is with all the talk that comic movies have ruined cinema?" as it pertains to MCU. I'm not though the 500 people I asked above would be applicable to this statement too. Speilberg isn't some great psychic. All genre's ebb and flow. Yes there will be a time with this Golden Age of Comic Book movies will peter out. It will never truely end. Just like Westerns never truely ended. The supply gets lower and usually the only ones you hear about is the great ones. That will happen eventually to Comic Book Genre. I like how the Marvel Studios is trying to curtail it though. They make sub-genres to the Comic Book Genre. James Bond type movie with 16 year old Q Black Panther, Heist Movie with Ant-man, teenage John Hughes film with Homecoming, Political Thriller with Winter Solider, fun Buddy Road trip movie with Ragnarok, Psychedelic Martial Arts movie in Doctor Strange, Poppy Space Opera/Fantasy/Adventure with GotG, and Thor sword and sorcery genre. I like to see WB hop on this train too. And I think they have started to. Looks like like Shazaam is shaping up to be the classic body swap/ body change comedy. They were big in the 80's. Sorry for the pun. This should help keep the Genre from getting too stale. Finally the bold text. I don't why you are so hung up on the amount of CGI in IW. There is no way to have 30+ characters all with differing degree of superpowers, suits, etc in far flung worlds and space and not have that high of a %. There would be no practical way to do the effects with that many characters. And for the most part it wouldn't look as good as with the CGI. It would cost more and take oodles of more time. Think about it. Every scene that a fully CGI'ed character is in is a CGI shot. They don't even have to be the focal point of the scene. They could be twiddling their thumbs in the background. There are 11 fully cgi'ed characters. The look of these characters dictate cgi. Thanos,The Outriders, Rocket, Groot, Wraith Red Skull, Hulk/Banner/Hulk Buster, Proxima Midnight, Ebony Mall, Cull Obsidian, and Corvus Glaive and Hollogram Sec. Ross. I looked up the time for these 11 taking into account when they were on the screen with another cgi character you come with a n estimate of 63 minutes of the movie which is 2hr and 40m long, that are CGI shots just because one of these characters are in the scene. That's roughly 39% of the movie. Now there are characters that are only partially touched up with cgi or their suits are cgied. Again this was done because to get the pratical to look good it would take too much time and money. Like Mantis and her antennae. So Ironman, Mantis, Vision, Starlord (mask), Spiderman , Black Panther, Nebula (Karen Gillian complained along side Sebastian Stan about the cgi sock they have to wear for the robotic arm cgi. They had to use KY to get it on) Bucky,Dr. Strange War Machine, and Falcon. These 11 when they are on camera most of the time they are suited up. To come up with an estimate for their scenes when they aren't using their powers and not sharing a scene with someone else suited up or sharing the scene wit a fully cgi'd character is harder to do. After going through the minutes of each character and trying to nix those 2 other variables I came to the conservative estimate of 36 minutes. Another 23% of screen time with just them suited up not fighting or using powers. That's 62% of the movie right there. No one has even used their powers yet. And again I reiterate there is no way they could've done these suits and creatures practically, look good, come at budget, and come on time. I'm not going to go through an look at the amount of time they spent on other worlds and in space then minus out the scenes with a cgi on the characters, or the use of powers in a fight. That the rest of the 34% is the little bit of space, scenery, but the last major use is the fights and use of powers. To me 34% isn't that big of a number when you are talking about Comic Book fights/powers. The 96% is just the answer to having that many superheroes and super villains in a 2hr and 40m movie. I would actually believe that there were some kind of CGI in each scene, be it ever so small. I would say 100% is plausible. If you going to have that amount of characters that have suits, powers and fights there is no way around it unless you want to double the production time and double the 500 million dollar budget.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Dec 29, 2018 7:57:21 GMT
Do you ever get bored making these types of threads? Honestly the more you make them the more pathetic you appear, is your whole purpose in life to try and make everybody think the MCU is bad and that the majority of non-Marvel produced Marvel movies are unquestionably great and free of any criticisms?
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Post by summers8 on Dec 29, 2018 8:26:14 GMT
Spin the Oscars as much as you want. When and if BP gets nominated. Expect laughs, cringe worthy factor , backlash and ridiculed and not one person saying it was deserved apart from the mcu fanatics. That is fact. So Ledger on 50% merit. Black panther on 0% merit. Sounds accurate.
I think you are right there will be a backlash if nominated. I also think there will be a backlash if it's not. We will never know which will be bigger though because only 1 can happen. I will react with a amused smile if it is nominated. Not because I think it should, though. There are some guys that are in the same weekly Golf Scramble Tourny. I don't ever actually play with them, but they are in the betting group. (there's about 40 of us and I make damn sure that I am not in the same group teeing off. And I absolutely love it when I beat them.) Since the shoulder break I can't really play well any more but I still try. Also we all play cards in the club house when it rains. And I love taking their money there. If BP gets nominated these fuckers will loose their collective shit. They call Colin Kapernick and BP N***** Jesus. I will enjoy seeing them contort in impotent racial rage. I'm going to need a citation for this statement. For something to be deemed awful on that big of stage it should be easy to find. There are 10,000's of people in the World of Film Artistry. If it's so wide spread that the MCU is decried as awful it would have to be at least half the people in and around the world of film. I wouldn't even ask for that much. How about a citation showing 1% of these people. Lets say a conservative estimate of people in that world, actors, directors, writers, producers, lights, cinematographers, camera, makeup, fx, not to mention journalists and critics would be around 50,000 world wide. So 500 examples should be easy to find. Oh so you just changed the definition. You kept one sorta to show respect, but you nixed the easily testable actual definitions for some abstract concepts that you came up with. I just went crazy and just looked up the commonly accept definitions: to praise, to show respect, to admire and to approve. It's easy to quantify the actual definitions of the words. You just have to look at what people say and rate a movie be it the general audience, critics, or people who judge award ceremonies. If you actually use the dictionaries definition you can see that Winter Soldier isn't the most prestigious or acclaimed. Question how do you quantify your abstract definitions for acclaim and prestigious. Of course I am going to wait and see. We've had one trailer. There's not enough data to even fairly speculate yet. I speculate now it might be Time Travel or Dimension/Multivers Hopping which kind of result in the same thing.The big question here is you said Confirmed. Words have meanings. The link you used as your proof of Confirmation had a question mark in title and in the first sentence used the verb seems. This is not confirmation. That is speculation on a very small sample size. The only people who can confirm time travel is the Writers, Directors, Actors and people who have seen it. As none of them have spoken about it. It hasn't been confirmed. And with the Russo's and Marvel Studios Track record even official confirmation is subject to skepticism. The Russo's straight up said that the title of the the 4th movie wasn't said in any MCU movie. And End Game was used at least 2 times. In AoU and Infinity War. Also The trailer can't be trusted. The Studios intentionally put Hulk in the woods running with the avengers in Wakanda for IW. This wasn't in the movie and was a fake out. When Thanos is tying to crush Captain America they intentionally only put 2 stones on the gauntlet. Don't take this the wrong way because I'm not trying to be mean but is English your first language? With the misspelling, grammar issues, and not using the proper definition of words some times I wonder. It's not bad if it is or isn't I was just curious. I loved Back to the Future. During the last half of 80's to about 91, my mom would use the Gem Theater as a baby sitter. It was a second run theater that played older movies a ridiculous long time. I'm talking months. It was one of those Art Deco style single theaters small towns had. It was a 1 dollar to get in and the refreshments were reasonable too. 1.50 for large Coke, 2.50 for large popcorn, 60c for candy. If you bought all 3 you got 75c off. I saw Throw Mama from the Train, Kindergarten Cop, Abyss, Back to the Future, Crocodile Dundee, Flight of the Navigator, Short Circuit, Alane Quartermain and the Lost City of Gold, Romancing the Stone, Rocky 4 each like 30 times a pop. Hell I've driven a Delorean. It was just in a mall parking lot but it still counts. I used to have 2 great collections. (I tend to collect things, recently its novels, ancient video games, old computers, etc) The 2 collections that started me off was 1:18 scale diecast cars and Magic the Gathering. I started both while running a nerd store back in my college days. The diecast were all movie/pop culture related. I had 2 BTTF Deloreans one with Mr. Fusion and the Wild West one. Never could snag the first movies diecast. I had: Dragula, Mystery Machine, General Lee, Knight Rider, Ecto 1, Christine, Mach 5, F and and 2 differnt Batmobiles. I'm forgetting a ton of them. My Magic the Gathering rare collection was even better. I had every dragons from Unlimited's to 8th edition Core Set and Dark Steel expansion. The Unlimited Shivan Dragon alone was worth 250 Bucks. The Portal Zodiac Dragon english version was worth like 200. Not to mention the duel lands I had from Unlimited. All told those lands were worth around 1200 bux. My then girlfriend in 2004 now ex-wife. Got into a jam with medical bills and was going to be evicted. So I had to sell them quick. If I piecemealed them out I probably could've gotten $500 for the diecast and $6500 for the Magic cards. I couldn't so I took a hit on both. I got around 40% for the diecasts and 30% for the Magic cards. How does the WAFFLE repay me? 5 years later after we were married she cheated on me with my middle brother. (the one I don't talk about) She then left me for him. It's surprising the Stripper I dated before my Ex wife had more morals than her. I would love to have the two BTTF cars, but I really miss that MTG collection. I shot right off the rails. Sorry. I don't know any other way I can prove I love Back to the Future. I even like the 2nd one which I feel is the weakest of the 3. Even though they are shitty I have 2 of the NES games for BTTF by JLN on a list at the local games shop.Those movies should never be rebooted, reimaged, etc. Just because someone doesn't react the same way you do at a bit of fiction, doesn't mean they are lying. It just means they reacted differently. I agreed with you on this. There hasn't been a female character in the MCU that has had the same type of Arc that Mystique has. See this is the problem the bold section. Good or bad are subjective judgement they totally depend on the person opinion. You can modify the sentence to be pure fact. "I have an opinion about BP. It had bad cgi since I factually saw the movie." That is a factual statement about your opinion. You had an opinion on a piece of artwork after you watched it. Saying you saw the movie with bad cgi is a opinion. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive you know? Jennifer Lawrence could have bad performances and MCU actress not have complete performances that are better. It's a crap situation. I think the talent is there and their are moments with the actresses in MCU that shows they can shine. They just haven't done it consistently enough. Scarlet has had good moments, but I can't say she has had a 100% knockout complete performance. Elizabeth Olsen, Lupita Nyong'o, Letitia Wright, and Zoe Saldana have shown promise, but again nothing break out. I would say Zoe had the closest, but her performance is drowned out in slapstick comedy. You can look at some of the conversations I had with charzhino to see my comments about how good of an Actress I think she is. Her performance in The Winter's Bone is excellent, but the movie that takes the cake is Silver Linings Playbook. That movie will always have special place in my mind. Her performance there was spectacular. I just don't think she and the Mystique character meshed well even as far back as First Class. It's not that noticeable in First Class because she had the hungry drive of a young actress climbing the ladder. This extra effort masked any incongruities the actress and the character had. You can see in DoFP where she starts to try less and separate from the character more. I don't know if it was the makeup that drained her. That has to be part of it because as the movies went on there were less scenes with her in it. Also by Apocalypse they didn't even do the full body makeup. They invented a blue sock/hoisery body suit with the scales on it. Just her hands and face were done with make up. They also minimized the detail of the make up each movie after FC. Each movie it went further away from the Rebecca makeup style. I've said it before but just by her interviews you can tell she is displeased with the character. She has publicly dissed Fox's X-men. Talking to MTV during Passengers Press. in December 2016 “I would love to,” Lawrence said when asked about appearing in the “Guardians” universe. “I would choose that over doing another ‘X-Men’ movie maybe,” she laughed. “I won’t be Mystique in the ‘X-Men’ movies, but I would love to be Mystique in ‘Guardians of the Galaxy.’ I wonder if I could do that,” she said. A year later December 2017 she said she "fucked herself" when her friend Simon Kinberg used her involvement in Dark Phoenix to get the Directing job. She told him she'd do it even though she was done with her contract, but only if he directed. So he used that commitment to snag the Directors roll. A few months later she rolled back her "Fucked Myself" quote and said she was doing it for the fans. The thing is it can't be just the paint because as it's gotten less less intrusive her commitment to the character has gotten less. Also she wouldn't say she Play Mystique for Marvel but Not for Fox if it was just the paint. With that insight can't you see how she stopped caring pretty soon after she got the role? See above. Jlaw was saved by her dwindling commitment to the part by deft writing. I don't know if we just haven't had a young character to older character like Mystique in the MCU yet to show how much she's grown. I would say Gamora and Nebula is the closest. Again the comedy outshines them. I like the way Scarlet Witch is developing. Going from tragedy to tragedy. I guess I'm the exception. I've been reading comics from around 92 on ward. I have become completely slack in going out and buying collections/graphic novels. I just don't have the time to hunt down individual books so I like to grab them all bound together. A friend of mine in schools started bringing in his books around 92. I was starved for entertainment as my family hit a rough patch. I don't want to go into it, but we were an eyelash away from being homeless and was on food stamps. The only 2 outlets I had were books from the library (which I couldn't always get as it was a waste of gas and if I incurred a late fee, even at 15c actually effected our bill paying ability) and Wayne letting me borrowing his comic books. We had sold the tv and vcr. We had to rely on relatives for hand me down clothes and we all earned money some how. It was a hard lesson to learn, but I'm glad I learned it. So comics were really important to me. Luckily that bad patch only lasted about a year and half. The bad patch also made me appreciate movies much more so. If you go from watching countless movies at the cheap theater and on vhs to nothing then you also see how important entertainment is to keeping your sanity. I've said why the deaths in DoFP didn't effect me so no reason to hash that back out. I also explained why I don't have as high of an Opinion on DoFP too. It's not the deaths thats the dramatic scene it's the moments before and during the deaths that effect me. I just think IW had more moments than DoFP Again that's his opinion. I don't value Cameron's opinion any more than I value my brothers. I would ask for another citation for "critcs, film makers, audiences. hm, what is with all the talk that comic movies have ruined cinema?" as it pertains to MCU. I'm not though the 500 people I asked above would be applicable to this statement too. Speilberg isn't some great psychic. All genre's ebb and flow. Yes there will be a time with this Golden Age of Comic Book movies will peter out. It will never truely end. Just like Westerns never truely ended. The supply gets lower and usually the only ones you hear about is the great ones. That will happen eventually to Comic Book Genre. I like how the Marvel Studios is trying to curtail it though. They make sub-genres to the Comic Book Genre. James Bond type movie with 16 year old Q Black Panther, Heist Movie with Ant-man, teenage John Hughes film with Homecoming, Political Thriller with Winter Solider, fun Buddy Road trip movie with Ragnarok, Psychedelic Martial Arts movie in Doctor Strange, Poppy Space Opera/Fantasy/Adventure with GotG, and Thor sword and sorcery genre. I like to see WB hop on this train too. And I think they have started to. Looks like like Shazaam is shaping up to be the classic body swap/ body change comedy. They were big in the 80's. Sorry for the pun. This should help keep the Genre from getting too stale. Finally the bold text. I don't why you are so hung up on the amount of CGI in IW. There is no way to have 30+ characters all with differing degree of superpowers, suits, etc in far flung worlds and space and not have that high of a %. There would be no practical way to do the effects with that many characters. And for the most part it wouldn't look as good as with the CGI. It would cost more and take oodles of more time. Think about it. Every scene that a fully CGI'ed character is in is a CGI shot. They don't even have to be the focal point of the scene. They could be twiddling their thumbs in the background. There are 11 fully cgi'ed characters. The look of these characters dictate cgi. Thanos,The Outriders, Rocket, Groot, Wraith Red Skull, Hulk/Banner/Hulk Buster, Proxima Midnight, Ebony Mall, Cull Obsidian, and Corvus Glaive and Hollogram Sec. Ross. I looked up the time for these 11 taking into account when they were on the screen with another cgi character you come with a n estimate of 63 minutes of the movie which is 2hr and 40m long, that are CGI shots just because one of these characters are in the scene. That's roughly 39% of the movie. Now there are characters that are only partially touched up with cgi or their suits are cgied. Again this was done because to get the pratical to look good it would take too much time and money. Like Mantis and her antennae. So Ironman, Mantis, Vision, Starlord (mask), Spiderman , Black Panther, Nebula (Karen Gillian complained along side Sebastian Stan about the cgi sock they have to wear for the robotic arm cgi. They had to use KY to get it on) Bucky,Dr. Strange War Machine, and Falcon. These 11 when they are on camera most of the time they are suited up. To come up with an estimate for their scenes when they aren't using their powers and not sharing a scene with someone else suited up or sharing the scene wit a fully cgi'd character is harder to do. After going through the minutes of each character and trying to nix those 2 other variables I came to the conservative estimate of 36 minutes. Another 23% of screen time with just them suited up not fighting or using powers. That's 62% of the movie right there. No one has even used their powers yet. And again I reiterate there is no way they could've done these suits and creatures practically, look good, come at budget, and come on time. I'm not going to go through an look at the amount of time they spent on other worlds and in space then minus out the scenes with a cgi on the characters, or the use of powers in a fight. That the rest of the 34% is the little bit of space, scenery, but the last major use is the fights and use of powers. To me 34% isn't that big of a number when you are talking about Comic Book fights/powers. The 96% is just the answer to having that many superheroes and super villains in a 2hr and 40m movie. I would actually believe that there were some kind of CGI in each scene, be it ever so small. I would say 100% is plausible. If you going to have that amount of characters that have suits, powers and fights there is no way around it unless you want to double the production time and double the 500 million dollar budget. You just confirmed when I said only mcu fanantics wil be the only people who will smile if if gets nominated, the rest of the world will be on the cringe factor and will not take it seriously. Mcu fans you guys know you don’t earn anything.
As long as MCU movies are seen as dumb movies for the masses they will always been seen as awful not to be taken seriously. That is the point. The variety critic who called IW one of the worst films of 2018, notice he applied his intellect and even said it is stupid of people to blow up planets and laugh it off? So when critics praise mcu as dumb fun, in the serious sense they know they are awful if they had to use their brains to review mcu movies. That is why you can compare the reviews of mcu movies to say batman begins or X2. Critics intellect seems to show more when they review those films unlike mcu movies. Winter Solider is still the most prestigious MCU movie because it is the only mcu movie that is brought up to defend the argument not all mcu movies are generic childish stupid entertainment. I have never heard any mcu fan try and argue with iron man and gotg when a dc fan brings up TDK or an xmen fans brings up DOFP. They always argue with winter solider. If you think GOTG a jokey idiotic toy commercial movie where the hero asked the villain for a dance off is the most famous scene in the film or iron man 1 that TDK more than destroyed in 2008 is more prestigious than winter solider becuae of stupid things like rt and imdb. Then I feel sorry for the MCU. While you say wait and see, tell me, has Disney ever come out and said we are going to change their formula? And we can now make movies like TDK, DOFP , X2 or Logan or into the spiderverse? If they haven't than please expect more useless dumb comic films for captian marvel and mcu xmen.
I will just keep it short. Back to the future is a superior film to infinity war on every level. You already lost when you tried to make the argument there was more emotional core in infinity war than watching marty disappear. Please we know how mcu fans love to argue mcu movies are better than everything else. Next they will tell me black panther is better than 12 years a slave.LMAO The best way to settle the jlaw debate. Her arc in first class and DOFP are superior to any other mcu actors. It is not jlaw’ fault that mcu actors are lacking because mcu has week scripts . You cant attack jlaw all you want it wont change anything that when she is at her best in xmen, she disgraces all the other mcu actors. The deaths in DOFP cannot affect you more because that will mean you have to admit the obvious that DOFP was a superior movie. Wait did you say IW had mote moments than DOFP? Really?
And there are plenty more scenes to choose from.Also please see the cinematography of DOFP. Its grounded and looks real. infinity war looks like a cartoon or a play station game. so its is hard to see humanity in it.
see that is factually impossible that IW had more moments. because DOFP is a drama. film Logic dictates a pure cgi action film cant have more moments. That is contradictory to screen writing so keep lying to yourself to savage what is left of such a terrible film like IW. at this point. you are lying something mcu fans do all the time.
MCU fans don’t like to listen to film makers. Its funny, you don’t value jaems Cameron opinions that was sound and reasonable but you value people on imdb with sock accounts voting about films with fanboy minds? See this is why mcu movies are a joke. Lol. Doesn’t value what someone like Cameron says who has made some of the great artistic film block busters but values useless critics on rt giving mcu movies a pass because it has bright colours and is fun yet you ignore when Cameron who gave a perfect logical reason why GOTG is an awful movie compared to interstellar and gravity. Men, I am embarrassed on your behalf. I never knew it was this okay to celebrate liking dumb things when you have a free opportunity to like more intellectual things. Sorry but I will take intellectual over dumb. That goes a long long way.
LOTR 3 had as much CGI, funny LOTR 3 still managed to be a powerful compelling drama, wonder why infinity war is so inferior to LOTR 3
remember when jodi forster slammed comic films with their 500 million budget just to open themes park in the end? thanks for proving her right. IW is not even a real movie. its a toy commercial. if you want a real comic film. try X-Men 1 or Batman Begins.
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 29, 2018 12:58:07 GMT
I think you are right there will be a backlash if nominated. I also think there will be a backlash if it's not. We will never know which will be bigger though because only 1 can happen. I will react with a amused smile if it is nominated. Not because I think it should, though. There are some guys that are in the same weekly Golf Scramble Tourny. I don't ever actually play with them, but they are in the betting group. (there's about 40 of us and I make damn sure that I am not in the same group teeing off. And I absolutely love it when I beat them.) Since the shoulder break I can't really play well any more but I still try. Also we all play cards in the club house when it rains. And I love taking their money there. If BP gets nominated these fuckers will loose their collective shit. They call Colin Kapernick and BP N***** Jesus. I will enjoy seeing them contort in impotent racial rage. I'm going to need a citation for this statement. For something to be deemed awful on that big of stage it should be easy to find. There are 10,000's of people in the World of Film Artistry. If it's so wide spread that the MCU is decried as awful it would have to be at least half the people in and around the world of film. I wouldn't even ask for that much. How about a citation showing 1% of these people. Lets say a conservative estimate of people in that world, actors, directors, writers, producers, lights, cinematographers, camera, makeup, fx, not to mention journalists and critics would be around 50,000 world wide. So 500 examples should be easy to find. Oh so you just changed the definition. You kept one sorta to show respect, but you nixed the easily testable actual definitions for some abstract concepts that you came up with. I just went crazy and just looked up the commonly accept definitions: to praise, to show respect, to admire and to approve. It's easy to quantify the actual definitions of the words. You just have to look at what people say and rate a movie be it the general audience, critics, or people who judge award ceremonies. If you actually use the dictionaries definition you can see that Winter Soldier isn't the most prestigious or acclaimed. Question how do you quantify your abstract definitions for acclaim and prestigious. Of course I am going to wait and see. We've had one trailer. There's not enough data to even fairly speculate yet. I speculate now it might be Time Travel or Dimension/Multivers Hopping which kind of result in the same thing.The big question here is you said Confirmed. Words have meanings. The link you used as your proof of Confirmation had a question mark in title and in the first sentence used the verb seems. This is not confirmation. That is speculation on a very small sample size. The only people who can confirm time travel is the Writers, Directors, Actors and people who have seen it. As none of them have spoken about it. It hasn't been confirmed. And with the Russo's and Marvel Studios Track record even official confirmation is subject to skepticism. The Russo's straight up said that the title of the the 4th movie wasn't said in any MCU movie. And End Game was used at least 2 times. In AoU and Infinity War. Also The trailer can't be trusted. The Studios intentionally put Hulk in the woods running with the avengers in Wakanda for IW. This wasn't in the movie and was a fake out. When Thanos is tying to crush Captain America they intentionally only put 2 stones on the gauntlet. Don't take this the wrong way because I'm not trying to be mean but is English your first language? With the misspelling, grammar issues, and not using the proper definition of words some times I wonder. It's not bad if it is or isn't I was just curious. I loved Back to the Future. During the last half of 80's to about 91, my mom would use the Gem Theater as a baby sitter. It was a second run theater that played older movies a ridiculous long time. I'm talking months. It was one of those Art Deco style single theaters small towns had. It was a 1 dollar to get in and the refreshments were reasonable too. 1.50 for large Coke, 2.50 for large popcorn, 60c for candy. If you bought all 3 you got 75c off. I saw Throw Mama from the Train, Kindergarten Cop, Abyss, Back to the Future, Crocodile Dundee, Flight of the Navigator, Short Circuit, Alane Quartermain and the Lost City of Gold, Romancing the Stone, Rocky 4 each like 30 times a pop. Hell I've driven a Delorean. It was just in a mall parking lot but it still counts. I used to have 2 great collections. (I tend to collect things, recently its novels, ancient video games, old computers, etc) The 2 collections that started me off was 1:18 scale diecast cars and Magic the Gathering. I started both while running a nerd store back in my college days. The diecast were all movie/pop culture related. I had 2 BTTF Deloreans one with Mr. Fusion and the Wild West one. Never could snag the first movies diecast. I had: Dragula, Mystery Machine, General Lee, Knight Rider, Ecto 1, Christine, Mach 5, F and and 2 differnt Batmobiles. I'm forgetting a ton of them. My Magic the Gathering rare collection was even better. I had every dragons from Unlimited's to 8th edition Core Set and Dark Steel expansion. The Unlimited Shivan Dragon alone was worth 250 Bucks. The Portal Zodiac Dragon english version was worth like 200. Not to mention the duel lands I had from Unlimited. All told those lands were worth around 1200 bux. My then girlfriend in 2004 now ex-wife. Got into a jam with medical bills and was going to be evicted. So I had to sell them quick. If I piecemealed them out I probably could've gotten $500 for the diecast and $6500 for the Magic cards. I couldn't so I took a hit on both. I got around 40% for the diecasts and 30% for the Magic cards. How does the WAFFLE repay me? 5 years later after we were married she cheated on me with my middle brother. (the one I don't talk about) She then left me for him. It's surprising the Stripper I dated before my Ex wife had more morals than her. I would love to have the two BTTF cars, but I really miss that MTG collection. I shot right off the rails. Sorry. I don't know any other way I can prove I love Back to the Future. I even like the 2nd one which I feel is the weakest of the 3. Even though they are shitty I have 2 of the NES games for BTTF by JLN on a list at the local games shop.Those movies should never be rebooted, reimaged, etc. Just because someone doesn't react the same way you do at a bit of fiction, doesn't mean they are lying. It just means they reacted differently. I agreed with you on this. There hasn't been a female character in the MCU that has had the same type of Arc that Mystique has. See this is the problem the bold section. Good or bad are subjective judgement they totally depend on the person opinion. You can modify the sentence to be pure fact. "I have an opinion about BP. It had bad cgi since I factually saw the movie." That is a factual statement about your opinion. You had an opinion on a piece of artwork after you watched it. Saying you saw the movie with bad cgi is a opinion. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive you know? Jennifer Lawrence could have bad performances and MCU actress not have complete performances that are better. It's a crap situation. I think the talent is there and their are moments with the actresses in MCU that shows they can shine. They just haven't done it consistently enough. Scarlet has had good moments, but I can't say she has had a 100% knockout complete performance. Elizabeth Olsen, Lupita Nyong'o, Letitia Wright, and Zoe Saldana have shown promise, but again nothing break out. I would say Zoe had the closest, but her performance is drowned out in slapstick comedy. You can look at some of the conversations I had with charzhino to see my comments about how good of an Actress I think she is. Her performance in The Winter's Bone is excellent, but the movie that takes the cake is Silver Linings Playbook. That movie will always have special place in my mind. Her performance there was spectacular. I just don't think she and the Mystique character meshed well even as far back as First Class. It's not that noticeable in First Class because she had the hungry drive of a young actress climbing the ladder. This extra effort masked any incongruities the actress and the character had. You can see in DoFP where she starts to try less and separate from the character more. I don't know if it was the makeup that drained her. That has to be part of it because as the movies went on there were less scenes with her in it. Also by Apocalypse they didn't even do the full body makeup. They invented a blue sock/hoisery body suit with the scales on it. Just her hands and face were done with make up. They also minimized the detail of the make up each movie after FC. Each movie it went further away from the Rebecca makeup style. I've said it before but just by her interviews you can tell she is displeased with the character. She has publicly dissed Fox's X-men. Talking to MTV during Passengers Press. in December 2016 “I would love to,” Lawrence said when asked about appearing in the “Guardians” universe. “I would choose that over doing another ‘X-Men’ movie maybe,” she laughed. “I won’t be Mystique in the ‘X-Men’ movies, but I would love to be Mystique in ‘Guardians of the Galaxy.’ I wonder if I could do that,” she said. A year later December 2017 she said she "fucked herself" when her friend Simon Kinberg used her involvement in Dark Phoenix to get the Directing job. She told him she'd do it even though she was done with her contract, but only if he directed. So he used that commitment to snag the Directors roll. A few months later she rolled back her "Fucked Myself" quote and said she was doing it for the fans. The thing is it can't be just the paint because as it's gotten less less intrusive her commitment to the character has gotten less. Also she wouldn't say she Play Mystique for Marvel but Not for Fox if it was just the paint. With that insight can't you see how she stopped caring pretty soon after she got the role? See above. Jlaw was saved by her dwindling commitment to the part by deft writing. I don't know if we just haven't had a young character to older character like Mystique in the MCU yet to show how much she's grown. I would say Gamora and Nebula is the closest. Again the comedy outshines them. I like the way Scarlet Witch is developing. Going from tragedy to tragedy. I guess I'm the exception. I've been reading comics from around 92 on ward. I have become completely slack in going out and buying collections/graphic novels. I just don't have the time to hunt down individual books so I like to grab them all bound together. A friend of mine in schools started bringing in his books around 92. I was starved for entertainment as my family hit a rough patch. I don't want to go into it, but we were an eyelash away from being homeless and was on food stamps. The only 2 outlets I had were books from the library (which I couldn't always get as it was a waste of gas and if I incurred a late fee, even at 15c actually effected our bill paying ability) and Wayne letting me borrowing his comic books. We had sold the tv and vcr. We had to rely on relatives for hand me down clothes and we all earned money some how. It was a hard lesson to learn, but I'm glad I learned it. So comics were really important to me. Luckily that bad patch only lasted about a year and half. The bad patch also made me appreciate movies much more so. If you go from watching countless movies at the cheap theater and on vhs to nothing then you also see how important entertainment is to keeping your sanity. I've said why the deaths in DoFP didn't effect me so no reason to hash that back out. I also explained why I don't have as high of an Opinion on DoFP too. It's not the deaths thats the dramatic scene it's the moments before and during the deaths that effect me. I just think IW had more moments than DoFP Again that's his opinion. I don't value Cameron's opinion any more than I value my brothers. I would ask for another citation for "critcs, film makers, audiences. hm, what is with all the talk that comic movies have ruined cinema?" as it pertains to MCU. I'm not though the 500 people I asked above would be applicable to this statement too. Speilberg isn't some great psychic. All genre's ebb and flow. Yes there will be a time with this Golden Age of Comic Book movies will peter out. It will never truely end. Just like Westerns never truely ended. The supply gets lower and usually the only ones you hear about is the great ones. That will happen eventually to Comic Book Genre. I like how the Marvel Studios is trying to curtail it though. They make sub-genres to the Comic Book Genre. James Bond type movie with 16 year old Q Black Panther, Heist Movie with Ant-man, teenage John Hughes film with Homecoming, Political Thriller with Winter Solider, fun Buddy Road trip movie with Ragnarok, Psychedelic Martial Arts movie in Doctor Strange, Poppy Space Opera/Fantasy/Adventure with GotG, and Thor sword and sorcery genre. I like to see WB hop on this train too. And I think they have started to. Looks like like Shazaam is shaping up to be the classic body swap/ body change comedy. They were big in the 80's. Sorry for the pun. This should help keep the Genre from getting too stale. Finally the bold text. I don't why you are so hung up on the amount of CGI in IW. There is no way to have 30+ characters all with differing degree of superpowers, suits, etc in far flung worlds and space and not have that high of a %. There would be no practical way to do the effects with that many characters. And for the most part it wouldn't look as good as with the CGI. It would cost more and take oodles of more time. Think about it. Every scene that a fully CGI'ed character is in is a CGI shot. They don't even have to be the focal point of the scene. They could be twiddling their thumbs in the background. There are 11 fully cgi'ed characters. The look of these characters dictate cgi. Thanos,The Outriders, Rocket, Groot, Wraith Red Skull, Hulk/Banner/Hulk Buster, Proxima Midnight, Ebony Mall, Cull Obsidian, and Corvus Glaive and Hollogram Sec. Ross. I looked up the time for these 11 taking into account when they were on the screen with another cgi character you come with a n estimate of 63 minutes of the movie which is 2hr and 40m long, that are CGI shots just because one of these characters are in the scene. That's roughly 39% of the movie. Now there are characters that are only partially touched up with cgi or their suits are cgied. Again this was done because to get the pratical to look good it would take too much time and money. Like Mantis and her antennae. So Ironman, Mantis, Vision, Starlord (mask), Spiderman , Black Panther, Nebula (Karen Gillian complained along side Sebastian Stan about the cgi sock they have to wear for the robotic arm cgi. They had to use KY to get it on) Bucky,Dr. Strange War Machine, and Falcon. These 11 when they are on camera most of the time they are suited up. To come up with an estimate for their scenes when they aren't using their powers and not sharing a scene with someone else suited up or sharing the scene wit a fully cgi'd character is harder to do. After going through the minutes of each character and trying to nix those 2 other variables I came to the conservative estimate of 36 minutes. Another 23% of screen time with just them suited up not fighting or using powers. That's 62% of the movie right there. No one has even used their powers yet. And again I reiterate there is no way they could've done these suits and creatures practically, look good, come at budget, and come on time. I'm not going to go through an look at the amount of time they spent on other worlds and in space then minus out the scenes with a cgi on the characters, or the use of powers in a fight. That the rest of the 34% is the little bit of space, scenery, but the last major use is the fights and use of powers. To me 34% isn't that big of a number when you are talking about Comic Book fights/powers. The 96% is just the answer to having that many superheroes and super villains in a 2hr and 40m movie. I would actually believe that there were some kind of CGI in each scene, be it ever so small. I would say 100% is plausible. If you going to have that amount of characters that have suits, powers and fights there is no way around it unless you want to double the production time and double the 500 million dollar budget. You just confirmed when I said only mcu fanantics wil be the only people who will smile if if gets nominated, the rest of the world will be on the cringe factor and will not take it seriously. Mcu fans you guys know you don’t earn anything.
Even when I say that I don't think Black Panther doesn't deserve an oscar nomination, you are still pushing that people who like the MCU want it to get nominated. The only reason I will smile is because of the impotent rage racist ass holes will hate it. You telling me if you were around a racist asshole complaining about BP getting nominated you would smile or laugh in their face? It just sounds like you are trying to find an excuse to explain why critics like MCU and Fox's X-men. Like you need to discredit the positive reviews for MCU while still enjoying the positive reviews of X-men. Why does people's opinion matter so much to you? I'll say it for the upteenth hundred time. Positive reviews is just other peoples opinion. They don't determine if a movie is good. The only thing they due is illustrate what movies are critically acclaimed. That's it. It's also funny that when MCU is liked the general public they are pandering to the dumb masses, but when a movie you like is popular to the general public it's just the movie is reaching the audience. It's almost just like the critical acclaim you want to find a way to accept the praise from the general public while simultaniously descrediting the same people who like Marvel Studios movies. That's kind of interesting. You do know Fox execs, directors, actors, producers, writers hope every release day that their product appeals to that general public you call the dumb masses. Without that connection studios would lose money. The dumb masses make it possible for you to enjoy the movies you enjoy. Without them the X-men wouldn't have continued. So you are just going to make up the definition to words now? At best your interactions with people is anecdotal and as such is a small sample size? The first rule of statistics is that with larger sample sizes you increase precision and decrease standard deviations. Words have meanings you just can't make up your own. Prestigious and Acclaim means, praise, admiration, respect, to honor, and award. You can't determine that with little conversations you've had on the internet and people bring up WS when discussing movies. To find out if the public and critics admire and acclaim a movie you have to use tools that show that. RT, IMDB, Cineamscore, and Metacritic show with a large sample size what the general public and critics are saying about a movie. That's all they do. They don't make up the critics and audiences scores. They don't skew them they just take them and package them for ease of use. You would get the same scores if you tallyed all the critics scores that you personally went out and asked movie critics. You would get the same rating from the audience if you randomly choose 10,000+ people to rate a movie. Would that make it easier to take? Do you still think RT skews critical reviews to the MCU? When 30% is owned by WB and 70% by NBC Universal. Two companies that are direct competition with Disney/Marvel? How would you quantify the public's and critic's acclaim of a movie? How large a sample size would you use. I'm sorry but anecdotal evidence doesn't cut it. And we can't change the meanings of words for you to try and make anecdotal evidence true. While you wait maybe you can find this formula everyone talks about. Do you think Disney keeps it under lock and key? You ever think their formula is to introduce characters, introduce the characters to a scenario with human/sentience controllers of that scenario, have the scenario and the controllers defeated in a climax, and then show how the Characters changed for going through that scenario? You know basic storytelling. I wonder how they cracked the code and got Critics and Audiences to love their offering. It can't be that they generally care what the audience sees and wants them to have a good time. It can't be that humor, heart and spectacle the universal mantra of action stories have used? Maybe the formula is to shake up the genre with different styles of sub genre movies so their movies don't get stale. I lost. What were we playing? Would I have won the majic wand you use to turn Opinions in to Facts? How many people do you think believed that they were going to kill of the main star of a movie in the climax of a 80's family comedy? You think it was everyone? Seems to me you can't gauge the tone of a movie while watching it if they thought he was really going to die. I can't believe you are championing the idea that people could actually think that would happen. I can't believe you did. You have to jerking my chain. There was no suspense it Marty fading away because you know that was never going to happen. Just like everyone knows the dusted won't stay dead. The only suspense that was in BTTF was what was going to change after his Dad grew a pair. The only suspense in the dusting is how are they going to try and get them back and how they will comeback when they do. Like will they have the same personality as before they died? And what I mean by emotional connection is having Marty stare at is hand like he was on acid, doesn't come close to a 15 year old kid begging not to die because he was scared. Or Cap feeling the weight of the trillions of failures he just had resting on his shoulders. If you can't see that then you must be watching an entirely different set of movies. And as for your upteenth hundred attempt to pigeon hole me and say I think MCU movies are better than anything else. Answer me this Why would I rate Aquaman higher than half the MCU. I put X2, Spidey 2, First Class, BB and TDK at the top of my list beating out almost all the MCU movies. It seems if I were to fit in your pigeon hole that I wouldn't have rival movies above most of the MCU movies. Curious. It's like I don't think MCU movies are better than all other movies. Hell, it seems like I don't even think it's better than rival comicbook movies weird. I must be wrong some how. Ok for the upteenth hundred time lets do this. Maybe if I did it caps lock you will understand. I still got to ask is english your second language because. I THINK JENNIFER LAWRENCE'S MYSTIQUE HAS A BETTER ARC THAN ANY MCU FEMALE LED ARC. SHE DOES THIS WITHOUT REALLY TRYING IN 1.5 MOVIES. THIS IS A BOON FOR YOU. SHE CAN BEAT ALL THE FEMALES IN THE MCU GIVING MINIMUM EFFORT. Have we got it straight now or do I have to wait for another paragraph continuing a debate that conceeded to you multipe messages ago. You won that debate point. Celebrate don't keep bring it back up. It was settled a while ago. Sheesh I'm not going to ask again, but dude read what I said. I said that the deaths in DoFP and IW didn't mean much because we know they aren't going to stick. The only thing that does matter is in the moments right before temporary death. I'm not saying IW had more moments than DoFP entire movie. I''m saying during IW death montage there were more emotional moments between characters than in DoFP death montage. In DoFp you get the dignified moment between friends Magneto and Charles. I think it was the Rogue cut you see the emotional moment of Kitty accepting that Bobby wasn't with them. I can't think of any more character to character connection in DoFp death montage. Now in IW death montage you have Spiderman Begging for his life to his Father Figure. You have the Father Figure realizing his worst fear is happening his adopted son/ward (in a mental since not actual) is dying in front of him. You see Rocket saying no no no as his son dies infront of him. You see the shock, suprise and hurt when Okye's king melts in his hand. You see Cap powerless to even movie as he watches Bucky disintegrate I've never understood the persistent need for groundedness. In the beginning it was a direct tactic to separate itself from the 90's cheezey Batmans, Steel, Tank Girl etc. The audience would not accept a colorful pallet and bright light. That was a complaint from people who didn't read or like the comicbooks. That was the market and it could only bear so much color. Now we are in the time period where people accept and want to honor the source material. I always see you use the line "it looks like a cartoon" Why not say what you really mean. It looks like a comic book page. That's what the MCU is going for. If it's good enough for comic book readers for almost a 90+ years it should be good enough for comic book watchers. The colorful costumes set tone, show individuality, instantaneous recognition, and helps tell the story. If you cut that out you are kicking the legs out from underneath the aesthetic. X-men has lightened up since their Black Leather phase they even went toward the bright colors of the 60's in First Class and in some scenes in DoFP they went full disco funk color pallet. The worst offender is the muted tones/greys of Snyder. His worst offender isn't a comicbook movie, but one written and directed by himself, Sucker Punch. He missed all kinds of opportunities in that movie to use muted vs hyper color vs surreal color in that movie. Each color pallet representing a level of the dream sequences. The real world being grey and hostile. The day dream that the women's asylum turned brothel being hyper colorful and the fantasy world field with clockwork nazi's, robots, fire breathing dragons could've be surreal. Alas he stuck with grey tone, slightly brighter grey tone, and muddy brown/grey tone. So I guess x-men could've been worse. Did you use the wand and make a fact out of opinion. Funny when you type in Days of Future Past genre into Google it gives you a nice list of what genre the movie falls into. What it spit out when I did that was Action, Adventure, Superhero, Science Fiction, Thriller, and Fantasy. I would recite the new rules about denigrating a whole group of people by calling them liars, but you know what you are a doing. You are trying to goad me. I got to tell you it's not going to work. I am supposing you have read above this and actually read it this time. So you know I was specifically talking about the moments during the Sentinel Attack and the Future X-men Dying vs the Snap and the montage of Avengers dying. From my memory I pulled out 5 in IW in Dofp with the added scenes from the Rogue cut I remember 2. Now I'm not saying that is the final count. It's just what I remember. If you can remember 4 other moments in that specific scene and describe them I'll trust your knowledge. That really does sound like a mind of a Liar doesn't it. Me willing to trust your memory. Now we shouldn't even count the Kitty looking for Bobby and acknowledging he's dead if it's only in the Rogue Cut. Again I can't remember. If that scene is not in the Theatrical Cut then it shouldn't count unless we are using a Director Cut of IW. Are you sure you are talking to me? I value no ones opinion but my own and maybe my best friend. Maybe if I put it in large type it will sink in... THE ONLY PERSON'S OPINION THAT MATTERS IS YOUR OWN. I DON'T VALUE IMDB, RT, CRITICS, AWARDS, AND ANY OTHER OPINION. NOBODIES OPINION OUTSIDE YOUR OWN DETERMINES IF A MOVIE IS GOOD OR BAD. THE ONLY REASON I USED RT, METACRITIC, IMDB, CINEMASCORE WITH THE ACCLAIM/PRESTIGIOUS COMPARISON OF MOVIES IN THE MCU POST IS BECAUSE BY DEFINITION FOR SOMETHING TO BE PRESTIGIOUS/ACCLAIMED IT HAS TO BE REVERED , ADMIRED, PRAISED, RESPECTED AND HONORED. I DON'T HAVE 10,000 PEOPLE EMAIL OR CONTACT INFO IN MY PHONE. TO SEE WHICH MOVIE HAS THE MOST EXAMPLES OF THOSE QUALITIES I HAD TO GO WHERE PEOPLE REVERE, ADMIRE, PRAISE, RESPECT, AND HONOR MOVIES. BOTH THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND CRITICS. I RESPECT THE MEANING OF PRESTIGIOUS/ACCLAIMED. SO I FOLLOW WHAT THE WORDS ACTUALLY MEAN. INSTEAD OF CREATING A DEFINITION TO FIT MY AGENDA. Do we understand now? Subjective opinion. I see you got the wand out again. Remember when I don't give a fuck about other peoples opinion? Yeah that includes Jodi Foster's opinion. And know we are back to using the wand to try and pass of opinion as fact. Why do you care about supporting your opinions with other peoples opinion. Is your security in your own thoughts and opinions so low that you have to seek out validation? Why do you care so much about how people look at IW. You didn't like it great. You are entitled to your opinion, but your obsession with MCU, Black Panther, IW, etc is unhealthy. It's funny that people can be amazed at how IW shouldn't even be coherent with all the hurdles stacked against it. The sheer fact that it does work as a movie is almost a miracle. You can't see that. Like Stephen King said (he stole this from another author) no movie will destroy my book. It will always be there unchanged. Well no movie will destroy the X-men comic books. They will always bee there. No movie will destroy the Fox-men movies they will always be there. The Paranoia you feel that some how the MCU is destroying the genre is unfounded. The mainstream is accepting us and the books. There used to be a majority of people out their who thought comics and there readers were unsophisticated swine. They use to harrass and belittle people who read comic books. They thought they were just for children they didn't know that they were also for adults. In the 70's they didn't see College students reading the books and asking Stan Lee to come speak about his art form and people treating them like literature. Now you gone over the side and come back down. You have turned in to the snob that ridicules, demeans, and harrasses people for the crime of enjoying something you don't. So what if you don't like the MCU movies. Don't watch them, but this constant need to belittle people is obsessive. Relax, all of us get passionate about this stuff, but calling some a liar for enjoying something different a whole group of fans a liar. Is just over the top and wrong. I hold out hope the same way I do for DC-Fan that this is a calculated response to illicit a response from people. I feel sorry for you if this is what everyday for you is. I'm an optimist so I hope that's not the case. No one should have to live that way. Just let people like what they like. State you opinions as opinions. Don't try to sturdy up your opinion with others' opinion. Your opinion is good enough. Trust me. People will respect your opinion on it's on merits. Enjoy the comics. Comics are modern myths told by pictograph and color. It's appeal is meant for children to adults. Why does movies with bright colors like the page bother you so? Why does it bother you that kids are in the demographic for comic book readership? Did you not read comics as a child and adolescences? Or did you wait until you were an adult to pick up the hobby? Why are you denying the people like yourself if you did start reading as a kid the pleasure of enjoying stories they love? Comic Book movies can have allegory, metaphor, and say something while still being aimed at children of all ages. From 10 year olds to 50 year old children at heart. That's what makes Comics so wonderful. They use a medium that can appeal to a 10 year old and a 45 year old reading the same book. Why shouldn't the extension of the story, ie the Movie, not be as magical and age defying/neutral as the books?
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Post by havenless on Dec 29, 2018 13:19:08 GMT
The Last Jedi is the last real Star Wars movie? ? yeah.
most dont take the new disney movies as canon. expect the same for mcu xmen and even worse.
Your point is you don’t take the new Disney Star Wars movies as canon so that’s why you take the new Disney Star Wars movies as the last real ones? Why does that make sense to you? Don’t tell me you meant Return of the Jedi and forgot the names. That’s blasphemy of the highest order.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 29, 2018 17:40:50 GMT
You just confirmed when I said only mcu fanantics wil be the only people who will smile if if gets nominated, the rest of the world will be on the cringe factor and will not take it seriously. Mcu fans you guys know you don’t earn anything.
Even when I say that I don't think Black Panther doesn't deserve an oscar nomination, you are still pushing that people who like the MCU want it to get nominated. The only reason I will smile is because of the impotent rage racist ass holes will hate it. You telling me if you were around a racist asshole complaining about BP getting nominated you would smile or laugh in their face? It just sounds like you are trying to find an excuse to explain why critics like MCU and Fox's X-men. Like you need to discredit the positive reviews for MCU while still enjoying the positive reviews of X-men. Why does people's opinion matter so much to you? I'll say it for the upteenth hundred time. Positive reviews is just other peoples opinion. They don't determine if a movie is good. The only thing they due is illustrate what movies are critically acclaimed. That's it. It's also funny that when MCU is liked the general public they are pandering to the dumb masses, but when a movie you like is popular to the general public it's just the movie is reaching the audience. It's almost just like the critical acclaim you want to find a way to accept the praise from the general public while simultaniously descrediting the same people who like Marvel Studios movies. That's kind of interesting. You do know Fox execs, directors, actors, producers, writers hope every release day that their product appeals to that general public you call the dumb masses. Without that connection studios would lose money. The dumb masses make it possible for you to enjoy the movies you enjoy. Without them the X-men wouldn't have continued. So you are just going to make up the definition to words now? At best your interactions with people is anecdotal and as such is a small sample size? The first rule of statistics is that with larger sample sizes you increase precision and decrease standard deviations. Words have meanings you just can't make up your own. Prestigious and Acclaim means, praise, admiration, respect, to honor, and award. You can't determine that with little conversations you've had on the internet and people bring up WS when discussing movies. To find out if the public and critics admire and acclaim a movie you have to use tools that show that. RT, IMDB, Cineamscore, and Metacritic show with a large sample size what the general public and critics are saying about a movie. That's all they do. They don't make up the critics and audiences scores. They don't skew them they just take them and package them for ease of use. You would get the same scores if you tallyed all the critics scores that you personally went out and asked movie critics. You would get the same rating from the audience if you randomly choose 10,000+ people to rate a movie. Would that make it easier to take? Do you still think RT skews critical reviews to the MCU? When 30% is owned by WB and 70% by NBC Universal. Two companies that are direct competition with Disney/Marvel? How would you quantify the public's and critic's acclaim of a movie? How large a sample size would you use. I'm sorry but anecdotal evidence doesn't cut it. And we can't change the meanings of words for you to try and make anecdotal evidence true. While you wait maybe you can find this formula everyone talks about. Do you think Disney keeps it under lock and key? You ever think their formula is to introduce characters, introduce the characters to a scenario with human/sentience controllers of that scenario, have the scenario and the controllers defeated in a climax, and then show how the Characters changed for going through that scenario? You know basic storytelling. I wonder how they cracked the code and got Critics and Audiences to love their offering. It can't be that they generally care what the audience sees and wants them to have a good time. It can't be that humor, heart and spectacle the universal mantra of action stories have used? Maybe the formula is to shake up the genre with different styles of sub genre movies so their movies don't get stale. I lost. What were we playing? Would I have won the majic wand you use to turn Opinions in to Facts? How many people do you think believed that they were going to kill of the main star of a movie in the climax of a 80's family comedy? You think it was everyone? Seems to me you can't gauge the tone of a movie while watching it if they thought he was really going to die. I can't believe you are championing the idea that people could actually think that would happen. I can't believe you did. You have to jerking my chain. There was no suspense it Marty fading away because you know that was never going to happen. Just like everyone knows the dusted won't stay dead. The only suspense that was in BTTF was what was going to change after his Dad grew a pair. The only suspense in the dusting is how are they going to try and get them back and how they will comeback when they do. Like will they have the same personality as before they died? And what I mean by emotional connection is having Marty stare at is hand like he was on acid, doesn't come close to a 15 year old kid begging not to die because he was scared. Or Cap feeling the weight of the trillions of failures he just had resting on his shoulders. If you can't see that then you must be watching an entirely different set of movies. And as for your upteenth hundred attempt to pigeon hole me and say I think MCU movies are better than anything else. Answer me this Why would I rate Aquaman higher than half the MCU. I put X2, Spidey 2, First Class, BB and TDK at the top of my list beating out almost all the MCU movies. It seems if I were to fit in your pigeon hole that I wouldn't have rival movies above most of the MCU movies. Curious. It's like I don't think MCU movies are better than all other movies. Hell, it seems like I don't even think it's better than rival comicbook movies weird. I must be wrong some how. Ok for the upteenth hundred time lets do this. Maybe if I did it caps lock you will understand. I still got to ask is english your second language because. I THINK JENNIFER LAWRENCE'S MYSTIQUE HAS A BETTER ARC THAN ANY MCU FEMALE LED ARC. SHE DOES THIS WITHOUT REALLY TRYING IN 1.5 MOVIES. THIS IS A BOON FOR YOU. SHE CAN BEAT ALL THE FEMALES IN THE MCU GIVING MINIMUM EFFORT. Have we got it straight now or do I have to wait for another paragraph continuing a debate that conceeded to you multipe messages ago. You won that debate point. Celebrate don't keep bring it back up. It was settled a while ago. Sheesh I'm not going to ask again, but dude read what I said. I said that the deaths in DoFP and IW didn't mean much because we know they aren't going to stick. The only thing that does matter is in the moments right before temporary death. I'm not saying IW had more moments than DoFP entire movie. I''m saying during IW death montage there were more emotional moments between characters than in DoFP death montage. In DoFp you get the dignified moment between friends Magneto and Charles. I think it was the Rogue cut you see the emotional moment of Kitty accepting that Bobby wasn't with them. I can't think of any more character to character connection in DoFp death montage. Now in IW death montage you have Spiderman Begging for his life to his Father Figure. You have the Father Figure realizing his worst fear is happening his adopted son/ward (in a mental since not actual) is dying in front of him. You see Rocket saying no no no as his son dies infront of him. You see the shock, suprise and hurt when Okye's king melts in his hand. You see Cap powerless to even movie as he watches Bucky disintegrate I've never understood the persistent need for groundedness. In the beginning it was a direct tactic to separate itself from the 90's cheezey Batmans, Steel, Tank Girl etc. The audience would not accept a colorful pallet and bright light. That was a complaint from people who didn't read or like the comicbooks. That was the market and it could only bear so much color. Now we are in the time period where people accept and want to honor the source material. I always see you use the line "it looks like a cartoon" Why not say what you really mean. It looks like a comic book page. That's what the MCU is going for. If it's good enough for comic book readers for almost a 90+ years it should be good enough for comic book watchers. The colorful costumes set tone, show individuality, instantaneous recognition, and helps tell the story. If you cut that out you are kicking the legs out from underneath the aesthetic. X-men has lightened up since their Black Leather phase they even went toward the bright colors of the 60's in First Class and in some scenes in DoFP they went full disco funk color pallet. The worst offender is the muted tones/greys of Snyder. His worst offender isn't a comicbook movie, but one written and directed by himself, Sucker Punch. He missed all kinds of opportunities in that movie to use muted vs hyper color vs surreal color in that movie. Each color pallet representing a level of the dream sequences. The real world being grey and hostile. The day dream that the women's asylum turned brothel being hyper colorful and the fantasy world field with clockwork nazi's, robots, fire breathing dragons could've be surreal. Alas he stuck with grey tone, slightly brighter grey tone, and muddy brown/grey tone. So I guess x-men could've been worse. Did you use the wand and make a fact out of opinion. Funny when you type in Days of Future Past genre into Google it gives you a nice list of what genre the movie falls into. What it spit out when I did that was Action, Adventure, Superhero, Science Fiction, Thriller, and Fantasy. I would recite the new rules about denigrating a whole group of people by calling them liars, but you know what you are a doing. You are trying to goad me. I got to tell you it's not going to work. I am supposing you have read above this and actually read it this time. So you know I was specifically talking about the moments during the Sentinel Attack and the Future X-men Dying vs the Snap and the montage of Avengers dying. From my memory I pulled out 5 in IW in Dofp with the added scenes from the Rogue cut I remember 2. Now I'm not saying that is the final count. It's just what I remember. If you can remember 4 other moments in that specific scene and describe them I'll trust your knowledge. That really does sound like a mind of a Liar doesn't it. Me willing to trust your memory. Now we shouldn't even count the Kitty looking for Bobby and acknowledging he's dead if it's only in the Rogue Cut. Again I can't remember. If that scene is not in the Theatrical Cut then it shouldn't count unless we are using a Director Cut of IW. Are you sure you are talking to me? I value no ones opinion but my own and maybe my best friend. Maybe if I put it in large type it will sink in... THE ONLY PERSON'S OPINION THAT MATTERS IS YOUR OWN. I DON'T VALUE IMDB, RT, CRITICS, AWARDS, AND ANY OTHER OPINION. NOBODIES OPINION OUTSIDE YOUR OWN DETERMINES IF A MOVIE IS GOOD OR BAD. THE ONLY REASON I USED RT, METACRITIC, IMDB, CINEMASCORE WITH THE ACCLAIM/PRESTIGIOUS COMPARISON OF MOVIES IN THE MCU POST IS BECAUSE BY DEFINITION FOR SOMETHING TO BE PRESTIGIOUS/ACCLAIMED IT HAS TO BE REVERED , ADMIRED, PRAISED, RESPECTED AND HONORED. I DON'T HAVE 10,000 PEOPLE EMAIL OR CONTACT INFO IN MY PHONE. TO SEE WHICH MOVIE HAS THE MOST EXAMPLES OF THOSE QUALITIES I HAD TO GO WHERE PEOPLE REVERE, ADMIRE, PRAISE, RESPECT, AND HONOR MOVIES. BOTH THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND CRITICS. I RESPECT THE MEANING OF PRESTIGIOUS/ACCLAIMED. SO I FOLLOW WHAT THE WORDS ACTUALLY MEAN. INSTEAD OF CREATING A DEFINITION TO FIT MY AGENDA. Do we understand now? Subjective opinion. I see you got the wand out again. Remember when I don't give a fuck about other peoples opinion? Yeah that includes Jodi Foster's opinion. And know we are back to using the wand to try and pass of opinion as fact. Why do you care about supporting your opinions with other peoples opinion. Is your security in your own thoughts and opinions so low that you have to seek out validation? Why do you care so much about how people look at IW. You didn't like it great. You are entitled to your opinion, but your obsession with MCU, Black Panther, IW, etc is unhealthy. It's funny that people can be amazed at how IW shouldn't even be coherent with all the hurdles stacked against it. The sheer fact that it does work as a movie is almost a miracle. You can't see that. Like Stephen King said (he stole this from another author) no movie will destroy my book. It will always be there unchanged. Well no movie will destroy the X-men comic books. They will always bee there. No movie will destroy the Fox-men movies they will always be there. The Paranoia you feel that some how the MCU is destroying the genre is unfounded. The mainstream is accepting us and the books. There used to be a majority of people out their who thought comics and there readers were unsophisticated swine. They use to harrass and belittle people who read comic books. They thought they were just for children they didn't know that they were also for adults. In the 70's they didn't see College students reading the books and asking Stan Lee to come speak about his art form and people treating them like literature. Now you gone over the side and come back down. You have turned in to the snob that ridicules, demeans, and harrasses people for the crime of enjoying something you don't. So what if you don't like the MCU movies. Don't watch them, but this constant need to belittle people is obsessive. Relax, all of us get passionate about this stuff, but calling some a liar for enjoying something different a whole group of fans a liar. Is just over the top and wrong. I hold out hope the same way I do for DC-Fan that this is a calculated response to illicit a response from people. I feel sorry for you if this is what everyday for you is. I'm an optimist so I hope that's not the case. No one should have to live that way. Just let people like what they like. State you opinions as opinions. Don't try to sturdy up your opinion with others' opinion. Your opinion is good enough. Trust me. People will respect your opinion on it's on merits. Enjoy the comics. Comics are modern myths told by pictograph and color. It's appeal is meant for children to adults. Why does movies with bright colors like the page bother you so? Why does it bother you that kids are in the demographic for comic book readership? Did you not read comics as a child and adolescences? Or did you wait until you were an adult to pick up the hobby? Why are you denying the people like yourself if you did start reading as a kid the pleasure of enjoying stories they love? Comic Book movies can have allegory, metaphor, and say something while still being aimed at children of all ages. From 10 year olds to 50 year old children at heart. That's what makes Comics so wonderful. They use a medium that can appeal to a 10 year old and a 45 year old reading the same book. Why shouldn't the extension of the story, ie the Movie, not be as magical and age defying/neutral as the books? You keep repeating the same things. You say I cant determine from little conversations? Well they are not little. They are conversations that come up all the time. Even the so called critics’ said winter solider was the first grown up mcu movie. So about using tools that shows that. So is Black Panther the greatest comic movie of all time and greatest movie of all time and how many people agree? Afterall rt and metacritic says so. When it comes to tools. I used film artistry and hid the advice of martin scorese on how to judge good movies. Rt and metactiric seems to be an mcu fan thing obsessed with trying to defend garbage dumb fun movies.
Hmm. The mcu formula. Okay here it is.
You know the mcu formula 1. Treats the term raganork as a joke, everything now is a joke moslty 2. All their movies are the same 3. Depends on cgi at 90% 4. Strips away director freedom 5. Cares more about set ups 6. Can’t make a Spiderman movie as good as his best cartoons 7. Can’t tell grown up themes stories 8. Says comic films should be a kids thing 9. Hated by many film artist.
When you say audience you mean the mindless masses. When you say critics you mean critics who call their movies dumb fun? Ah, if only critics can respect their movies like they did non mcu movies for the artistry. Disney can't shake up the genre. You want the proof. When they officially cancel new mutants because Disney can’t do horror. Play the wait and see card, in reality you are lying to yourself.
When I see someone still trying to compare a cgi trash like infinity war to this beautiful classic of back to the future with useless opinions. My cue to laugh. just drop it. you wont convince anyone IW has more germ than back to the future. To sum up the problem with infinity war. There is no drama, nothing is tense. Everything feels random, that is the reason people can get attached to it and call it out for shock value. Spiderman begging with tony means nothing because their relationship is superficial with no depth, you feel for the mutants because it is a war they have fought since X1 and it is not the first time they faced genocide. you feel the stakes. rocket is the toy commercial rat right? The problem with gotg.they are too jokey to be taken seriously. Bucky and caps. Another poor man versions of magneto and raven dynamic.
Um, you never understood the need for groundedness. Lol, I like it when mcu fans indirectly insult people like singer and Nolan who moved the grounded comic films forward and marvel itself. Just show you know. Marvel comics are grounded. That is why most of their heroes got their powers by accident and marvel took place in places like new york to dc gotham and smallvile. Also why most marvel characters were humans not gods like dc. MCU fans, marvel is more grounded than DC. Disney changed that because less grounded movies is more commercial to kids. It has nothing to do with marvel comics. Wow. You mcu fans are too funny. You know nothing of marvel. To show your ignorance why do you think their Netflix shows are grounded , feels more real and gritter? It’s the same marvel right? I mean there is no difference between tv show gotham and the good batman movies.
X-Men and Batman don’t need colourful costumes Sorry. It adds nothing to their great literacy or mythos. Colourful costumes are there to sell toys. They are not necessary. Glad batman and xmen never fell for that and they made the best comic films in the end..the most intellectual films. DOFP is a sci fi when drama when did I say it was not a comic film? LOL
if you claim to value no ones opinons but your own please don’t ever bring up rt and metcritics again for any justification. See the difference between me and you is I value my opinions and opinions of honest people who have credibility and use logic. Because it makes me learn and do things better. Lol ,you value no ones opinion both your own. So I guess when a teacher corrected you at school you told him shove it. Or when you parents tired to teach you right yout old them to buzz off? Sorry its unnatural and believe me MCU is not worth it to devalue yourelf to this extent or devalue the natural order of things. good or bad opinons people take it to heart and learn and grow from it.
opinons of X3? not a great xmen movie. what did that opinion do? let xmen get back to basis with first class. great themes, character driven, fantastic story telling.
opinion of batman and robin? awful just awful? what did that opinon do? let batman be the dark knight again
hm, I wonder if those honest opinions were ignored. TDK, DOFP, FC, BB will never have happened.
oh, i get it mcu fires people for opinions like Whedon, Jenkins, Wright and Rouke. reason their movies got worse and now hated by intellectuals.
Sure don’t value the opinions of good honest film makers, reason you will keep trying to defend garbage mcu movies and no one will buy it but mcu fans. Have you notice the day by day opinions the hatred of comic movies mostly mcu movies? Trust me it is not born out of nothing. The opinion of james Cameron was true abou GOTG, Gravity and interstellar was true. Deal with it.
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Post by skribb on Dec 29, 2018 19:47:43 GMT
that doesn't read like a formula to me , summers.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 29, 2018 22:09:58 GMT
summers8 I admire your Vulcan balls fighting off hoards of enraged MCU fans. The only lesson for life I can give is enshrined in this video about a courageous lion attacked by a pack of hyenas: Do it like the lion, sit down protect your balls from being bitten off. It's not beautiful but only natural. That's how you survive here and there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 0:12:56 GMT
yeah. most dont take the new disney movies as canon. expect the same for mcu xmen and even worse.
Your point is you don’t take the new Disney Star Wars movies as canon so that’s why you take the new Disney Star Wars movies as the last real ones? Why does that make sense to you? Don’t tell me you meant Return of the Jedi and forgot the names. That’s blasphemy of the highest order. I think he is lost in explaining this train of thought, so I doubt we will see any further replies regarding it.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Dec 30, 2018 3:36:36 GMT
Even when I say that I don't think Black Panther doesn't deserve an oscar nomination, you are still pushing that people who like the MCU want it to get nominated. The only reason I will smile is because of the impotent rage racist ass holes will hate it. You telling me if you were around a racist asshole complaining about BP getting nominated you would smile or laugh in their face? It just sounds like you are trying to find an excuse to explain why critics like MCU and Fox's X-men. Like you need to discredit the positive reviews for MCU while still enjoying the positive reviews of X-men. Why does people's opinion matter so much to you? I'll say it for the upteenth hundred time. Positive reviews is just other peoples opinion. They don't determine if a movie is good. The only thing they due is illustrate what movies are critically acclaimed. That's it. It's also funny that when MCU is liked the general public they are pandering to the dumb masses, but when a movie you like is popular to the general public it's just the movie is reaching the audience. It's almost just like the critical acclaim you want to find a way to accept the praise from the general public while simultaniously descrediting the same people who like Marvel Studios movies. That's kind of interesting. You do know Fox execs, directors, actors, producers, writers hope every release day that their product appeals to that general public you call the dumb masses. Without that connection studios would lose money. The dumb masses make it possible for you to enjoy the movies you enjoy. Without them the X-men wouldn't have continued. So you are just going to make up the definition to words now? At best your interactions with people is anecdotal and as such is a small sample size? The first rule of statistics is that with larger sample sizes you increase precision and decrease standard deviations. Words have meanings you just can't make up your own. Prestigious and Acclaim means, praise, admiration, respect, to honor, and award. You can't determine that with little conversations you've had on the internet and people bring up WS when discussing movies. To find out if the public and critics admire and acclaim a movie you have to use tools that show that. RT, IMDB, Cineamscore, and Metacritic show with a large sample size what the general public and critics are saying about a movie. That's all they do. They don't make up the critics and audiences scores. They don't skew them they just take them and package them for ease of use. You would get the same scores if you tallyed all the critics scores that you personally went out and asked movie critics. You would get the same rating from the audience if you randomly choose 10,000+ people to rate a movie. Would that make it easier to take? Do you still think RT skews critical reviews to the MCU? When 30% is owned by WB and 70% by NBC Universal. Two companies that are direct competition with Disney/Marvel? How would you quantify the public's and critic's acclaim of a movie? How large a sample size would you use. I'm sorry but anecdotal evidence doesn't cut it. And we can't change the meanings of words for you to try and make anecdotal evidence true. While you wait maybe you can find this formula everyone talks about. Do you think Disney keeps it under lock and key? You ever think their formula is to introduce characters, introduce the characters to a scenario with human/sentience controllers of that scenario, have the scenario and the controllers defeated in a climax, and then show how the Characters changed for going through that scenario? You know basic storytelling. I wonder how they cracked the code and got Critics and Audiences to love their offering. It can't be that they generally care what the audience sees and wants them to have a good time. It can't be that humor, heart and spectacle the universal mantra of action stories have used? Maybe the formula is to shake up the genre with different styles of sub genre movies so their movies don't get stale. I lost. What were we playing? Would I have won the majic wand you use to turn Opinions in to Facts? How many people do you think believed that they were going to kill of the main star of a movie in the climax of a 80's family comedy? You think it was everyone? Seems to me you can't gauge the tone of a movie while watching it if they thought he was really going to die. I can't believe you are championing the idea that people could actually think that would happen. I can't believe you did. You have to jerking my chain. There was no suspense it Marty fading away because you know that was never going to happen. Just like everyone knows the dusted won't stay dead. The only suspense that was in BTTF was what was going to change after his Dad grew a pair. The only suspense in the dusting is how are they going to try and get them back and how they will comeback when they do. Like will they have the same personality as before they died? And what I mean by emotional connection is having Marty stare at is hand like he was on acid, doesn't come close to a 15 year old kid begging not to die because he was scared. Or Cap feeling the weight of the trillions of failures he just had resting on his shoulders. If you can't see that then you must be watching an entirely different set of movies. And as for your upteenth hundred attempt to pigeon hole me and say I think MCU movies are better than anything else. Answer me this Why would I rate Aquaman higher than half the MCU. I put X2, Spidey 2, First Class, BB and TDK at the top of my list beating out almost all the MCU movies. It seems if I were to fit in your pigeon hole that I wouldn't have rival movies above most of the MCU movies. Curious. It's like I don't think MCU movies are better than all other movies. Hell, it seems like I don't even think it's better than rival comicbook movies weird. I must be wrong some how. Ok for the upteenth hundred time lets do this. Maybe if I did it caps lock you will understand. I still got to ask is english your second language because. I THINK JENNIFER LAWRENCE'S MYSTIQUE HAS A BETTER ARC THAN ANY MCU FEMALE LED ARC. SHE DOES THIS WITHOUT REALLY TRYING IN 1.5 MOVIES. THIS IS A BOON FOR YOU. SHE CAN BEAT ALL THE FEMALES IN THE MCU GIVING MINIMUM EFFORT. Have we got it straight now or do I have to wait for another paragraph continuing a debate that conceeded to you multipe messages ago. You won that debate point. Celebrate don't keep bring it back up. It was settled a while ago. Sheesh I'm not going to ask again, but dude read what I said. I said that the deaths in DoFP and IW didn't mean much because we know they aren't going to stick. The only thing that does matter is in the moments right before temporary death. I'm not saying IW had more moments than DoFP entire movie. I''m saying during IW death montage there were more emotional moments between characters than in DoFP death montage. In DoFp you get the dignified moment between friends Magneto and Charles. I think it was the Rogue cut you see the emotional moment of Kitty accepting that Bobby wasn't with them. I can't think of any more character to character connection in DoFp death montage. Now in IW death montage you have Spiderman Begging for his life to his Father Figure. You have the Father Figure realizing his worst fear is happening his adopted son/ward (in a mental since not actual) is dying in front of him. You see Rocket saying no no no as his son dies infront of him. You see the shock, suprise and hurt when Okye's king melts in his hand. You see Cap powerless to even movie as he watches Bucky disintegrate I've never understood the persistent need for groundedness. In the beginning it was a direct tactic to separate itself from the 90's cheezey Batmans, Steel, Tank Girl etc. The audience would not accept a colorful pallet and bright light. That was a complaint from people who didn't read or like the comicbooks. That was the market and it could only bear so much color. Now we are in the time period where people accept and want to honor the source material. I always see you use the line "it looks like a cartoon" Why not say what you really mean. It looks like a comic book page. That's what the MCU is going for. If it's good enough for comic book readers for almost a 90+ years it should be good enough for comic book watchers. The colorful costumes set tone, show individuality, instantaneous recognition, and helps tell the story. If you cut that out you are kicking the legs out from underneath the aesthetic. X-men has lightened up since their Black Leather phase they even went toward the bright colors of the 60's in First Class and in some scenes in DoFP they went full disco funk color pallet. The worst offender is the muted tones/greys of Snyder. His worst offender isn't a comicbook movie, but one written and directed by himself, Sucker Punch. He missed all kinds of opportunities in that movie to use muted vs hyper color vs surreal color in that movie. Each color pallet representing a level of the dream sequences. The real world being grey and hostile. The day dream that the women's asylum turned brothel being hyper colorful and the fantasy world field with clockwork nazi's, robots, fire breathing dragons could've be surreal. Alas he stuck with grey tone, slightly brighter grey tone, and muddy brown/grey tone. So I guess x-men could've been worse. Did you use the wand and make a fact out of opinion. Funny when you type in Days of Future Past genre into Google it gives you a nice list of what genre the movie falls into. What it spit out when I did that was Action, Adventure, Superhero, Science Fiction, Thriller, and Fantasy. I would recite the new rules about denigrating a whole group of people by calling them liars, but you know what you are a doing. You are trying to goad me. I got to tell you it's not going to work. I am supposing you have read above this and actually read it this time. So you know I was specifically talking about the moments during the Sentinel Attack and the Future X-men Dying vs the Snap and the montage of Avengers dying. From my memory I pulled out 5 in IW in Dofp with the added scenes from the Rogue cut I remember 2. Now I'm not saying that is the final count. It's just what I remember. If you can remember 4 other moments in that specific scene and describe them I'll trust your knowledge. That really does sound like a mind of a Liar doesn't it. Me willing to trust your memory. Now we shouldn't even count the Kitty looking for Bobby and acknowledging he's dead if it's only in the Rogue Cut. Again I can't remember. If that scene is not in the Theatrical Cut then it shouldn't count unless we are using a Director Cut of IW. Are you sure you are talking to me? I value no ones opinion but my own and maybe my best friend. Maybe if I put it in large type it will sink in... THE ONLY PERSON'S OPINION THAT MATTERS IS YOUR OWN. I DON'T VALUE IMDB, RT, CRITICS, AWARDS, AND ANY OTHER OPINION. NOBODIES OPINION OUTSIDE YOUR OWN DETERMINES IF A MOVIE IS GOOD OR BAD. THE ONLY REASON I USED RT, METACRITIC, IMDB, CINEMASCORE WITH THE ACCLAIM/PRESTIGIOUS COMPARISON OF MOVIES IN THE MCU POST IS BECAUSE BY DEFINITION FOR SOMETHING TO BE PRESTIGIOUS/ACCLAIMED IT HAS TO BE REVERED , ADMIRED, PRAISED, RESPECTED AND HONORED. I DON'T HAVE 10,000 PEOPLE EMAIL OR CONTACT INFO IN MY PHONE. TO SEE WHICH MOVIE HAS THE MOST EXAMPLES OF THOSE QUALITIES I HAD TO GO WHERE PEOPLE REVERE, ADMIRE, PRAISE, RESPECT, AND HONOR MOVIES. BOTH THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND CRITICS. I RESPECT THE MEANING OF PRESTIGIOUS/ACCLAIMED. SO I FOLLOW WHAT THE WORDS ACTUALLY MEAN. INSTEAD OF CREATING A DEFINITION TO FIT MY AGENDA. Do we understand now? Subjective opinion. I see you got the wand out again. Remember when I don't give a fuck about other peoples opinion? Yeah that includes Jodi Foster's opinion. And know we are back to using the wand to try and pass of opinion as fact. Why do you care about supporting your opinions with other peoples opinion. Is your security in your own thoughts and opinions so low that you have to seek out validation? Why do you care so much about how people look at IW. You didn't like it great. You are entitled to your opinion, but your obsession with MCU, Black Panther, IW, etc is unhealthy. It's funny that people can be amazed at how IW shouldn't even be coherent with all the hurdles stacked against it. The sheer fact that it does work as a movie is almost a miracle. You can't see that. Like Stephen King said (he stole this from another author) no movie will destroy my book. It will always be there unchanged. Well no movie will destroy the X-men comic books. They will always bee there. No movie will destroy the Fox-men movies they will always be there. The Paranoia you feel that some how the MCU is destroying the genre is unfounded. The mainstream is accepting us and the books. There used to be a majority of people out their who thought comics and there readers were unsophisticated swine. They use to harrass and belittle people who read comic books. They thought they were just for children they didn't know that they were also for adults. In the 70's they didn't see College students reading the books and asking Stan Lee to come speak about his art form and people treating them like literature. Now you gone over the side and come back down. You have turned in to the snob that ridicules, demeans, and harrasses people for the crime of enjoying something you don't. So what if you don't like the MCU movies. Don't watch them, but this constant need to belittle people is obsessive. Relax, all of us get passionate about this stuff, but calling some a liar for enjoying something different a whole group of fans a liar. Is just over the top and wrong. I hold out hope the same way I do for DC-Fan that this is a calculated response to illicit a response from people. I feel sorry for you if this is what everyday for you is. I'm an optimist so I hope that's not the case. No one should have to live that way. Just let people like what they like. State you opinions as opinions. Don't try to sturdy up your opinion with others' opinion. Your opinion is good enough. Trust me. People will respect your opinion on it's on merits. Enjoy the comics. Comics are modern myths told by pictograph and color. It's appeal is meant for children to adults. Why does movies with bright colors like the page bother you so? Why does it bother you that kids are in the demographic for comic book readership? Did you not read comics as a child and adolescences? Or did you wait until you were an adult to pick up the hobby? Why are you denying the people like yourself if you did start reading as a kid the pleasure of enjoying stories they love? Comic Book movies can have allegory, metaphor, and say something while still being aimed at children of all ages. From 10 year olds to 50 year old children at heart. That's what makes Comics so wonderful. They use a medium that can appeal to a 10 year old and a 45 year old reading the same book. Why shouldn't the extension of the story, ie the Movie, not be as magical and age defying/neutral as the books? You keep repeating the same things. You say I cant determine from little conversations? Well they are not little. They are conversations that come up all the time. Even the so called critics’ said winter solider was the first grown up mcu movie. So about using tools that shows that. So is Black Panther the greatest comic movie of all time and greatest movie of all time and how many people agree? Afterall rt and metacritic says so. When it comes to tools. I used film artistry and hid the advice of martin scorese on how to judge good movies. Rt and metactiric seems to be an mcu fan thing obsessed with trying to defend garbage dumb fun movies.
Hmm. The mcu formula. Okay here it is.
You know the mcu formula 1. Treats the term raganork as a joke, everything now is a joke moslty 2. All their movies are the same 3. Depends on cgi at 90% 4. Strips away director freedom 5. Cares more about set ups 6. Can’t make a Spiderman movie as good as his best cartoons 7. Can’t tell grown up themes stories 8. Says comic films should be a kids thing 9. Hated by many film artist.
When you say audience you mean the mindless masses. When you say critics you mean critics who call their movies dumb fun? Ah, if only critics can respect their movies like they did non mcu movies for the artistry. Disney can't shake up the genre. You want the proof. When they officially cancel new mutants because Disney can’t do horror. Play the wait and see card, in reality you are lying to yourself.
When I see someone still trying to compare a cgi trash like infinity war to this beautiful classic of back to the future with useless opinions. My cue to laugh. just drop it. you wont convince anyone IW has more germ than back to the future. To sum up the problem with infinity war. There is no drama, nothing is tense. Everything feels random, that is the reason people can get attached to it and call it out for shock value. Spiderman begging with tony means nothing because their relationship is superficial with no depth, you feel for the mutants because it is a war they have fought since X1 and it is not the first time they faced genocide. you feel the stakes. rocket is the toy commercial rat right? The problem with gotg.they are too jokey to be taken seriously. Bucky and caps. Another poor man versions of magneto and raven dynamic.
Um, you never understood the need for groundedness. Lol, I like it when mcu fans indirectly insult people like singer and Nolan who moved the grounded comic films forward and marvel itself. Just show you know. Marvel comics are grounded. That is why most of their heroes got their powers by accident and marvel took place in places like new york to dc gotham and smallvile. Also why most marvel characters were humans not gods like dc. MCU fans, marvel is more grounded than DC. Disney changed that because less grounded movies is more commercial to kids. It has nothing to do with marvel comics. Wow. You mcu fans are too funny. You know nothing of marvel. To show your ignorance why do you think their Netflix shows are grounded , feels more real and gritter? It’s the same marvel right? I mean there is no difference between tv show gotham and the good batman movies.
X-Men and Batman don’t need colourful costumes Sorry. It adds nothing to their great literacy or mythos. Colourful costumes are there to sell toys. They are not necessary. Glad batman and xmen never fell for that and they made the best comic films in the end..the most intellectual films. DOFP is a sci fi when drama when did I say it was not a comic film? LOL
if you claim to value no ones opinons but your own please don’t ever bring up rt and metcritics again for any justification. See the difference between me and you is I value my opinions and opinions of honest people who have credibility and use logic. Because it makes me learn and do things better. Lol ,you value no ones opinion both your own. So I guess when a teacher corrected you at school you told him shove it. Or when you parents tired to teach you right yout old them to buzz off? Sorry its unnatural and believe me MCU is not worth it to devalue yourelf to this extent or devalue the natural order of things. good or bad opinons people take it to heart and learn and grow from it.
opinons of X3? not a great xmen movie. what did that opinion do? let xmen get back to basis with first class. great themes, character driven, fantastic story telling.
opinion of batman and robin? awful just awful? what did that opinon do? let batman be the dark knight again
hm, I wonder if those honest opinions were ignored. TDK, DOFP, FC, BB will never have happened.
oh, i get it mcu fires people for opinions like Whedon, Jenkins, Wright and Rouke. reason their movies got worse and now hated by intellectuals.
Sure don’t value the opinions of good honest film makers, reason you will keep trying to defend garbage mcu movies and no one will buy it but mcu fans. Have you notice the day by day opinions the hatred of comic movies mostly mcu movies? Trust me it is not born out of nothing. The opinion of james Cameron was true abou GOTG, Gravity and interstellar was true. Deal with it. Good Lord, your life must be really lacking to go thru all this trouble to argue with a complete anonymous person over a movie.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 30, 2018 4:59:04 GMT
So, you're already bashing the time travel angle when the movie is not gonna be released for another four months and that hasn't been confirmed as a plot device? Skip!
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Post by politicidal on Dec 30, 2018 5:21:58 GMT
The Last Jedi is the last real Star Wars movie? ? yeah.
most dont take the new disney movies as canon. expect the same for mcu xmen and even worse.
Was The Last Jedi released by Fox? It was a Disney joint, brah.
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