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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 27, 2023 17:12:47 GMT
This is my carefully compiled list of the DREAM WARRIORS and their powers:
1- Nancy Thompson. Primary power: the ability to pull oneiric creatures and objects into reality. Secondary power: analysis, deduction and strategy.
2- Kristen Parker. Primary power: to transfer oneiric avatars into her own dreams. Secondary power: dancer/superhuman agility.
3- Roland Kincaid. Dream power: superhuman strength.
4- Taryn White. Dream power: thug/street abilities.
5- Will Stanton. Dream power: wizard/magic abilities.
6- Joey Crusel. Dream power: disrupting sonic scream.
7- Alice Johnson. Designation: Dream Master. Primary power: to absorb and display anyone else's dream powers.
8- Rick Johnson. Dream power: karateka/martial abilities.
9- Jacob Johnson. Designation: Dream Child. Primary power: to absorb and display anyone else's dream powers, including her mother (The Dream Master). Secondary power: to project an older oneiric avatar of himself into anyone else's dreams.
10- Mark Gray. Dream power: superhero avatar/Phantom Prowler.
11- Doc. Primary power: the ability to pull oneiric creatures and objects into reality. Secondary power: total control into the oneiric environment.
12- Tracy Swan. Dream Power: fight ferocity.
13- Spencer Lewis. Dream power: digital avatar.
14- Maggie Burroughs/Katherine Krueger. Primary power: the ability to pull oneiric creatures and objects into reality. Secondary power: oneiric mind travel inside another consciousness.
15- Lori Campbell. Dream power: the ability to pull oneiric creatures and objects into reality. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 27, 2023 17:29:13 GMT
As you note, multiple characters are able to pull things out of their dreams, including two different characters in the same movie, which suggests to me it's not really a select "power", just something anyone in this universe can do given the right circumstances.
That does leave Nancy kinda lacking in a direct dream power, but oh well.
"Dance" seems oddly specific for Kristen. She does backflips.
You forgot "beautiful" for Taryn.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 27, 2023 20:27:30 GMT
As you note, multiple characters are able to pull things out of their dreams, including two different characters in the same movie, which suggests to me it's not really a select "power", just something anyone in this universe can do given the right circumstances.
Well, only four characters.
Maggie and Doc have incidentally met. They just share the same dream power, but don't forget that Doc also has "total control" as secondary power.
There are no right circumstances, I just think that it's very "select".
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 27, 2023 21:02:02 GMT
As you note, multiple characters are able to pull things out of their dreams, including two different characters in the same movie, which suggests to me it's not really a select "power", just something anyone in this universe can do given the right circumstances.
Well, only four characters.
Maggie and Doc have incidentally met. They just share the same dream power, but don't forget that Doc also has "total control" as secondary power.
There are no right circumstances, I just think that it's very "select".
The circumstances are grasping something as they are woken up. To prove the power is exclusive to these four (and probably way more in comics and whatnot), are there examples where someone tries to pull something out of a dream but fails? |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 28, 2023 0:07:53 GMT
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 29, 2023 18:32:31 GMT
Well, only four characters.
Maggie and Doc have incidentally met. They just share the same dream power, but don't forget that Doc also has "total control" as secondary power.
There are no right circumstances, I just think that it's very "select".
The circumstances are grasping something as they are woken up. To prove the power is exclusive to these four (and probably way more in comics and whatnot), are there examples where someone tries to pull something out of a dream but fails?
If memory serves me well, Nancy does that accidentally.
If memory serves me well, Doc provides us with an official explanation?
I don't remember HOW Lori just realized that... tell me.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 29, 2023 19:41:41 GMT
The circumstances are grasping something as they are woken up. To prove the power is exclusive to these four (and probably way more in comics and whatnot), are there examples where someone tries to pull something out of a dream but fails?
If memory serves me well, Nancy does that accidentally.
If memory serves me well, Doc provides us with an official explanation?
I don't remember HOW Lori just realized that... tell me.
Lori rips Freddy's ear off and has it with her when she comes back to the real world. And Doc didn't really elaborate on who can do it, he just told Lisa Zane to pull Freddy out (which to me implies anyone can do it, or else Doc got super lucky that he sent someone who incidentally could). |
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 29, 2023 23:33:46 GMT
If memory serves me well, Nancy does that accidentally.
If memory serves me well, Doc provides us with an official explanation?
I don't remember HOW Lori just realized that... tell me.
Lori rips Freddy's ear off and has it with her when she comes back to the real world. And Doc didn't really elaborate on who can do it, he just told Lisa Zane to pull Freddy out (which to me implies anyone can do it, or else Doc got super lucky that he sent someone who incidentally could).
Maybe Doc had previously discovered Maggie's power?
That said, Freddy vs. Jason may be an alternate dimension. Nightmare 6 is canonically set in the near future, 10 years from the actual release date of the movie = thus, 2001.
Freddy vs. Jason pretends to be set in 2003, but Springwood is a normal city on there, very crowded.
It doesn't match with Nightmare 6.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 30, 2023 1:28:45 GMT
Lori rips Freddy's ear off and has it with her when she comes back to the real world. And Doc didn't really elaborate on who can do it, he just told Lisa Zane to pull Freddy out (which to me implies anyone can do it, or else Doc got super lucky that he sent someone who incidentally could).
Maybe Doc had previously discovered Maggie's power?
That said, Freddy vs. Jason may be an alternate dimension. Nightmare 6 is canonically set in the near future, 10 years from the actual release date of the movie = thus, 2001.
Freddy vs. Jason pretends to be set in 2003, but Springwood is a normal city on there, very crowded.
It doesn't match with Nightmare 6.
You can't just unilaterally decide a movie isn't canon because of a continuity issue, especially a late sequel to an 80s slasher franchise where bad continuity is the rule rather than the exception. FvJ opens with a montage of the franchise that pretty firmly establishes it's following the previous movies sans New Nightmare. What I find even weirder is that FvJ is set just a couple of years after Fridays 7 and 8. So the high school characters in FvJ are the same generation as this guy:  |
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 30, 2023 9:16:39 GMT
Maybe Doc had previously discovered Maggie's power?
That said, Freddy vs. Jason may be an alternate dimension. Nightmare 6 is canonically set in the near future, 10 years from the actual release date of the movie = thus, 2001.
Freddy vs. Jason pretends to be set in 2003, but Springwood is a normal city on there, very crowded.
It doesn't match with Nightmare 6.
You can't just unilaterally decide a movie isn't canon because of a continuity issue, especially a late sequel to an 80s slasher franchise where bad continuity is the rule rather than the exception. FvJ opens with a montage of the franchise that pretty firmly establishes it's following the previous movies sans New Nightmare. What I find even weirder is that FvJ is set just a couple of years after Fridays 7 and 8. So the high school characters in FvJ are the same generation as this guy: The montage doesn't mean anything. As simple as that, SOME events of the Mainstream ANOES Universe similarly occurred in the Freddy Vs. Jason Universe too. That said, Freddy vs. Jason doesn't match with Freddy's Dead at all. In the Freddy vs. Jason Universe, Springwood had never been abandoned by people, and adults are not "new", they know about Freddy Krueger and his powers because they experienced him. |
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 30, 2023 9:46:22 GMT
Moviebuffbrad:
In FvJ.
Trey's death is "dismissed"(COVERED UP) as accident?
And why do the girls ever come back to school the day after, when there have been three killings (Trey, Blake and Blake's father) just few hours before? Gibb was Trey's girlfriend!
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 30, 2023 19:19:52 GMT
You can't just unilaterally decide a movie isn't canon because of a continuity issue, especially a late sequel to an 80s slasher franchise where bad continuity is the rule rather than the exception. FvJ opens with a montage of the franchise that pretty firmly establishes it's following the previous movies sans New Nightmare. What I find even weirder is that FvJ is set just a couple of years after Fridays 7 and 8. So the high school characters in FvJ are the same generation as this guy: The montage doesn't mean anything. As simple as that, SOME events of the Mainstream ANOES Universe similarly occurred in the Freddy Vs. Jason Universe too. That said, Freddy vs. Jason doesn't match with Nightmare 6 at all. In the Freddy vs. Jason Universe, Springwood was never abandoned by people, and adults are not "new", they know about Freddy Krueger and his powers because they experienced him. We are shown exact clips from the other movies and there is no suggestion whatsoever this is a different universe. You're completely making this up. Springwood wasn't abandoned in FD, there were still adults there but the children had been wiped out. Is 2-4 years (depending if you consider FD 1999 or 2001, there's some division there) long enough for the town to get a dramatic makeover and repopulate with children? Unlikely, but the simple explanation is that the filmmakers didn't want to set FvJ in the future or explain all that just for a movie that was 12 years old and one of the least popular of the whole series. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 30, 2023 19:23:57 GMT
Moviebuffbrad: In FvJ. Trey's death is "dismissed"(COVERED UP) as accident? And why do the girls ever come back to school the day after, when there have been three killings (Trey, Blake and Blake's father) just few hours before? Gill was Trey's girlfriend! They say Blake murdered Trey and his father as a Columbine copycat. It's part of their Freddy coverup, yes. No one in these movies ever takes time off from school after their friends die, except possibly Glen in the first one. Probably because school is a convenient location for the characters to hangout and it helps introduce others like Linderman and the Jason Mewes wannabe. Her name was Gibb. |
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 30, 2023 22:32:31 GMT
The montage doesn't mean anything. As simple as that, SOME events of the Mainstream ANOES Universe similarly occurred in the Freddy Vs. Jason Universe too. That said, Freddy vs. Jason doesn't match with Nightmare 6 at all. In the Freddy vs. Jason Universe, Springwood was never abandoned by people, and adults are not "new", they know about Freddy Krueger and his powers because they experienced him. Springwood wasn't abandoned in FD, there were still adults there but the children had been wiped out. Is 2-4 years (depending if you consider FD 1999 or 2001, there's some division there) long enough for the town to get a dramatic makeover and repopulate with children? Unlikely, but the simple explanation is that the filmmakers didn't want to set FvJ in the future or explain all that just for a movie that was 12 years old and one of the least popular of the whole series.
The clips show the interdimensional counterparts of the FvJ Universe. Alternate versions, different universe. Elementary.
Freddy's Dead is set in 2001. The few adults are crazy, and not fully functional. The town is almost empty. Off-limits.
No, you cannot get such a dramatic makeover in few years. ALSO, there's another pivotal point which you can't ignore: in FvJ, the "new" adults of Springwood know Freddy Krueger, they know all about him and the ANOES events, and they also created a "system" to get Freddy out of their reality. They are not foreign people who randomly chose to repopulate an HAUNTED and CURSED town. They are supposed to be the Springwood teens of the eighties, now grown up.
Alternate universe all over the line, pal.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 30, 2023 22:45:39 GMT
Springwood wasn't abandoned in FD, there were still adults there but the children had been wiped out. Is 2-4 years (depending if you consider FD 1999 or 2001, there's some division there) long enough for the town to get a dramatic makeover and repopulate with children? Unlikely, but the simple explanation is that the filmmakers didn't want to set FvJ in the future or explain all that just for a movie that was 12 years old and one of the least popular of the whole series.
The clips show the interdimensional counterparts of the FvJ Universe. Alternate versions, different universe. Elementary.
Freddy's Dead is set in 2001. The few adults are crazy, and not fully functional. The town is almost empty. Off-limits.
No, you cannot get such a dramatic makeover in few years. ALSO, there's another pivotal point which you can't ignore: in FvJ, the "new" adults of Springwood know Freddy Krueger, they know all about him and the ANOES events, and they also created a "system" to get Freddy out of their reality. They are not foreign people who randomly chose to repopulate an HAUNTED and CURSED town. They are supposed to be the Springwood teens of the eighties, now grown up.
Alternate universe all over the line, pal.
I'm not your pal, buddy. In all seriousness, the way you treat your fan theories as objective fact really makes you sound like a jackass This is a movie where someone dressed like Jay from Jay and Silent Bob remarks upon seeing Jason Voorhees massacre a dozen of his friends, "Dude, that goalie was pissed about something". No one in the writing, directing, or editing process was likely thinking about "interdimensional counterparts" and it's kinda silly when you act like that's the natural, foregone conclusion. |
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 30, 2023 22:54:40 GMT
The clips show the interdimensional counterparts of the FvJ Universe. Alternate versions, different universe. Elementary.
Freddy's Dead is set in 2001. The few adults are crazy, and not fully functional. The town is almost empty. Off-limits.
No, you cannot get such a dramatic makeover in few years. ALSO, there's another pivotal point which you can't ignore: in FvJ, the "new" adults of Springwood know Freddy Krueger, they know all about him and the ANOES events, and they also created a "system" to get Freddy out of their reality. They are not foreign people who randomly chose to repopulate an HAUNTED and CURSED town. They are supposed to be the Springwood teens of the eighties, now grown up.
Alternate universe all over the line, pal.
I'm not your pal, buddy. In all seriousness, the way you treat your fan theories as objective fact really makes you sound like a jackass This is a movie where someone dressed like Jay from Jay and Silent Bob remarks upon seeing Jason Voorhees massacre a dozen of his friends, "Dude, that goalie was pissed about something". No one in the writing, directing, or editing process was likely thinking about "interdimensional counterparts" and it's kinda silly when you act like that's the natural, foregone conclusion.
The creature goes beyond the creators. What you see on-screen is the canon. It's up to fans to fill the gaps.
The writers were hired to write a crossover movie to cash big bucks from fans of both the series. That's it.
We true fans know that it's an alternate universe, now that MCU popularized the concept. Relax LOL.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 31, 2023 2:00:31 GMT
I'm not your pal, buddy. In all seriousness, the way you treat your fan theories as objective fact really makes you sound like a jackass This is a movie where someone dressed like Jay from Jay and Silent Bob remarks upon seeing Jason Voorhees massacre a dozen of his friends, "Dude, that goalie was pissed about something". No one in the writing, directing, or editing process was likely thinking about "interdimensional counterparts" and it's kinda silly when you act like that's the natural, foregone conclusion.
The creature goes beyond the creators. What you see on-screen is the canon. It's up to fans to fill the gaps.
The writers were hired to write a crossover movie to cash big bucks from fans of both the series. That's it.
We true fans know that it's an alternate universe, now that MCU popularized the concept. Relax LOL.
"True fans". Yeah, okay. You don't even know the characters' names. |
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 31, 2023 9:57:13 GMT
The creature goes beyond the creators. What you see on-screen is the canon. It's up to fans to fill the gaps.
The writers were hired to write a crossover movie to cash big bucks from fans of both the series. That's it.
We true fans know that it's an alternate universe, now that MCU popularized the concept. Relax LOL.
"True fans". Yeah, okay. You don't even know the characters' names.
"Gill" was a lapsus. She's Gibb, of course. My very first post in this thread shows what a true ANOES fan is capable of, my friend.
Oh well, anyway. Everyone in the world knows that the true ANOES is #1-6.
I loved the New Nightmare (masterpiece), and I enjoyed the 2010 reboot (it was good). FvJ was very good, despite it's a money-grabbing crossover operation, and Jason is an awful character from a mediocre horror series.
But the world is still talking about ANOES #1-6. That's the real deal, of course.
Have a nice day.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 31, 2023 9:59:42 GMT
"True fans". Yeah, okay. You don't even know the characters' names.
"Gill" was a lapsus. She's Gibb, of course.
Oh well, everyone in the world knows that the true ANOES is #1-6.
I loved the New Nightmare, and I enjoyed the 2010 reboot (it was good). FvJ was very good, despite it's a money-grabbing crossover operation, and Jason is an awful character from a mediocre horror series.
But the world is still talking about ANOES #1-6. That's the real deal, of course.
The Elm Street remake was good? |
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 31, 2023 10:04:35 GMT
The Elm Street remake was good?
I re-edited my previous post.
It was good, but it wasn't ANOES. It was a different take on the story, but it was a vastly inferior movie to the original or even the sequels. It was basically a rehash without new ideas or the maniac genius of ANOES #1-6.
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