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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 24, 2023 3:26:22 GMT
Actually, it doesn't sound like that it is Kevin Feige's plan, as not even Shang-Chi himself has any clue of when the sequel will happen. He even says it keeps getting pushed back further than the next Avengers... linkThey're not waiting on Ryan Coogler, Coogler hopes a third movie gets made or some sort of continuation happens in the near future even if someone new is at the helm, but right now it is definitely not a high priority for Marvel Studios, which doesn't really support the argument that Wakanda Forever was that much of a crowd-pleasing success, linkNo, definitely not minor delays, there are reports of both it and Echo being delayed for a full year quite some time before the strikes happened. Opinion pieces by one writer does not summarize the feelings of the majority of consumers. Try again. I don't care if you don't like Into the Spider-Verse, dislike it as much as you wish, if you dislike that people liked that movie more than Doctor Strange 2 then that is a you problem. Tell me why I, as well for anyone else engaged in this conversation, should believe you without proof? It is rather pathetic that you have to make it seem like bigotry is the only possible reason as to why the Ms. Marvel series didn't perform better on streaming and on basic television and create a false narrative that she is a widely disliked character - if that were the case, she wouldn't be featured in so many titles and other media besides the comic page, let alone a lead in her own TV series. The underperformance of an otherwise good program like Ms. Marvel is due to a lack of interest in the Marvel brand, see also the dismal performance of Secret Invasion. And? I still think it is wrong, and you agree to it would seem. It doesn't really matter how meaningful a movie attempts to be if its storytelling is ineffective and just fails to click with the viewer. Nether Wakanda Forever or Eternals are what I would describe as being fun movies to watch over and over again with friends and family at a get-together, the former is pretty depressing, very cold at times, and probably longer than it needs to be. Eternals I would apply the same as well, except instead of "depressing" I would say "dull". Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness has some fun scenes and exciting action, but it's pretty dark and disturbing in parts that won't sit well with that many people - you have a Wanda Maximoff who takes possession of a variant from a different universe who goes around popping heads, breaking necks, and slicing people in half, chasing the heroes around like horror movie villain, and Doctor Strange reanimating the corpse of a variant of himself. It's more of a movie to watch on Halloween than any other time of the year on any day. Black Widow is fun in some spots, but on the whole it is kind of depressing on account that you know the titular character dies sometime later in Endgame. Shang-Chi is fun, but half-way in the movie slows down too much and loses steam. However, that is really beside the point I was making, which was that you can watch a movie like Top Gun: Maverick and enjoy it without having seen the first movie, the same goes for the whole of the James Bond franchise. And for me personally I was able to follow The Bourne Ultimatum quite well in 2007 despite not seen either of the last two films before watching it. Other examples would be the sort of content Marvel Studios released before Phase Four. As the next Avengers is pushed back, so to is Shang Chi 2, because Shang Chi 2 is to always follow the next Avengers movie. And the pushback is due to the Strikes.
It took them years to do the sequel to Black Panther, which still wasn't finalized even when Boseman was still alive. So the "they should get on it ASAP" thing isn't really an argument.
No real reports, not until the strikes happened.
The majority flipped out when they saw the promo images of Patrick Stewart as Xavier and there parroting the theory around as well.
I'm merely pointing out the double standards here.
You didn't believe me when I reminded you how everyone was sure Guardians 1 would bomb either.
She was featured in all those titles and disliked for the same (sadly) bigoted reasons: Certain people simply don't like seeing nonwhites in their White Supremacy series.
Secret Invasion dismally performed...just like Andor for Star Wars, despite Andor being some of the best SW material in over 30 years.
I'm saying it still happens.
It means that the studio took the chance on that, and given all the complaining about them not taking bigger chances I find the response to be hilarious.
So a movie meant to be depressing and cold ended up being just that, good.
That's the kind of stuff the "fans" have been asking from the MCU, "darker and edgier" stuff.
No even by Phase 3 you needed to start following things. Phase 4 merely amped that up to include the D+ shows.
ANd like I said, Top Gun Maverick is no different from Sounds of Freedom.
According to Liu himself, the exact idea of when a sequel to Shang-Chi should happened has not been decided yet, it isn't even set in stone if it will come after the next Avengers, even. This, coupled with other statements and content itself, suggests the content strategy for the previous and current phase are nowhere as solidly structured as the previous three were. It is actually. They were hoping to put out a new movie sooner, but Boseman's passing coupled with the worldwide pandemic set things back. Now though there is really no excuse to not push forward on a third film, especially if its predecessor was as well liked as you claim it to have been. Try again. Nice fan fiction. More people responded better to Into the Spider-Verse than they did with Doctor Strange 2 because it was a better movie. It takes a more creative and clever approach to the multiverse concept as it experiments with it by its diverse supporting characters, animation design, humor, and pathos. There is a better balance of humor and drama, and it ends on a more positive and optimistic note that invites adventure. The variants of Spider-Man also do not make decisions that would be considered questionable or problematic that results in them being the villain of the story. At the end of the day, it is no more a comic book movie than Multiverse of Madness, but as far as most of the general public is concerned it is a more engaging and interesting superhero picture, and above all else just a lot more fun. As I have stated before, Multiverse of Madness isn't exactly the sort of movie you can watch on repeat any time and day of the week, there are some pretty intense sequences that are not going to create emotions as comparable to going "woo-hoo!" on a roller coaster ride. As for those "fans" who have been asking such content for years by Marvel Studios, maybe they got what they were looking for, but evidently the majority of consumers felt differently, hence the big drop off and the general lack of product relevancy in the mainstream. As for the rest of your comment...*Yawn* Your desperation to tire or anger opposition to your arguments by baiting into endless traps has gotten pretty old after the amount of time of your return here, and your banning on Knowhere shows not everybody is willing to put up with it.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Sept 29, 2023 16:09:04 GMT
Clearly people didn't think it ruined the cinematic experience if they kept going to see those movies. If you're speaking for yourself, fair enough. But I don't think the studio should've done what you wanted instead of what was making them billions of dollars because people enjoyed the product.
I am going to hold your hand and try to explain. In a simple language.
I think MCU are garbage yes.
I agree with Scorsese and Stephen Dorff about it (he has the most street cred because Blade was the first Marvel movie of the modern era and it has aged well, all things considered).
The MCU movies age badly because they were designed from day 1 to be part of a series and they never designed them to be standalone. If you think these were the best superhero films that could ever have been made, it shows your lack of experience and imagination. They never had time to do a better job because they were always running according to a time slot for release 3 years in advance. And they had so many characters to shoehorn into it.
And superhero movies, like mafia movies, were never meant to be appreciated equally by all audiences. They were always niche market. The reason they make a billion dollars is because the movies are shown around the globe--so if 10% of Malaysia goes to see it--that is added to the 15% in the middle east that watched it--and that is added to the 50% in Europe that watched it etc. They are using the whole world to make the boast that the film is widely popular--but if they only stuck to one market--the results would most likely be not impressive. Or, if people have few options to see a movie--they may choose it because they have nothng else to see.
Some people will watch anything.
Oppenheimer and Barbie are also examples of movies where they will add 15% of watchers in Malaysia to 15% in the Middle East etc and then claim it is a big hit.
This is like when Transformers came out and people said "man, what a terrible written movie" and they defended it by saying it made a lot of money. The Phantom Menace also made a lot of money and is still regarded as poor.
I am talking about quality and longevity--you are just taking about short term box office. The MCU movies will age badly because they were not made for superhero action movie fans-they were made for the globe-and mainstream audiences have already forgotten about them. Only the fans will be left to appreciate them and guarantee that as time goes on, the flaws with them will get more and more obvious. But no doubt Robocop will still be widely appreciated and that film was a sleeper hit--it didn't make a fraction of the money that Black Panther claimed to--but who wants to talk about that? People talk about the quality of Robocop-not its box office.
RoboCop? How strange. I don’t remember anything about RoboCop lol. Maybe Back to the Future or the first two Alien movies. But I can’t think of a single moment in my life where someone just brought up RoboCop in conversation or even suggested I rewatch it. I saw Iron Man with my dad and we loved it. Everyone I know remembers that movie fondly and only a couple of my friends even care about the MCU. Maybe not every film will be thought of that way but probably at least Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, Infinity War, and Black Panther for a lot of people.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 29, 2023 17:13:39 GMT
RoboCop? How strange. I don’t remember anything about RoboCop lol. Maybe Back to the Future or the first two Alien movies. But I can’t think of a single moment in my life where someone just brought up RoboCop in conversation or even suggested I rewatch it. I saw Iron Man with my dad and we loved it. Everyone I know remembers that movie fondly and only a couple of my friends even care about the MCU. Maybe not every film will be thought of that way but probably at least Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, Infinity War, and Black Panther for a lot of people. You are the minority then because among action movie fans, Robocop is highly regarded. The thing is--it was never made for mass audiences. Robocop was made for R-rated action movie fans. Like Dirty Harry etc.
There was someone on the Classic Film board who said the students she teaches in schools haven't even seen Iron Man. That is how disposable those films are now after 15 years.
Robocop only had 2 sequels and a tv series yet it was still highly regarded after 15 years and yet Iron Man is not after 15 despite so much media focus? Not a good sign. Also, Marvel is saying it will not recast X-men and other characters for Secret Wars--that suggests to me that they either don't expect or plan to do another new phase of them or they plan to switch to AI-CGI. The superhero fad is over IMO.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 2, 2023 0:53:14 GMT
There's no such thing as "Virtue Signaling", and yes the MCU was a White Male Supremacy series until 2018. And predictably, as soon as a major black movie came along and then a female led one, the "fans" lost their minds over the "contamination".
I don't dislike them, I just feel they were mediocre and didn't push the envelope terribly hard.
Yes, there is such a thing as virtue signaling, and you are doing it right now, either honestly or trying to hijack yet another thread with your nonsense. Then why do you think they're mediocre? What didn't they do to "push the envelope" as you say? There is no such thing as "Virtue Signaling", just like Critical Race Theory doesn't exist, or the "Gay Bomb" that turns Frogs into homosexuals.
Iron Man 2 almost tried something with Tony's self-destructiveness because he thought he was dying, went nowhere though. Iron Man 3 had interesting ideas about inventing fake threats to distract us from domestic issues but the "fans" didn't like that.
Off the top of my head
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 2, 2023 0:53:50 GMT
It does, it spells out how the movie is gutless fanservice. Timestamp where it fails at this. I quite clearly asked for a source that provides data that supports your claim that the majority of people who went to see No Way Home had no interest in Tom Holland's iteration of the character. However, I think you know quite well what I was asking but are just baiting me into another of your endless traps. Evidently, you seem to enjoy this practice quite a bit, and since you are not at risk of getting banned on this message board like you did on Knowhere, you are taking full advantage of trolling. Because the majority talk about seeing the old villains again and Tobey and Andrew, not Tom.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 2, 2023 0:57:09 GMT
As the next Avengers is pushed back, so to is Shang Chi 2, because Shang Chi 2 is to always follow the next Avengers movie. And the pushback is due to the Strikes.
It took them years to do the sequel to Black Panther, which still wasn't finalized even when Boseman was still alive. So the "they should get on it ASAP" thing isn't really an argument.
No real reports, not until the strikes happened.
The majority flipped out when they saw the promo images of Patrick Stewart as Xavier and there parroting the theory around as well.
I'm merely pointing out the double standards here.
You didn't believe me when I reminded you how everyone was sure Guardians 1 would bomb either.
She was featured in all those titles and disliked for the same (sadly) bigoted reasons: Certain people simply don't like seeing nonwhites in their White Supremacy series.
Secret Invasion dismally performed...just like Andor for Star Wars, despite Andor being some of the best SW material in over 30 years.
I'm saying it still happens.
It means that the studio took the chance on that, and given all the complaining about them not taking bigger chances I find the response to be hilarious.
So a movie meant to be depressing and cold ended up being just that, good.
That's the kind of stuff the "fans" have been asking from the MCU, "darker and edgier" stuff.
No even by Phase 3 you needed to start following things. Phase 4 merely amped that up to include the D+ shows.
ANd like I said, Top Gun Maverick is no different from Sounds of Freedom.
According to Liu himself, the exact idea of when a sequel to Shang-Chi should happened has not been decided yet, it isn't even set in stone if it will come after the next Avengers, even. This, coupled with other statements and content itself, suggests the content strategy for the previous and current phase are nowhere as solidly structured as the previous three were. It is actually. They were hoping to put out a new movie sooner, but Boseman's passing coupled with the worldwide pandemic set things back. Now though there is really no excuse to not push forward on a third film, especially if its predecessor was as well liked as you claim it to have been. Try again. Nice fan fiction. More people responded better to Into the Spider-Verse than they did with Doctor Strange 2 because it was a better movie. It takes a more creative and clever approach to the multiverse concept as it experiments with it by its diverse supporting characters, animation design, humor, and pathos. There is a better balance of humor and drama, and it ends on a more positive and optimistic note that invites adventure. The variants of Spider-Man also do not make decisions that would be considered questionable or problematic that results in them being the villain of the story. At the end of the day, it is no more a comic book movie than Multiverse of Madness, but as far as most of the general public is concerned it is a more engaging and interesting superhero picture, and above all else just a lot more fun. As I have stated before, Multiverse of Madness isn't exactly the sort of movie you can watch on repeat any time and day of the week, there are some pretty intense sequences that are not going to create emotions as comparable to going "woo-hoo!" on a roller coaster ride. As for those "fans" who have been asking such content for years by Marvel Studios, maybe they got what they were looking for, but evidently the majority of consumers felt differently, hence the big drop off and the general lack of product relevancy in the mainstream. As for the rest of your comment...*Yawn* Your desperation to tire or anger opposition to your arguments by baiting into endless traps has gotten pretty old after the amount of time of your return here, and your banning on Knowhere shows not everybody is willing to put up with it. If the strategy isn't as rock solid, blame Covid and the Strikes.
Coogler wants time to think, and Feige said he could take that time.
AGain, no real reports, not until the strikes happened.
It was all the buzz, to the point Feige thought the trailers gave away too much and gave the wrong idea.
So Multiverse brings out more painful emotions while Spiderverse is style over substance. Sounds like a good thing
So you got nothing.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 2, 2023 3:21:39 GMT
I am sorry, but I have to take a moment to laugh. After a whole week, it is only that that formersamhmd has decided to respond, and they have said nothing to further this discussion other than hold it hostage with such reinforced concepts. To them, apparently,
- People are not allowed to say Spider-Man: No Way Home is a good movie, let alone an enjoyable one at that, and cannot have the opinion that is better than other Phase Four installments like Eternals, Shang-Chi, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, Black Widow, and Wakanda Forever. To say No Way Home is superior to any of them is apparently a reflection of bad character and poor assessment of art.
- Into the Spider-Verse is not a better movie than Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and to believe so is an act of hypocrisy.
- Unless the criticism is made by them, no critical perspective of recent output by Marvel Studios is valid and the individual must be either ungrateful or have very dated political views.
- At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you present statements, numbers, and video as a counterargument, reality is what formersamhmd declares it as being.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 7, 2023 14:03:21 GMT
RoboCop? How strange. I don’t remember anything about RoboCop lol. Maybe Back to the Future or the first two Alien movies. But I can’t think of a single moment in my life where someone just brought up RoboCop in conversation or even suggested I rewatch it. I saw Iron Man with my dad and we loved it. Everyone I know remembers that movie fondly and only a couple of my friends even care about the MCU. Maybe not every film will be thought of that way but probably at least Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, Infinity War, and Black Panther for a lot of people. You are the minority then because among action movie fans, Robocop is highly regarded. The thing is--it was never made for mass audiences. Robocop was made for R-rated action movie fans. Like Dirty Harry etc.
There was someone on the Classic Film board who said the students she teaches in schools haven't even seen Iron Man. That is how disposable those films are now after 15 years.
Robocop only had 2 sequels and a tv series yet it was still highly regarded after 15 years and yet Iron Man is not after 15 despite so much media focus? Not a good sign. Also, Marvel is saying it will not recast X-men and other characters for Secret Wars--that suggests to me that they either don't expect or plan to do another new phase of them or they plan to switch to AI-CGI. The superhero fad is over IMO.
Jesus man, what is it with you and Robocop? Not to step on someone else's argument, but Iron Man and all MCU movies are on a constant loop on like ten different cable channels. Meanwhile, I can't remember the last time I saw Robocop playing anywhere. I can't remember the last time anyone other than you mentioned that movie. You bring it up constantly. Who are you, Paul Verhoeven? It's great that you love the movie, I thought it was alright back in the day. But you loving Robocop or hating superhero movies isn't indicative of society at large.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 7, 2023 16:26:07 GMT
Jesus man, what is it with you and Robocop? Not to step on someone else's argument, but Iron Man and all MCU movies are on a constant loop on like ten different cable channels. Meanwhile, I can't remember the last time I saw Robocop playing anywhere. I can't remember the last time anyone other than you mentioned that movie. You bring it up constantly. Who are you, Paul Verhoeven? It's great that you love the movie, I thought it was alright back in the day. But you loving Robocop or hating superhero movies isn't indicative of society at large. I am using it as an example to show how enthusiasm for something can be measured.
Just because it is playing on 10 different cable channels does not mean it is popular. The weather plays on many channels and no one is enthusiastic about the broadcasts.
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Post by pennypacker on Oct 7, 2023 18:21:13 GMT
Jesus man, what is it with you and Robocop? Not to step on someone else's argument, but Iron Man and all MCU movies are on a constant loop on like ten different cable channels. Meanwhile, I can't remember the last time I saw Robocop playing anywhere. I can't remember the last time anyone other than you mentioned that movie. You bring it up constantly. Who are you, Paul Verhoeven? It's great that you love the movie, I thought it was alright back in the day. But you loving Robocop or hating superhero movies isn't indicative of society at large. I am using it as an example to show how enthusiasm for something can be measured.
Just because it is playing on 10 different cable channels does not mean it is popular. The weather plays on many channels and no one is enthusiastic about the broadcasts.
Speak for yourself. I am very enthusiastic about weather.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 7, 2023 19:30:16 GMT
Jesus man, what is it with you and Robocop? Not to step on someone else's argument, but Iron Man and all MCU movies are on a constant loop on like ten different cable channels. Meanwhile, I can't remember the last time I saw Robocop playing anywhere. I can't remember the last time anyone other than you mentioned that movie. You bring it up constantly. Who are you, Paul Verhoeven? It's great that you love the movie, I thought it was alright back in the day. But you loving Robocop or hating superhero movies isn't indicative of society at large. I am using it as an example to show how enthusiasm for something can be measured.
Just because it is playing on 10 different cable channels does not mean it is popular. The weather plays on many channels and no one is enthusiastic about the broadcasts.
Sure thing, boss. Those networks keep playing movies they know nobody wants to watch, so they can sell ad space to companies while they all agree the viewership is near zero. That's definitely how network programming works. There are 239 pages on this topic because nobody cares. Point me to the Robocop board, will you?
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 7, 2023 21:49:43 GMT
Sure thing, boss. Those networks keep playing movies they know nobody wants to watch, so they can sell ad space to companies while they all agree the viewership is near zero. That's definitely how network programming works. There are 239 pages on this topic because nobody cares. Point me to the Robocop board, will you? Nice try haha. As if this board is for one Marvel film alone.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 8, 2023 3:04:15 GMT
Sure thing, boss. Those networks keep playing movies they know nobody wants to watch, so they can sell ad space to companies while they all agree the viewership is near zero. That's definitely how network programming works. There are 239 pages on this topic because nobody cares. Point me to the Robocop board, will you? Nice try haha. As if this board is for one Marvel film alone.
As if you were complaining about one movie. You said nobody watches or cares about MCU movies. Guardians 3 made $845M at the box office 5 months ago because 'people are tired of the MCU.' Nice try haha.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 8, 2023 7:26:12 GMT
As if you were complaining about one movie. You said nobody watches or cares about MCU movies. Guardians 3 made $845M at the box office 5 months ago because 'people are tired of the MCU.' Nice try haha. Yeah yeah and people loved it so much they forgot it 5 minutes later.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 8, 2023 12:47:30 GMT
As if you were complaining about one movie. You said nobody watches or cares about MCU movies. Guardians 3 made $845M at the box office 5 months ago because 'people are tired of the MCU.' Nice try haha. Yeah yeah and people loved it so much they forgot it 5 minutes later.
Still looking for the Robocop board.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 8, 2023 16:08:56 GMT
Still looking for the Robocop board. That's the spirit!
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