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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 30, 2017 20:41:44 GMT
Thoughts?
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Post by rateater on Jul 30, 2017 21:14:30 GMT
no, but they aren't doing a great job. rogue one is an ok edition to the franchise. they might do something right sometime down the line.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jul 30, 2017 22:44:22 GMT
Considering the fact that so many people hate George Lucas's prequel trilogy, I bet they would also hate any Sequel films that George Lucas would have come up with... So I don't see any issues with him selling the franchise...
However, I have to wonder if selling it to another company, instead of Disney... MIGHT ....have been a better decision...
On the other hand... Because there are so many "So-Called" "Star Wars" fans, who believe that their childhood love for their "precious" original trilogy, has been trampled on, because there were movies that were made after "Return Of The Jedi"... I honestly believe that any new movies made by even the best writers and best studios, would never satisfy them, and they would just hate those too... Because it seems to me that most people today only know how to pick movies apart, and bitch and complain, instead of just sitting down with some popcorn and having a good time for a couple of hours...
As someone who grew up watching the original trilogy in the theaters, I'll admit, that all the movies, starting with The Phantom Menace had problems... But I never understood why so many people lashed out at the films with pure hatred... There's been something about each and everyone that I enjoyed... And if nothing else, I was able to see more stories involving the characters & universe I loved so much as a kid...
We all want & demand sequels to our favorite movies... Now imagine a world without any, after "Return Of The Jedi".
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Post by azzajones on Jul 31, 2017 4:33:42 GMT
I'm trying to think who else could he have sold it to? I don't know that a different studio would've done all that much better with the material.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 31, 2017 5:12:42 GMT
Hell. No.
We would've had 3D releases of I-VI & more tv junk.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 8:28:59 GMT
It's fun to think of what kind of episode 7 we might've gotten had Lucas sold to 20th Century Fox or Paramount, or some other major studio. I'm sure each of them would've done something a little differently.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jul 31, 2017 9:48:17 GMT
Not per se, Lucas was tired of it. And he still gets PTSD and fanboy-allergy rashes whenever he comes close to a computer with internet access. The purchase price for LF was maybe a tad too low, but 4B or 5B what is the practical difference for an individual of that age?
Artistically speaking, we have seen too few Disney results to give a definitive answer. R1, warts and all, did it right, this is a solid template to improve upon. Rebels is ok (a downgrade from TCW artistically and production-value wise but still good), same with the new EU. TFA of course is a rushed hack job of a fanfiction rehash pandering to the lowest dumb-masses denominator, hope this one remains the exception, not R1.
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Post by miike80 on Jul 31, 2017 10:43:40 GMT
He did the right thing selling, if he wasn't gonna do anything else with it. Disney shit the bed with TFA, that's another story. R1 was a worthy addition, but i think we'll have to wait a while for another good one. I like Rian Johnson, but i don't know how much he could do with these shitty charachters
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Post by furiousstyles77 on Jul 31, 2017 12:12:05 GMT
Considering he retired the franchise i would say absolutly not, we have had 2 fine star wars films in the space of 1 year with more to come.
Did we really want the prequels to leave that horrid taste in our mouths ?
Star wars is alive and well , in a lot better place since Revenge of the Sith , and i still cant forgive him for the horrendous special editions, for anyone that watches the OT for the first time know early on that Vader is Lukes father which i find totally out of order to add, destroys the original shock horror at the end of Empire.
Just imagine a Sequel trilogy made by Lucas ? it would be so very average
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 31, 2017 22:05:02 GMT
Considering he retired the franchise i would say absolutly not, we have had 2 fine star wars films in the space of 1 year with more to come.
Did we really want the prequels to leave that horrid taste in our mouths ?
Star wars is alive and well , in a lot better place since Revenge of the Sith , and i still cant forgive him for the horrendous special editions, for anyone that watches the OT for the first time know early on that Vader is Lukes father which i find totally out of order to add, destroys the original shock horror at the end of Empire.
Just imagine a Sequel trilogy made by Lucas ? it would be so very average
Maybe, but it probably wouldn't be a remake of episode 4. Disney has access to an entire backlog of stories and characters from the EU that is no longer canon and they could have done something with that, but they choose to remake episode 4. I'll give them props for rogue One but fuck them for what they did with Episode 7.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 22:46:41 GMT
So do you think that the products we are seeing are more Disney, or Lucasfilm without Lucas? I'm pretty sure one of the reasons that Lucas went with Disney was that they were the studio that had the least reputation as meddling with their subsidiaries vs Sony, FOX, etc.
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Post by pete8680 on Aug 1, 2017 0:55:52 GMT
Shame he didn't sell 2 Fox. We wouldn't of gotten that horrible Independence Day Resurgence.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 1, 2017 1:35:12 GMT
So do you think that the products we are seeing are more Disney, or Lucasfilm without Lucas? I'm pretty sure one of the reasons that Lucas went with Disney was that they were the studio that had the least reputation as meddling with their subsidiaries vs Sony, FOX, etc. I'm fairly certain the reason Disney were the ones who bought LucasFilm was because they were the studio who paid enough money for it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 2:04:14 GMT
So do you think that the products we are seeing are more Disney, or Lucasfilm without Lucas? I'm pretty sure one of the reasons that Lucas went with Disney was that they were the studio that had the least reputation as meddling with their subsidiaries vs Sony, FOX, etc. In the case of TFA it was mostly ANH where it was "something old" and more Disney than LucasFilm in "something new". But it seems that they somewhat departed (or re-shot) from that formula when it came to Rogue One. So it's hard to say whether what we get in SW going forward will be more Disney or more LucasFilm. But I definitely think Disney has been more meddling with LucasFilm than any of their other subsidiaries. Look at all the production problems and changes that they've made in most of their SW films. And look at how many times Kathleen Kennedy's name has been in the middle of it. The hands-on choices and hands-on midstream changes smells of a meddling spirit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 3:11:35 GMT
So do you think that the products we are seeing are more Disney, or Lucasfilm without Lucas? I'm pretty sure one of the reasons that Lucas went with Disney was that they were the studio that had the least reputation as meddling with their subsidiaries vs Sony, FOX, etc. In the case of TFA it was mostly ANH where it was "something old" and more Disney than LucasFilm in "something new". But it seems that they somewhat departed (or re-shot) from that formula when it came to Rogue One. So it's hard to say whether what we get in SW going forward will be more Disney or more LucasFilm. But I definitely think Disney has been more meddling with LucasFilm than any of their other subsidiaries. Look at all the production problems and changes that they've made in most of their SW films. And look at how many times Kathleen Kennedy's name has been in the middle of it. The hands-on choices and hands-on midstream changes smells of a meddling spirit. Kathleen Kennedy is LucasFilm, isn't she? I really don't see her as a Disney product at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 6:44:05 GMT
In the case of TFA it was mostly ANH where it was "something old" and more Disney than LucasFilm in "something new". But it seems that they somewhat departed (or re-shot) from that formula when it came to Rogue One. So it's hard to say whether what we get in SW going forward will be more Disney or more LucasFilm. But I definitely think Disney has been more meddling with LucasFilm than any of their other subsidiaries. Look at all the production problems and changes that they've made in most of their SW films. And look at how many times Kathleen Kennedy's name has been in the middle of it. The hands-on choices and hands-on midstream changes smells of a meddling spirit. Kathleen Kennedy is LucasFilm, isn't she? I really don't see her as a Disney product at all. Uh... that's an interesting topic. Kathleen Kennedy has worked/associated with Spielberg and Lucas off and on for a long time. She began shadowing and mentoring under Lucas during the latter years of Lucas partly producing and serving as consultant on CWAS (Clone Wars animated series). Lucas groomed her on the production nature of SW and the nature of the lore and universe of SW. Kennedy was publicly and privately very appeasing and amicable to the process and direction of her "apprenticeship". When Lucas sold to Disney he recommended Kennedy to head up LucasFilm. Disney met with her and made her head and president of LucasFilm. However ever since her appointment by Disney as head of LucasFilm almost every SW decision she has made has reflected Disney more than LucasFilm. ** Despite the fact that she praised the CWAS and it's foundation (the prequels) during her "mentor period" with George, after being appointed by Disney she indicated the PT would not be reflected in any way in the new films. And even took it a step further by making negative comments on it in a Vanity Fair article. ** Although publicly praising the lead female character in CWAS (a female Jedi apprentice named Ahsoka) as a strong female character and role model for little girls, Kennedy began seeking to develop a female Jedi apprentice with different characteristics. Consulting with Abrams she encouraged the development of a character that fit the qualities of a magical warrior princess who launches onto the scene from a humble background. ** Kennedy invited Lucas in as a consultant. She also wanted any script material Lucas had developed towards an episode 7. But flatly rejected most of it and attempts at compromise with her and Disney's vision failed. On the surface it might seem to be a matter of simply discovering a difference in vision but it seems reasonable that Kennedy should've suspected something other than a story full of homage (or rehash depending on your point of view) after mentoring so closely with Lucas. ** Kennedy shut down LucasArts, the video game division and developer of SW. It exists in name only now with a roster of 10 employees. A move that has produced so far a Lego SW retread and a redeveloped reboot of a classic (SW Battlefront). The latters developer and publisher (EA as in EA Sports) has a track record in the genre of bad to none. And this move has yet to produce a fresh idea in SW video games; something that LucasArts usually produced and thrived on in a game genre that often depends on it. ** Speculative rumors swirled that Kennedy influenced the development of the Jyn Erso character in Rogue One to follow a similar warrior princess archetype of the Rey character. But once some backlash began to surface over Rey's characterization in TFA, she brought in a new director to reshoot some of the scenes to change that tone. Another rumor said that the Disney demographic of test screening audiences found Jyn to be too much of a "female Rambo" for SW and certain scenes too dark. Whatever the case massive reshoots were done. And without ever knowing the true reason, many scenes that featured Jyn and Cassian in the early trailers never made it in the theatrical release. These decisions and others paint Kathleen Kennedy as a Disney appointee directing and overseeing LucasFilm rather than a LucasFilm boss who answers to Disney.
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Post by furiousstyles77 on Aug 1, 2017 8:16:53 GMT
Considering he retired the franchise i would say absolutly not, we have had 2 fine star wars films in the space of 1 year with more to come.
Did we really want the prequels to leave that horrid taste in our mouths ?
Star wars is alive and well , in a lot better place since Revenge of the Sith , and i still cant forgive him for the horrendous special editions, for anyone that watches the OT for the first time know early on that Vader is Lukes father which i find totally out of order to add, destroys the original shock horror at the end of Empire.
Just imagine a Sequel trilogy made by Lucas ? it would be so very average
Maybe, but it probably wouldn't be a remake of episode 4. Disney has access to an entire backlog of stories and characters from the EU that is no longer canon and they could have done something with that, but they choose to remake episode 4. I'll give them props for rogue One but fuck them for what they did with Episode 7. TFA is a sequel to the OT, it is not a remake , its a different story arc, suggest you watch A New Hope and TFA again , shock horror there are similairties , it is a Sequel set 30 years after the OT , at the end of the day its a very enjoyable Star Wars movie
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Aug 1, 2017 9:17:35 GMT
Kathleen Kennedy is LucasFilm, isn't she? I really don't see her as a Disney product at all. Uh... that's an interesting topic. Kathleen Kennedy has worked/associated with Spielberg and Lucas off and on for a long time. She began shadowing and mentoring under Lucas during the latter years of Lucas partly producing and serving as consultant on CWAS (Clone Wars animated series). Lucas groomed her on the production nature of SW and the nature of the lore and universe of SW. Kennedy was publicly and privately very appeasing and amicable to the process and direction of her "apprenticeship". When Lucas sold to Disney he recommended Kennedy to head up LucasFilm. Disney met with her and made her head and president of LucasFilm. However ever since her appointment by Disney as head of LucasFilm almost every SW decision she has made has reflected Disney more than LucasFilm. ** Despite the fact that she praised the CWAS and it's foundation (the prequels) during her "mentor period" with George, after being appointed by Disney she indicated the PT would not be reflected in any way in the new films. And even took it a step further by making negative comments on it in a Vanity Fair article. ** Although publicly praising the lead female character in CWAS (a female Jedi apprentice named Ahsoka) as a strong female character and role model for little girls, Kennedy began seeking to develop a female Jedi apprentice with different characteristics. Consulting with Abrams she encouraged the development of a character that fit the qualities of a warrior princess who launches onto the scene from a humble background. ** Kennedy invited Lucas in as a consultant. She also wanted any script material Lucas had developed towards an episode 7. But flatly rejected most of it and attempts at compromise with her and Disney's vision failed. On the surface it might seem to be a matter of simply discovering a difference in vision but it seems reasonable that Kennedy should've suspected something other than a story full of homage (or rehash depending on your point of view) after mentoring so closely with Lucas. ** Kennedy shut down LucasArts, the video game division and developer of SW. It exists in name only now with a roster of 10 employees. A move that has produced so far a Lego SW retread and a redeveloped reboot of a classic (SW Battlefront). The latters developer and publisher (EA as in EA Sports) has a track record in the genre of bad to none. And this move has yet to produce a fresh idea in SW video games; something that LucasArts usually produced and thrived on in a game genre that often depends on it. ** Speculative rumors swirled that Kennedy influenced the development of the Jyn Erso character in Rogue One to follow a similar warrior princess archetype of the Rey character. But once some backlash began to surface over Rey's characterization in TFA, she brought in a new director to reshoot some of the scenes to change that tone. Another rumor said that the Disney demographic of test screening audiences found Jyn to be too much of a "female Rambo" for SW and certain scenes too dark. Whatever the case massive reshoots were done. And without ever knowing the true reason, many scenes that featured Jyn and Cassian in the early trailers never made it in the theatrical release. These decisions and others paint Kathleen Kennedy as a Disney appointee directing and overseeing LucasFilm rather than a LucasFilm boss who answers to Disney. Maybe these were Kathleen's own decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 9:49:39 GMT
Maybe, but it probably wouldn't be a remake of episode 4. Disney has access to an entire backlog of stories and characters from the EU that is no longer canon and they could have done something with that, but they choose to remake episode 4. I'll give them props for rogue One but fuck them for what they did with Episode 7. TFA is a sequel to the OT, it is not a remake , its a different story arc, suggest you watch A New Hope and TFA again , shock horror there are similairties , it is a Sequel set 30 years after the OT , at the end of the day its a very enjoyable Star Wars movie Same movies. Same story arch as ANH. Same plot as ANH when TFA had one. Same story outlines mostly. Same ships. Same planets, change name. Same Jawas, change name. Same Death Star buried inside Hoth, change name. Same mechanical voice helmet. Same space station commander, make younger and change name. Same Rebel... I mean Resistance base. Same..... Oh crap! Dis is nutso! Easier to list what was original. They had a Disney princess. A warrior princess! BB8. Didn't hims just do da same thing R2 did in ANH? And a Stormtrooper with Clonetrooper programming who became a dark skinned human Jar Jar! 👍
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 10:07:20 GMT
Considering he retired the franchise i would say absolutly not, we have had 2 fine star wars films in the space of 1 year with more to come.
Did we really want the prequels to leave that horrid taste in our mouths ?
Star wars is alive and well , in a lot better place since Revenge of the Sith , and i still cant forgive him for the horrendous special editions, for anyone that watches the OT for the first time know early on that Vader is Lukes father which i find totally out of order to add, destroys the original shock horror at the end of Empire.
Just imagine a Sequel trilogy made by Lucas ? it would be so very average
Instead weesa got a very average movie in TFA full of nostalgically banal rehash. Trite old characters and maudlin new characters and acting.
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