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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 2, 2017 20:39:05 GMT
Eh, admittedly that's all she's ever been. agreed, the female CBM character writing stinks DCs', mainly. They even need artificial boosters to get Wonder Woman to be a decent film.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 3, 2017 1:31:25 GMT
The MCU is the definition of superficial. Depends on how ashamed you are of the comics they come from. So basically you're ashamed of the MCU. And so you should be.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 3, 2017 1:34:22 GMT
why so huffy, samy? If THAT is what they were going for, "try harder" is a good writing advise: Reluctance to fight and mutual respect (lol!) is the last thing one would construe from their interactions, quite the contrary. They seemed rather like: I come from the kewlest neighborhood, were are you from, bitch? It's how people in my town talk too, it's a friendly sort of thing to say. So I get it. "You know the good old "Show Don't Tell" rule" Yeah, and MCU does it better than DC and Fox. As for why Tony brought Spidey, he figured with his powers and skills he'd be capable of helping. It's called being a fallible Human character. And Logan wasn't that good, to be honest. Critics just went easy on it because it was Jackman's swan song. Yet again, you can't substantiate anything you're saying, nor are capable of admitting it. "Sad!"
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 3, 2017 1:44:20 GMT
It means they didn't want to fight each other and had mutual respect. Try harder. why did Iron & Co bring a strange 14 year old child to a fierce superhero brawl the child has no real stake, history or understanding in, are they completely irresponsible idiots? Answer: yes, no good reason but fans wanted to see Spiderkid in action in an alleged Cap movie. Utterly lazy fan service, samy. Another classic line from the airport fight: "Mr. Stark, what do I do now?"
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Post by charzhino on Aug 3, 2017 8:36:05 GMT
Please, you call that pretentious nonsense Zod was spouting "fantastic"? At least people in the MCU talk like people. No one in movies talks like regular everday people. And Zod is a alien military general, his speech is perfectly fine and no different to how Loki and Thor speak in exaggerated tones.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 3, 2017 9:21:38 GMT
agreed, the female CBM character writing stinks DCs', mainly. They even need artificial boosters to get Wonder Woman to be a decent film. ugh, that always makes you sound like a sexist in the closet. Don't say this in public. When speaking of boosters I would typically think of MCU movies like SMH with the IM boost; WW took the great risk of (fresh) female leads before and behind the camera in a notoriously misogynic genre, and was richly rewarded for it. Your envy and denial only cement that historic fact.
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Post by sostie on Aug 3, 2017 9:35:19 GMT
why did Iron & Co bring a strange 14 year old child to a fierce superhero brawl the child has no real stake, history or understanding in, are they completely irresponsible idiots? Answer: yes, no good reason but fans wanted to see Spiderkid in action in an alleged Cap movie. Utterly lazy fan service, samy. Another classic line from the airport fight: "Mr. Stark, what do I now?" Another mis-remembered/made up line. I wonder if you actually do like DCEU films or do you just remember them how you want to, the same way you remember MCU films how you want to. You make up dialogue and events in MCU films to "concrete" your hate, do you make up, or forget, dialogue and events in DCEU films to concrete your love?
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Post by sostie on Aug 3, 2017 9:55:53 GMT
Captain America: "I'm from Brooklyn." Spider-Man: "I'm from Queens."
What does that even mean? What comes next ?
Cap America: "I’m circumcised" Spiderboy: "Im all man" Hulk: "hahaha, I am famous for my huge zucchini!"
Well Cap probably recognised the accent as New York, and wanted to know where he was from. Bit of New York Borough rivalry. Personally thought it was a nice touch, as it's something that appears often in MCU comics (and TV series) - characters sticking to and having pride in their own little part of a big city. To be fair, if he brought down Ant/Giant-Man like that and made no reference to ESB, there would be accusations of ripping off another Disney property.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 3, 2017 10:53:56 GMT
Well Cap probably recognised the accent as New York, and wanted to know where he was from. Bit of New York Borough rivalry. Personally thought it was a nice touch, as it's something that appears often in MCU comics (and TV series) - characters sticking to and having pride in their own little part of a big city. To be fair, if he brought down Ant/Giant-Man like that and made no reference to ESB, there would be accusations of ripping off another Disney property. fair enough, these quotes would barely make it on my top ten "in your face MCU fans" quote-list anyway. The point was more directed towards ArchStanton's ramblings how the dialogue during MCU-brawlings deepens the cinematic experience vis-a-vis DC films. This CW dialogue seems absolutely tone deaf considering we are dealing with a tense situation of the breaking-up of friendships and alliances between close friends (and some shoehorned-in why-am-i-even-here characters like Spidey and BlackCatman).
But this is exactly what MCU fans love, and MCU sceptics hate about MCU: one man's trash is another's treasure....I know what a huuuuge prequel fan you are, lets enhance the dialogue in Sith a la MCU style, shall we?
ANAKIN desperately struggles to pull himself up the embankment with his remaining mechanical hand. His thin leather glove has been burned off. He slowly keeps sliding down in the black sand.
OBI-WAN: (continuing) . . . You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would, destroy the Sith, not join them. The one who would bring balance to the Force, not leave it in Darkness. The one who would defeat Evil by a dance off, not have a dance with it!
OBI-WAN picks up Anakin's light saber and begins to walk away. He stops and looks back in deep angish , but his cape is comically flying into his face because of relentless winds.
ANAKIN: I don't care, you killed my mom...and squished my light saber!!! I hate you!
OBI-WAN: You were my brother, Sithhead. I loved you....like a brother...I mean you know, not the other, wrong way. We Jedi dont do that, it's so un-Jedi code-y, huh?
(He winks into the camera)
ANAKIN: Go play "hide the lightsaber" alone from now on, Jedi poodoo...I'm so burnt with you all, I cant even make children anymore, I feel like a monster. Game over man.
ANAKIN'S clothing blows into the lava river and ignites. Suddenly ANAKIN bursts into flames and starts SCREAMING.
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Post by sostie on Aug 3, 2017 11:56:10 GMT
Well Cap probably recognised the accent as New York, and wanted to know where he was from. Bit of New York Borough rivalry. Personally thought it was a nice touch, as it's something that appears often in MCU comics (and TV series) - characters sticking to and having pride in their own little part of a big city. To be fair, if he brought down Ant/Giant-Man like that and made no reference to ESB, there would be accusations of ripping off another Disney property. fair enough, these quotes would barely make it on my top ten "in your face MCU fans" quote-list anyway. The point was more directed towards ArchStanton's ramblings how the dialogue during MCU-brawlings deepens the cinematic experience vis-a-vis DC films. This CW dialogue seems absolutely tone deaf considering we are dealing with a tense situation of the breaking-up of friendships and alliances between close friends (and some shoehorned-in why-am-i-even-here characters like Spidey and BlackCatman).
But this is exactly what MCU fans love, and MCU sceptics hate about MCU: one man's trash is another's treasure....I know what a huuuuge prequel fan you are, lets enhance the dialogue in Sith a la MCU style, shall we?
ANAKIN desperately struggles to pull himself up the embankment with his remaining mechanical hand. His thin leather glove has been burned off. He slowly keeps sliding down in the black sand.
OBI-WAN: (continuing) . . . You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would, destroy the Sith, not join them. The one who would bring balance to the Force, not leave it in Darkness. The one who would defeat Evil by a dance off, not have a dance with it!
OBI-WAN picks up Anakin's light saber and begins to walk away. He stops and looks back in deep angish , but his cape is comically flying into his face because of relentless winds.
ANAKIN: I don't care, you killed my mom...and squished my light saber!!! I hate you!
OBI-WAN: You were my brother, Sithhead. I loved you....like a brother...I mean you know, not the other, wrong way. We Jedi dont do that, it's so un-Jedi code-y, huh?
(He winks into the camera)
ANAKIN: Go play "hide the lightsaber" alone from now on, Jedi poodoo...I'm so burnt with you all, I cant even make children anymore, I feel like a monster. Game over man.
ANAKIN'S clothing blows into the lava river and ignites. Suddenly ANAKIN bursts into flames and starts SCREAMING.
C'mon...even I would prefer the original dialogue. Also that would be out of character for that series and those characters. Whether right or wrong MCU seemed to have embraced it's comic roots more than DCEU have. Marvel comics have mixed drama and humour as it generally appears on the page, whereas DCEU seems to be focussing on Frank Miller era comics/Nolan Dark Knight template. They have different approaches to the same genre.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 3, 2017 12:40:09 GMT
Depends on how ashamed you are of the comics they come from. So basically you're ashamed of the DCEU. And so you should be. Fixed.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 3, 2017 12:40:53 GMT
It's how people in my town talk too, it's a friendly sort of thing to say. So I get it. "You know the good old "Show Don't Tell" rule" Yeah, and MCU does it better than DC and Fox. As for why Tony brought Spidey, he figured with his powers and skills he'd be capable of helping. It's called being a fallible Human character. And Logan wasn't that good, to be honest. Critics just went easy on it because it was Jackman's swan song. Yet again, you can't substantiate anything you're saying. Critics go easy on Swansongs, that's pretty obvious.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 3, 2017 12:42:28 GMT
DCs', mainly. They even need artificial boosters to get Wonder Woman to be a decent film. ugh, that always makes you sound like a sexist in the closet. Don't say this in public. When speaking of boosters I would typically think of MCU movies like SMH with the IM boost; WW took the great risk of (fresh) female leads before and behind the camera in a notoriously misogynic genre, and was richly rewarded for it. Your envy and denial only cement that historic fact.
There's nothing sexist about admitting that a mediocre film coming out after objectively bad films makes the mediocre look good. Iron Man was in the movie for less than 10 minutes, that's no booster. WW took few risks, they used a well known character who already had a good intro in another movie. If they'd made the film about Black Canary then that'd be a risk.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 3, 2017 12:43:34 GMT
Please, you call that pretentious nonsense Zod was spouting "fantastic"? At least people in the MCU talk like people. No one in movies talks like regular everday people. And Zod is a alien military general, his speech is perfectly fine and no different to how Loki and Thor speak in exaggerated tones. Most MCU characters talk like normal people, something the FoX-Men could learn from if they pulled their heads out of Xavier and Magnetos' asses. And Jennifer Lawrences'.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 3, 2017 13:21:42 GMT
ugh, that always makes you sound like a sexist in the closet. Don't say this in public. When speaking of boosters I would typically think of MCU movies like SMH with the IM boost; WW took the great risk of (fresh) female leads before and behind the camera in a notoriously misogynic genre, and was richly rewarded for it. Your envy and denial only cement that historic fact.
There's nothing sexist about admitting that a mediocre film coming out after objectively bad films makes the mediocre look good. lol, so that's the infamous WW-booster making WW so popular, highly regarded and historic? Hardly!
There are several fallacies in your reasoning : "Objectively bad films" is illogical nonsense you picked up from the fallaciousraptor: "Bad" is a qualification according to your opinion. Opinions are per definition subjective, facts are objective - an opinion based on facts is called an assessment or appraisal. Thus, your argument is invalid at this - objective - logical level already.
Further you engage in an ad absurdum argument and a false cause fallacy by claiming such success is linked and based on the fact that the prior films were "objectively bad". Obvious nonsense empirically and logically speaking. QED
Iron Man was in the movie for less than 10 minutes, that's no booster. lol again, because you say so without any bias, right? Conveniently disregarding the heavy IM marketing and the fact all popular RDJ as IM is in the movie...
so, suddenly there are good elements to BvS? Hm and your criteria apparently failed with a much more popular character in SMH, WW beat Spidey, not with love but numbers.
And the risk was doing a female led superhero movie - all of which historically flopped hard so far! Thus the film needed to create and persuade its not-built-in audience by quality. HUGE risk if you know how product risks assessments and product launches in business work.... (see above).
Apart from that, 40+ may know the character, 30- has no idea who or what she really is. I know Supergirl (from several shows, films etc), Batwoman/girl and Catwoman of course. But WW? Never had her own movie, and the TV show is basically forgotten amongst the younger generation.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 3, 2017 13:52:04 GMT
No one in movies talks like regular everday people. And Zod is a alien military general, his speech is perfectly fine and no different to how Loki and Thor speak in exaggerated tones. Most MCU characters talk like normal people, something the FoX-Men could learn from if they pulled their heads out of Xavier and Magnetos' asses. And Jennifer Lawrences'. The dialogue in X-Men is written with primarily adult audiences in mind wheras the MCU is aimed at kid crowds. Thats why you see excessive quipping, one liners and very few 1 on 1 dramatic scenes heavy in dialogue in Marvel films. Its not even comparable.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 3, 2017 13:55:22 GMT
So basically you're ashamed of the DCEU. And so you should be. Fixed. So you're ashamed of the MCU, got it.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 3, 2017 13:56:10 GMT
Yet again, you can't substantiate anything you're saying. Critics go easy on Swansongs, that's pretty obvious. Nah, you're just talking out your presumably gigantic ass.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 3, 2017 19:51:44 GMT
Well, it's not that stylized. But personally I don't see what's wrong with taking a more.....idk.......painterly approach? Well no, not that stylized. Just saying I get what you're trying to say. The way I used to describe it is that DC movies always went for making things feel epic and larger than life. But at the same time it's a total 180 from where they started. Snyder was all about how MoS was going to be his most realistic that it will be like a documentary. Then you get to BvS and JL and it's right back to 300 and Sucker Punch. JL is very stylized in that in most of the trailer you can see the green screen. Almost all of the backgrounds look fake.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 3, 2017 20:14:27 GMT
Yeah I know, but that's not what I was referring to. I'm specifically talking about the fight itself. Watch Iron Man VS Hulk in Age of Ultron. Tony is narrating, he's telling you what his plans are, etc. Watch the Guardians battle Ronan at the end of GOTG, there are flashbacks to his mom, there is visual communication between the team, there is story happening. Watch Cap fight Bucky on the Helicarriers at the end of TWS. He's reminding him of their past, he's strategically trying to solve the computer, etc. Now compare those to the cornfield fight or the city fight in MOS. They're just smashing. No story is being progressed, you aren't learning anything about the characters. It's just smashing. It's mindless. That's the difference between what Marvel is doing and what DC is doing. It's not good enough to just set up a fight if you stop thinking about what the fight itself is doing, and that's exactly the same reason why people thought the neck snap ending was sort of random. Because they didn't think about the fight itself. They just thought flying through some building would look cool and came up with an ending that served no other purpose other than they needed an ending. Everything going on in the fight, should also have a purpose. There didnt need to be dialogue in that cornfield fight scene. Superman gets angry because Zod tries to harm his mother. No one is going to be a level headed logical thinker in that state. Its a natural reaction to defend your family from a threat. Now fast forward to the final battle between Zod and Superman and you have fantastic dialogue that is atleast equal to or better than all those MCU examples you gave. To be fair, that dialog happens in breaks in the action. They had to stop the action to talk in every action scene in the movie. Kal fighting Faora in the IHOP she does a move on him, pause, she says something, then they fight again.
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