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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 3, 2018 15:32:02 GMT
In MoS, Martha Kent (a normal human with no superpowers) wasn't afraid to stand up to a super-powered Kryptonian general. Hulk takes a beating from Thanos and suddenly Hulk turns into a 1000-pound coward and is too scared to show up for the rest of the movie. Problem here is you're using a DC character as a good example when DC films are utterly terrible at depicting human beings. dude, considering your obsession with little boys holding their ass-holes straight into the camera your assessment of human character seems quite the compliment.
Let's not forget that with Superman, Nolan-Bat, Watchmen and WW DC had some of the best portrayals of human characters and their development, and created veritable film classic - they got Oscars and such for that too unlike other CBM franchises. Consider yourself debunked.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on May 3, 2018 15:35:26 GMT
Problem here is you're using a DC character as a good example when DC films are utterly terrible at depicting human beings. dude, considering your obsession with little boys holding their ass-holes straight into the camera your assessment of human character seems quite the compliment.
Let's not forget that with Superman, Nolan-Bat, Watchmen and WW DC had some of the best portrayals of human characters and their development, and created veritable film classic - they got Oscars and such for that too unlike other CBM franchises. Consider yourself debunked.
You seem to think CBM franchises have set a high bar for film, that's rather sad. And you have a weird as hell take on a drawing of a kid being caught with spray paint.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 3, 2018 15:56:02 GMT
dude, considering your obsession with little boys holding their ass-holes straight into the camera your assessment of human character seems quite the compliment.
Let's not forget that with Superman, Nolan-Bat, Watchmen and WW DC had some of the best portrayals of human characters and their development, and created veritable film classic - they got Oscars and such for that too unlike other CBM franchises. Consider yourself debunked.
You seem to think CBM franchises have set a high bar for film, that's rather sad. And you have a weird as hell take on a drawing of a kid being caught with spray paint. the fanboy dost protest too much, methinks. Well, my boot into your ass was substantially more warranted that any of your straw man assupmtion now.
Lol, high bar for film? Who said that, you alone. For B-movies maybe, but as I said: However high or low the bar was set, it was set by Superman and Batman in film and music, as well as WW for female characters, as well as Watchmen for R-rated movies. There are others too like Incredibles for animation, Unbreakable for autheur film etc.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on May 3, 2018 16:18:53 GMT
You seem to think CBM franchises have set a high bar for film, that's rather sad. And you have a weird as hell take on a drawing of a kid being caught with spray paint. the fanboy dost protest too much, methinks. Well, my boot into your ass was substantially more warranted that any of your straw man assupmtion now.
Lol, high bar for film? Who said that, you alone. For B-movies maybe, but as I said: However high or low the bar was set, it was set by Superman and Batman in film and music, as well as WW for female characters, as well as Watchmen for R-rated movies. There are others too like Incredibles for animation, Unbreakable for autheur film etc.
What am I protesting against? Does that mean you're protesting too? And yes you use CBMs as some sort of quality measurement for other CBMs, if only you watched actual quality films.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 3, 2018 16:42:15 GMT
Not a bad question actually. He's got the mentality of a 5 year old so that's gotta be a factor.Y'know, actually that's what I think it is. Or at least thats what I think they'll say it is. He got whupped easy and is pouting. Which makes a kind of weird, though lame, kind of sense.
Truth is probably that Hulk as a single special effect costs too much, so they cut him out.
If you look at the trailers you can clearly see that he is in a Wakanda scene running behind Cap, Black Panther and Black Widow. He was intended to be there...
And I could see Thanos beating him overall, but he should have been able to put up more of a fight than that. As a matter of fact I would think that a Hulk/Thanos fight would be a highlight in any movie instead of just a passing scene.
IMO Hulk has been nerfed in the MCU. He has been in a lot cool scenes and used nicely, but when it comes down to it he loses all his big fights. Against Iron Man in AOU, Against Thor in Ragnarok, and against Thanos in IW. Wassup wit dat?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 3, 2018 16:47:16 GMT
Problem here is you're using a DC character as a good example when DC films are utterly terrible at depicting human beings. dude, considering your obsession with little boys holding their ass-holes straight into the camera your assessment of human character seems quite the compliment.
That's your assessment of THIS?!
WOW! I think that says WAY more about YOU than it does about him.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 3, 2018 19:05:22 GMT
Not a bad question actually. He's got the mentality of a 5 year old so that's gotta be a factor.Y'know, actually that's what I think it is. Or at least thats what I think they'll say it is. He got whupped easy and is pouting. Which makes a kind of weird, though lame, kind of sense.
Truth is probably that Hulk as a single special effect costs too much, so they cut him out.
If you look at the trailers you can clearly see that he is in a Wakanda scene running behind Cap, Black Panther and Black Widow. He was intended to be there...
And I could see Thanos beating him overall, but he should have been able to put up more of a fight than that. As a matter of fact I would think that a Hulk/Thanos fight would be a highlight in any movie instead of just a passing scene.
IMO Hulk has been nerfed in the MCU. He has been in a lot cool scenes and used nicely, but when it comes down to it he loses all his big fights. Against Iron Man in AOU, Against Thor in Ragnarok, and against Thanos in IW. Wassup wit dat?
Kein Feige hates Hulk. That's why Hulk hasn't gotten a sequel.
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Post by harpospoke on May 3, 2018 19:55:37 GMT
Not a bad question actually. He's got the mentality of a 5 year old so that's gotta be a factor.Y'know, actually that's what I think it is. Or at least thats what I think they'll say it is. He got whupped easy and is pouting. Which makes a kind of weird, though lame, kind of sense.
Truth is probably that Hulk as a single special effect costs too much, so they cut him out.
If you look at the trailers you can clearly see that he is in a Wakanda scene running behind Cap, Black Panther and Black Widow. He was intended to be there...
And I could see Thanos beating him overall, but he should have been able to put up more of a fight than that. As a matter of fact I would think that a Hulk/Thanos fight would be a highlight in any movie instead of just a passing scene.
IMO Hulk has been nerfed in the MCU. He has been in a lot cool scenes and used nicely, but when it comes down to it he loses all his big fights. Against Iron Man in AOU, Against Thor in Ragnarok, and against Thanos in IW. Wassup wit dat?
I think the trailer thing was Marvel misdirecting again. They love doing that. (I like it too....I can watch the trailer without spoilers) Maybe they are going to have Hulk discover his "the madder I get, the stronger I get" thing? I haven't seen that mentioned yet in the Avengers movies. And I would say that the Hulk beat Thor in Ragnarok. Thor even lied about it later when he was talking with Banner. "Yes...I won...easily".
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Post by sostie on May 4, 2018 9:37:35 GMT
Kein Feige hates Hulk. That's why Hulk hasn't gotten a sequel. I think you'll find the reason is that Universal own the distribution rights to any solo Hulk film
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Post by dazz on May 4, 2018 12:11:07 GMT
Y'know, actually that's what I think it is. Or at least thats what I think they'll say it is. He got whupped easy and is pouting. Which makes a kind of weird, though lame, kind of sense.
Truth is probably that Hulk as a single special effect costs too much, so they cut him out.
If you look at the trailers you can clearly see that he is in a Wakanda scene running behind Cap, Black Panther and Black Widow. He was intended to be there...
And I could see Thanos beating him overall, but he should have been able to put up more of a fight than that. As a matter of fact I would think that a Hulk/Thanos fight would be a highlight in any movie instead of just a passing scene.
IMO Hulk has been nerfed in the MCU. He has been in a lot cool scenes and used nicely, but when it comes down to it he loses all his big fights. Against Iron Man in AOU, Against Thor in Ragnarok, and against Thanos in IW. Wassup wit dat?
Kein Feige hates Hulk. That's why Hulk hasn't gotten a sequel. Even in something as simple as this you show how stupid you are...god that's sad,
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Post by dazz on May 4, 2018 12:23:48 GMT
Not a bad question actually. He's got the mentality of a 5 year old so that's gotta be a factor.Y'know, actually that's what I think it is. Or at least thats what I think they'll say it is. He got whupped easy and is pouting. Which makes a kind of weird, though lame, kind of sense.
Truth is probably that Hulk as a single special effect costs too much, so they cut him out.
If you look at the trailers you can clearly see that he is in a Wakanda scene running behind Cap, Black Panther and Black Widow. He was intended to be there...
And I could see Thanos beating him overall, but he should have been able to put up more of a fight than that. As a matter of fact I would think that a Hulk/Thanos fight would be a highlight in any movie instead of just a passing scene.
IMO Hulk has been nerfed in the MCU. He has been in a lot cool scenes and used nicely, but when it comes down to it he loses all his big fights. Against Iron Man in AOU, Against Thor in Ragnarok, and against Thanos in IW. Wassup wit dat?
Hulk in the trailer is a fake out, it's also not done for cost saving, they used Hulkbuster armour instead of Hulk that's the same cost for CGI, the point imo was more to limit the power Thanos had to face, by keeping Hulk, Thor, Wanda & Vision out of direct conflict with Thanos for the bulk of the movie and keeping what interaction 3 of them had with him so brief and handicapped it allows for proper engagement with him to payed off in Avengers 4.
Hulk gets stronger the harder & longer he fights due to his rage so he could have only been just above his normal state in their intial fight, in Avengers 4 Hulk could go postal and likely kick the shit out of Thanos, similar to how in the fight where Thanos beat Thor the god of thunder was unable to summon his true power due to their confined space and damage it would cause to the ship, when he can utilise his power properly however Thor lands a killing blow on Thanos.
Hulk in the comics has one weakness when facing other top level powerhouses, the likes of Abomination & Red Hulk iirc can 1 KO the big guy with one attack or flurry, which is in essence what Thanos did, he took it to Hulk quickly and violently not allowing for Hulk to respond or get angry from his attacks which is one of Hulk's greatest strengths in a fight, if you don't let him get angry he cant get the upper hand basically.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 4, 2018 15:55:17 GMT
the fanboy dost protest too much, methinks. Well, my boot into your ass was substantially more warranted that any of your straw man assupmtion now.
Lol, high bar for film? Who said that, you alone. For B-movies maybe, but as I said: However high or low the bar was set, it was set by Superman and Batman in film and music, as well as WW for female characters, as well as Watchmen for R-rated movies. There are others too like Incredibles for animation, Unbreakable for autheur film etc.
What am I protesting against? Does that mean you're protesting too? And yes you use CBMs as some sort of quality measurement for other CBMs, if only you watched actual quality films. that does not make any sense, your log fallcy is false dilemma Films even those of a juvenile subgenre can set quality standards such as Superman being the master template for cmbs or the Tdk trilogy being considered something transcending the genre. Those films being higher quality and being the highlights of the genre does not mean that they, even though winning awards such as oscars, are generally of the highest film quality. The latter you totally neglected to define by example or description, so it's futile to discussions anyway.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on May 4, 2018 16:22:50 GMT
What am I protesting against? Does that mean you're protesting too? And yes you use CBMs as some sort of quality measurement for other CBMs, if only you watched actual quality films. that does not make any sense, your log fallcy is false dilemma Films even those of a juvenile subgenre can set quality standards such as Superman being the master template for cmbs or the Tdk trilogy being considered something transcending the genre. Those films being higher quality and being the highlights of the genre does not mean that they, even though winning awards such as oscars, are generally of the highest film quality. The latter you totally neglected to define by example or description, so it's futile to discussions anyway. But if I "define" a quality film you'll just disagree anyway. Obviously it's impossible to define quality, but DC films are so badly put together and written that they clearly can't compete with great action films or blockbusters, films that may or may not have won awards, I have no idea I just recognise the difference between good filmmaking and otherwise.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 4, 2018 17:12:19 GMT
Y'know, actually that's what I think it is. Or at least thats what I think they'll say it is. He got whupped easy and is pouting. Which makes a kind of weird, though lame, kind of sense.
Truth is probably that Hulk as a single special effect costs too much, so they cut him out.
If you look at the trailers you can clearly see that he is in a Wakanda scene running behind Cap, Black Panther and Black Widow. He was intended to be there...
And I could see Thanos beating him overall, but he should have been able to put up more of a fight than that. As a matter of fact I would think that a Hulk/Thanos fight would be a highlight in any movie instead of just a passing scene.
IMO Hulk has been nerfed in the MCU. He has been in a lot cool scenes and used nicely, but when it comes down to it he loses all his big fights. Against Iron Man in AOU, Against Thor in Ragnarok, and against Thanos in IW. Wassup wit dat?
Kein Feige hates Hulk. That's why Hulk hasn't gotten a sequel. That's not accurate. While Marvel Studios retains the rights to the Hulk, somehow Universal holds the rights to distribute movies based on the Hulk. I don't know exactly what deal they entered into to make The Incredible Hulk but that's the reason why Hulk can be IN a movie, but not have a movie of his own.
Still, Marvel Comics treated Fantastic Four very shittily for a long time because they didn't have the movie rights to them, so there is precedent for the powers that be behaving poorly towards a property because they don't own it outright.
At the very least there should have been MORE Hulk in Infinity War.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 4, 2018 17:18:05 GMT
Y'know, actually that's what I think it is. Or at least thats what I think they'll say it is. He got whupped easy and is pouting. Which makes a kind of weird, though lame, kind of sense.
Truth is probably that Hulk as a single special effect costs too much, so they cut him out.
If you look at the trailers you can clearly see that he is in a Wakanda scene running behind Cap, Black Panther and Black Widow. He was intended to be there...
And I could see Thanos beating him overall, but he should have been able to put up more of a fight than that. As a matter of fact I would think that a Hulk/Thanos fight would be a highlight in any movie instead of just a passing scene.
IMO Hulk has been nerfed in the MCU. He has been in a lot cool scenes and used nicely, but when it comes down to it he loses all his big fights. Against Iron Man in AOU, Against Thor in Ragnarok, and against Thanos in IW. Wassup wit dat?
I think the trailer thing was Marvel misdirecting again. They love doing that. (I like it too....I can watch the trailer without spoilers) Maybe they are going to have Hulk discover his "the madder I get, the stronger I get" thing? I haven't seen that mentioned yet in the Avengers movies. And I would say that the Hulk beat Thor in Ragnarok. Thor even lied about it later when he was talking with Banner. "Yes...I won...easily". Well what better a moment to tap into "the madder I get, the stronger I get" than when Thanos was whupping him?
And, no, Thor won that fight, and he did fair and square. The Grandmaster cheated to incapacitate Thor which allowed Hulk to come back and win. Watch the movie again.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 4, 2018 17:21:15 GMT
Y'know, actually that's what I think it is. Or at least thats what I think they'll say it is. He got whupped easy and is pouting. Which makes a kind of weird, though lame, kind of sense.
Truth is probably that Hulk as a single special effect costs too much, so they cut him out.
If you look at the trailers you can clearly see that he is in a Wakanda scene running behind Cap, Black Panther and Black Widow. He was intended to be there...
And I could see Thanos beating him overall, but he should have been able to put up more of a fight than that. As a matter of fact I would think that a Hulk/Thanos fight would be a highlight in any movie instead of just a passing scene.
IMO Hulk has been nerfed in the MCU. He has been in a lot cool scenes and used nicely, but when it comes down to it he loses all his big fights. Against Iron Man in AOU, Against Thor in Ragnarok, and against Thanos in IW. Wassup wit dat?
Hulk in the trailer is a fake out, it's also not done for cost saving, they used Hulkbuster armour instead of Hulk that's the same cost for CGI, the point imo was more to limit the power Thanos had to face, by keeping Hulk, Thor, Wanda & Vision out of direct conflict with Thanos for the bulk of the movie and keeping what interaction 3 of them had with him so brief and handicapped it allows for proper engagement with him to payed off in Avengers 4.
Hulk gets stronger the harder & longer he fights due to his rage so he could have only been just above his normal state in their intial fight, in Avengers 4 Hulk could go postal and likely kick the shit out of Thanos, similar to how in the fight where Thanos beat Thor the god of thunder was unable to summon his true power due to their confined space and damage it would cause to the ship, when he can utilise his power properly however Thor lands a killing blow on Thanos.
Hulk in the comics has one weakness when facing other top level powerhouses, the likes of Abomination & Red Hulk iirc can 1 KO the big guy with one attack or flurry, which is in essence what Thanos did, he took it to Hulk quickly and violently not allowing for Hulk to respond or get angry from his attacks which is one of Hulk's greatest strengths in a fight, if you don't let him get angry he cant get the upper hand basically.
Y'know what? I buy all of that. Good point on the Iron Man armor matching, more or less, what Hulk would've cost in terms of CG. That just makes it more baffling why they didn't give him at least one more scene at the end.
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