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Post by PreachCaleb on May 2, 2018 18:17:43 GMT
Yes, they do. In fact, entire episodes have been sent back to animation studios for revisions.
Yes, they've had those for decades. Video animatics, which won't matter if the finished product is still off.
It all may sound easy, but it's not.
Countless Kung-Fu movies had shown that off for decades before The Matrix ever even showed that type of choreography to American audiences.
Animation can get away with grandeur easier, but that's not the same as choreography. The Last Airbender is a great example. All its fight choreography is based on actual martial arts that are choreographed by real people.
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Post by Skaathar on May 2, 2018 18:37:58 GMT
Yes, they do. In fact, entire episodes have been sent back to animation studios for revisions. Yes, they've had those for decades. Video animatics, which won't matter if the finished product is still off. It all may sound easy, but it's not. Countless Kung-Fu movies had shown that off for decades before The Matrix ever even showed that type of choreography to American audiences. Animation can get away with grandeur easier, but that's not the same as choreography. The Last Airbender is a great example. All its fight choreography is based on actual martial arts that are choreographed by real people. "Revisions" doesn't necessarily mean it's just a single action sequence in the entire episode that needs changing. It may be a whole host of other issues. And yes, an entire episode may get sent back for revisions but that doesn't mean the entire episode itself is remade. They can simply edit the sequence in question. I'm not saying it's easy, but it's at least way easier than having to call back your cast, stunt crew and entire technical team to reshoot shots. Yes, Kung fu movies have been doing it for decades and none of them have been able to accurately display the same fantastical levels of anime shows. This is just plain common sense. It's easier to draw crazier fights than it is to have humans act them. For standard martial art moves, sure it may be easier to just have humans act them but when we get to superpowers, that's a different story. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 2, 2018 18:51:50 GMT
It's not that simple. As I said, the entire sequence has to be sent back to be redone. Heck, even the producers of simple shows like King of the Hill have discussed this problem. There's no coverage to edit.
Both can take months and eat up a big chunk of the budget.
But the fantastical elements is not the same thing as the choreography. You can choreograph a fight scene in an animated movie with nothing fantastical. Pocahontas is an example.
And nowadays, that's even easier for live action. Just slap a mo-cap suit on an actor and capture the information on a computer. That's far easier than storyboarding, pencil tests, video animatics, and then sending it out to Korea for final animation that an animated series does.
The original issue brought up here wasn't whether movies or animation can make crazier fights, but which ones displayed better teamwork. The Avengers did a good job of it. Teen Titans did as well. Whether one is animated or live action doesn't affect how well the teamwork displayed was. After all, even the Justice League animated series ran into the same issue the live action movie did. Their teamwork wasn't as notable as Teen Titans' or The Avengers'.
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Post by Skaathar on May 2, 2018 19:55:36 GMT
It's not that simple. As I said, the entire sequence has to be sent back to be redone. Heck, even the producers of simple shows like King of the Hill have discussed this problem. There's no coverage to edit. Both can take months and eat up a big chunk of the budget. But the fantastical elements is not the same thing as the choreography. You can choreograph a fight scene in an animated movie with nothing fantastical. Pocahontas is an example. And nowadays, that's even easier for live action. Just slap a mo-cap suit on an actor and capture the information on a computer. That's far easier than storyboarding, pencil tests, video animatics, and then sending it out to Korea for final animation that an animated series does. The original issue brought up here wasn't whether movies or animation can make crazier fights, but which ones displayed better teamwork. The Avengers did a good job of it. Teen Titans did as well. Whether one is animated or live action doesn't affect how well the teamwork displayed was. After all, even the Justice League animated series ran into the same issue the live action movie did. Their teamwork wasn't as notable as Teen Titans' or The Avengers'. We're talking about superpowered people using their superpowers in complementary efforts together with their teammates. It is not easy to do that in a live-action movie where your actors can't see these superpowers as they will only be added in later on. Where the director and fight choreographer have to take into account things like lighting, weather, stunt performer skills, actor skills, the limits of the human body, the limits of CGI, the limits of camera angles etc. And somehow you're under the impression that it's easier to choreograph these kinds of scenes in live-action than it is on cartoons. I'm sorry, but we're going to have to disagree on this. I asked you nicely to limit the discussion to live-action movies. I don't know why you're being so dogged about including animated films. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 18, 2018 2:16:47 GMT
Resurrection bump.
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