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Post by Aj_June on May 8, 2018 23:16:15 GMT
No, please don't get me wrong. I am not saying that Sansa is currently not doing things with intent of complete loyalty for the north and for her house. She is being totally loyal to her house. What I am saying is that hers is not the Stark way. Even before tragedy fell on her family there was too much of Tully in both her looks and manners. After that she learned lessons from Queen Cersei and Lord Baelish. At this point of time when you think of Stark you think of Arya or Jon but Sansa seems to be a different kind of thing. While she has become a bit smarter or at least astute she isn't a stark. Not that Stark's are known for astuteness or smartness. Those are more of Lannister and Tyrell traits.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 9, 2018 3:42:37 GMT
You're absolutely right. Sansa lacks the Stark-stupidity gene. And she's a Lannister, remember? |
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Post by Aj_June on May 9, 2018 4:53:37 GMT
I wouldn't say that Sansa is Lannister either though she might possess a few qualities of Lannisters. Tyrion isn't a true Lannister either. He is too kind and more emotional than a Lannister should be.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 9, 2018 6:06:43 GMT
I wouldn't say that Sansa is Lannister either though she might possess a few qualities of Lannisters. Tyrion isn't a true Lannister either. He is too kind and more emotional than a Lannister should be. Sansa's marriage was never officially annulled so she is a Lannister by name in the sight of the Seven. Roose Bolton never cared because he followed the Old Gods, for whom she remains a Bolton widow, of course. Now the Real Gods are coming to see what they can do about it  Poor Sansa… Lannisters are all different anyway, so she can fit in perfectly. She shares their realism as opposed to the idealistic stupidity of the rest of her family, but you're right about Tyrion too. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 9, 2018 10:49:56 GMT
I would have liked Sansa with Jamie better if she would to remain with a Lannister
But I see what you're saying sometimes time we spend with others can influence us and I think Sophie Turner said
That her character the way she dresses and the way she styles her hair is influenced by women she spend time with
Cersei being one of them , or her mother and she definitely looks like a Tully , well if Leo's theory becomes true that
All this ends with the lions ruling and cersei adopting Sansa, final scene would be a blonde Sansa I think cersei would want
Her to look like a Lannister more than a Tully lol
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Post by Aj_June on May 9, 2018 12:05:29 GMT
I would have liked Sansa with Jamie better if she would to remain with a Lannister But I see what you're saying sometimes time we spend with others can influence us and I think Sophie Turner said That her character the way she dresses and the way she styles her hair is influenced by women she spend time with Cersei being one of them , or her mother and she definitely looks like a Tully , well if Leo's theory becomes true that All this ends with the lions ruling and cersei adopting Sansa, final scene would be a blonde Sansa I think cersei would want Her to look like a Lannister more than a Tully lol I don't know what Leo's theory is but I don't think the game will end with any clear winner. I don't think any one side will win. While Sansa has learned a few things from Cersei I do not believe that she sees Cersei with any kind of affection. In my personal opinion Sansa is more like her mother than like anybody else. Not just in terms of her looks but also in creating her own personality. Lady Stark never left her own personality in spite of being married to such a hardcore Stark (and a famous war hero). |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 9, 2018 13:36:14 GMT
I would have liked Sansa with Jamie better if she would to remain with a Lannister Now don't be silly  |
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Post by bluerisk on May 12, 2018 16:34:59 GMT
You're absolutely right. Sansa lacks the Stark-stupidity gene. And she's a Lannister, remember?
The Stark-Tully stupidity gene...and Tyrells smart? More like flipping a coin. It was Mace Tyrell who brought his house to its demise in the first place. Olenna was a Redweyne, and Loras was the bad coin toss. In the book it is all better: more sons, and more so capable sons. |
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Post by bluerisk on May 12, 2018 16:41:57 GMT
I wouldn't say that Sansa is Lannister either though she might possess a few qualities of Lannisters. Tyrion isn't a true Lannister either. He is too kind and more emotional than a Lannister should be. Most of the Lannister are rather kind people. Tywin and Cercei were the only ones who hated Tyrion for instance. Tyrion's father was even a very kind but also very weak man. Tywin was someone special, far beyond the typical Lannister traits. Lanister might often be quite clever, but not in the Tywin league. Sansa could be the key element to overcome the feud between these two great houses and build a foundation between them that could carry all of Westeros in the years to come after the White Walkers have been defeated and Westeros is rising again from the ashes. Imho she will even sit the Iron throne (with a Lannister at her side) but as regent for Jon and Danys child. And she will be one of the greatet rulers Westeros ever had for she went through teh hardest school possible, and learnt from the best, and from the worst. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 12, 2018 16:52:40 GMT
Sansa could be the key element to overcome the feud between these two great houses and build a foundation between them that could carry all of Westeros in the years to come after the White Walkers have been defeated and Westeros is rising again from the ashes. Imho she will even sit the Iron throne (with a Lannister at her side) but as regent for Jon and Danys child. Daenerys is barren and Jon Snow is a wight. Daenerys is probably one too. Nothing will come out of this most stupid union in the history of fantasy. Sansa will be Cersei's adoptive heir and will bear Tyrion's children, whom they will keep in the wine cellar most of the time. |
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Post by bluerisk on May 12, 2018 18:28:35 GMT
Sansa could be the key element to overcome the feud between these two great houses and build a foundation between them that could carry all of Westeros in the years to come after the White Walkers have been defeated and Westeros is rising again from the ashes. Imho she will even sit the Iron throne (with a Lannister at her side) but as regent for Jon and Danys child. Daenerys is barren and Jon Snow is a wight. Daenerys is probably one too. Nothing will come out of this most stupid union in the history of fantasy. Sansa will be Cersei's adoptive heir and will bear Tyrion's children, whom they will keep in the wine cellar most of the time. According to the leaks she has something in her oven...the writers will do whatever they want. But like Jonsa I'm rather opting for a "Vernunftehe" between her and Jaime. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 12, 2018 18:44:08 GMT
Daenerys is barren and Jon Snow is a wight. Daenerys is probably one too. Nothing will come out of this most stupid union in the history of fantasy. Sansa will be Cersei's adoptive heir and will bear Tyrion's children, whom they will keep in the wine cellar most of the time. According to the leaks she has something in her oven...the writers will do whatever they want. But like Jonsa I'm rather opting for a "Vernunftehe" between her and Jaime. I don't believe in leaks. They are just fan fiction disguised as click-bait. Jaime's not marrying anyone else  |
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Post by bluerisk on May 12, 2018 19:34:26 GMT
According to the leaks she has something in her oven...the writers will do whatever they want. But like Jonsa I'm rather opting for a "Vernunftehe" between her and Jaime. I don't believe in leaks. They are just fan fiction disguised as click-bait. Jaime's not marrying anyone else We will see. To my utter disbelief they proved to be true for last the last season (not that they were true, but the rubbish they had come up with)...hence I've read the stuff of one episode only. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 13, 2018 2:19:48 GMT
I don't believe in leaks. They are just fan fiction disguised as click-bait. Jaime's not marrying anyone else We will see. To my utter disbelief they proved to be true for last the last season (not that they were true, but the rubbish they had come up with)...hence I've read the stuff of one episode only. There were real leaks for S7 so people got the idea of making their own for S8 because idiots would believe in them saying "it was true last time". GoT exposes stupidity like nothing else. Some of them will turn out right, of course. If you get enough people to predict how a dice will roll, there will be "winners". |
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Post by Marv on May 18, 2018 19:51:03 GMT
Of course she is. Being a Stark isn’t a state of mind.
Having said that she’s undoubtedly adopted certain traits of her captors over the years.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 18, 2018 20:09:32 GMT
Of course she is. Being a Stark isn’t a state of mind. Having said that she’s undoubtedly adopted certain traits of her captors over the years. I would agree with this ,and has admitted to Jon learning from cersei but I think Sansa is turning everything she learned into good and smart play |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 18, 2018 22:27:33 GMT
Of course she is. Being a Stark isn’t a state of mind. Having said that she’s undoubtedly adopted certain traits of her captors over the years. She had some of them before she even went south. We tend to place far too much importance on "culture" or "influence" when it comes to personality. |
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Post by Marv on May 18, 2018 22:38:09 GMT
Of course she is. Being a Stark isn’t a state of mind. Having said that she’s undoubtedly adopted certain traits of her captors over the years. She had some of them before she even went south. We tend to place far too much importance on "culture" or "influence" when it comes to personality. I kind of disagree. I think culture and influence have a great deal of impact on most people. It’s noticeable in Game of Thrones as much as anywhere. Sansa isn’t a completely different person than when we first saw her but she’s picked up a lot over the years. She’s not nearly as cunning or wise beyond her years at the beginning of the series as she is now. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 18, 2018 22:57:35 GMT
She had some of them before she even went south. We tend to place far too much importance on "culture" or "influence" when it comes to personality. I kind of disagree. I think culture and influence have a great deal of impact on most people. It’s noticeable in Game of Thrones as much as anywhere. Sansa isn’t a completely different person than when we first saw her but she’s picked up a lot over the years. She’s not nearly as cunning or wise beyond her years at the beginning of the series as she is now. GoT is only a statement from its authors, not a real life example. Its wisdom has limits… Sansa is shown to get smarter with age, which is the expected development of anyone except the real Starks, it seems She is also shown to be the outcome of patience and physical beauty, which are both given and not learned traits. The same goes for Arya, by the way, who is very much the opposite in both (she is called "Arya horseface" by some in the books). Sansa's wish to fit in and Arya's strong individualism are direct consequences of these given traits, not of the Stark culture they both share. In this way, the story supports the argument of a strong given part of personalities. It actually makes it a major source of inner conflict. It is not a coincidence if the Lannister children are so different from another, all struggling with the legacy they are supposed to endorse and continue. |
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Post by Aj_June on May 22, 2018 18:12:31 GMT
I don't believe in leaks. They are just fan fiction disguised as click-bait. Jaime's not marrying anyone else We will see. To my utter disbelief they proved to be true for last the last season (not that they were true, but the rubbish they had come up with)...hence I've read the stuff of one episode only. I think true leaks will come even for last season. It's just that I don't believe the present ones doing the rounds are true leaks. |
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