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Post by politicidal on May 10, 2018 1:50:01 GMT
Shortest version: Liked it but didn't love it. Easily a solid 7/10. Spoilers are obviously gonna be below but figure I'd warn whoever hadn't seen it by some weird chance.
PROS:
1) The biggest hurdle it had to jump was making Thanos and the Black Order a credible threat and I have to say, Brolin as Thanos was excellent. Some of the best scenes in the movie involve him just talking to the other characters. The one scene with Gamora in the second act moved me more than the actual ending. In many ways, a more interesting character than some returning protagonists. I'll get to that in a minute. I liked the powers and design of the Black Order even if Carrie Coon didn't get as much dialogue as Proxima Midnight as I hoped. Ebony Maw was probably my favorite thanks to that creepy voice and the cgi on him being very good.
2) When the plot started rolling and the characters became scattered, I enjoyed most of the switch-ups between the heroes. Thor, Groot, and Rocket were my favorite group with Iron Man; Doctor Strange; and Spider-Man coming second. Thor taking the center stage was a stroke of genius since he literally lost everything. I'd expect Vision and Scarlet Witch suddenly paired up being jarring but it made sense for the plot (compared with something else). Out the cast, performance-wise, Gamora was the best. Figures what happens next.
3) Tone-wise, I thought the movie was more consistent than it had reason being. For all my upcoming complaints, I think the Russos have a better grasp on dark material than Joss Whedon might have done. It's fairly grim from the get-go and I appreciated it better than say how Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 did it out of fucking nowhere.
CONS:
1) Star-Lord is a fucking idiot. Just the whole movie and I'm perfectly aware he leans between goofball and doofus a lot, here he's a goddamn imbecile. The one time his character made any sense was the scene where Gamora first told him what to do when facing Thanos and he subsequently fails because he loves her. That made sense. The second time he meets Thanos a nd they almost got the fucking glove off, he has an emotional outburst which is partly Nebula's fault. (Why was she standing around off to the side not helping Iron Man and Spider-Man?). This is the most noticeable example of how a lot of characters seemed off. It seemed forced to give Thanos an edge in scenes like the one I mentioned when it wasn't needed. The death scene with Vision showed he's a competent villain.
2) The ending was not as emotionally effective as I expected. It's still sad seeing everyone die but I know they're returning in some fashion by Part 4 next year. If the Russos wanted me to feel something akin to The Empire Strikes Back or The Dark Knight, it didn't happen. Sorry ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/gf93ycxax/giveup.gif) .
3) While I thought the tone was maintained consistently, the humor was jarring at times. Like that Starbucks plugin and Drax doing dumb stuff.
4) This is a minor complaint but it is something I've always bitched about and the running time didn't really seem warranted. Like the battle scenes could have been trimmed down and some wacky bits that were out of place.
CONCLUSION:
The Russos did a good job adapting Infinity War but it makes me wonder a two part film was actually necessary. There was one scene that would have been a kickass deathscene and an earlier action scene that was a clever villain beatdown.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 1:58:59 GMT
I agree with everything you've said.
It does help to see it a second time. I enjoyed it a lot more the second viewing. But those problems still stand.
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Post by politicidal on May 10, 2018 2:03:50 GMT
I agree with everything you've said. It does help to see it a second time. I enjoyed it a lot more the second viewing. But those problems still stand. That's something else though. Not sure I will. I liked it but there's something off and unpleasant about it that I find unsettling. Not quite the punch I got from goddamn Batman versus Superman but in that vein.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 2:09:46 GMT
I agree with everything you've said. It does help to see it a second time. I enjoyed it a lot more the second viewing. But those problems still stand. That's something else though. Not sure I will. I liked it but there's something off and unpleasant about it that I find unsettling. Not quite the punch I got from goddamn Batman versus Superman but in that vein. Really? Wow. Was it the tone or the characterization or something else?
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Post by politicidal on May 10, 2018 2:13:12 GMT
That's something else though. Not sure I will. I liked it but there's something off and unpleasant about it that I find unsettling. Not quite the punch I got from goddamn Batman versus Superman but in that vein. Really? Wow. Was it the tone or the characterization or something else? It may not be the right word but I think I was just worn out by the overwhelming sense of futility. Which if what I think about Doctor Strange's dialogue near the end is correct (that they must let Thanos win to beat him) then it may be tempered and I'll just get over myself about it.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 2:46:50 GMT
Really? Wow. Was it the tone or the characterization or something else? It may not be the right word but I think I was just worn out by the overwhelming sense of futility. Which if what I think about Doctor Strange's dialogue near the end is correct (that they must let Thanos win to beat him) then it may be tempered and I'll just get over myself about it. I can understand that. I do reccomend another go once it's on DVD though. The gloomy tone isn't so oppressive on a second viewing.
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Post by sdrew13163 on May 10, 2018 4:49:02 GMT
You mentioned that the ending lacked emotional weight, and while I agree to an extent, that didn't bother me at all. What bothered me was that the fight in Wakanda was so generic and numbing until Thor showed up. I mean, imagine the music from the Ride of the Rohirrim scene from Return of the King plays when they all charge the alien dogs instead of the cookie cutter nonsense they put in instead. It would've been so much more affecting. A huge missed opportunity for something cool, dramatic, and honorable. They semi-made up for it with Thor's entrance in Wakanda , but I still wish they did something a little more affecting.
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Post by merh on May 10, 2018 7:06:04 GMT
I agree with everything you've said. It does help to see it a second time. I enjoyed it a lot more the second viewing. But those problems still stand. I scored it an 8. Saw it a 2nd time & upped it to 9. Its maybe 9.5, but to be a 10, it needs rewatchability. Die Hard is a 10 because i can watch that again & again.
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Post by merh on May 10, 2018 7:08:13 GMT
You mentioned that the ending lacked emotional weight, and while I agree to an extent, that didn't bother me at all. What bothered me was that the fight in Wakanda was so generic and numbing until Thor showed up. I mean, imagine the music from the Ride of the Rohirrim scene from Return of the King plays when they all charge the alien dogs instead of the cookie cutter nonsense they put in instead. It would've been so much more affecting. A huge missed opportunity for something cool, dramatic, and honorable. They semi-made up for it with Thor's entrance in Wakanda , but I still wish they did something a little more affecting. They have really upgraded the Thunderer. I love those scenes with the lighning rolling off him as he goes to strike
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Post by charzhino on May 10, 2018 11:38:07 GMT
Good review. The ending seems to have shocked a lot of people in the general public, since they wont have read the comic that it was based om before they saw the film. But for those who have, it isnt a big of a surprise it was meant to be. I kind of expected them to do it since theres a lot of foreshadowing and people clicking their fingers and talking about half of the universes population alot in the first half of the film.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 10, 2018 12:11:31 GMT
Ebony Maw was the wizard under Thanos correct? If so, then he was amazing. The funny thing is that he was one of the best MCU villains to date and Thanos was even better. That was probably what I liked most about the movie. The villains were incredible.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 10, 2018 14:40:00 GMT
Ebony Maw was the wizard under Thanos correct? If so, then he was amazing. The funny thing is that he was one of the best MCU villains to date and Thanos was even better. That was probably what I liked most about the movie. The villains were incredible. Nah, they were totally forgettable and lame outside Thanos.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 17:13:07 GMT
Ebony Maw was the wizard under Thanos correct? If so, then he was amazing. The funny thing is that he was one of the best MCU villains to date and Thanos was even better. That was probably what I liked most about the movie. The villains were incredible. Ebony Maw (the guy that tortured Strange, right?) was fantastic. I liked him a lot more Thanos. Was disappointed he died so early in the film.
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