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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 16:55:40 GMT
Which of these two figureheads was a more moral man?
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Post by captainbryce on May 10, 2018 17:57:15 GMT
To me the answer is kind of obvious, but what do you think?
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Post by Jep Gambardella on May 10, 2018 19:05:48 GMT
Which of these two figureheads was a more moral man? The one who wasn't a warlord.
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Post by gawaher on May 11, 2018 11:58:11 GMT
The 2 answers aren't mutually exclusive.
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Post by Terrapin Station on May 11, 2018 12:07:05 GMT
I went with "I don't know." There's too much about each character that I'm not familiar with. I know I disagree with tons of Old Testament morality. I don't know if I disagree with near as much of Jesus' moral views. Re Islam, I know almost nothing of what Muhammad supposedly said, but I know I disagree with many of the moral views of conservative Muslims.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on May 11, 2018 12:21:18 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 11, 2018 12:23:54 GMT
This would largely depend on the moral standard they adhered to.
Jesus was perfect per God's standards set out in the Bible, so I imagine it's a bit like an apples and oranges scenario.
If an atheist has a moral standard that has no regard for the Bible then I imagine Jesus would be less moral than their standard.
It''s all relative.
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Post by gawaher on May 11, 2018 12:27:16 GMT
I went with "I don't know." There's too much about each character that I'm not familiar with. I know I disagree with tons of Old Testament morality. I don't know if I disagree with near as much of Jesus' moral views. Re Islam, I know almost nothing of what Muhammad supposedly said, but I know I disagree with many of the moral views of conservative Muslims. Regarding Quranic moral code, You can learn about it here: The Glorious Quran's Moral Code
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Post by CrepedCrusader on May 11, 2018 15:53:32 GMT
Based on historical evidence, only one of them existed (i.e. Muhammad), but even then most of the stories about him are probably made up. So it's like asking who lived a more moral life, Clark Kent or John Henry?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 20:17:53 GMT
I dunno. You hear bad things about Muhammad, but I've never cared enough to look into it.
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Post by phludowin on May 11, 2018 20:43:56 GMT
Morals are relative, and they are social constructs.
If we judge them by modern moral standards, which include enlightenment and individualism, then the answer would be "I don't know". If we judge by the standards of the societies they lived in, then Mohammed was probably more in line with his society than the Jesus of the Bible. So it would be "Mohammed". If we judge by pacifism, I guess it would be "Jesus".
So the correct answer is: All of the above.
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 11, 2018 21:08:48 GMT
The one that wasn't a pedophile
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Post by captainbryce on May 12, 2018 20:35:13 GMT
This would largely depend on the moral standard they adhered to. Jesus was perfect per God's standards set out in the Bible, so I imagine it's a bit like an apples and oranges scenario. If an atheist has a moral standard that has no regard for the Bible then I imagine Jesus would be less moral than their standard. It''s all relative. If morality is that objective, then what’s to stop you (or someone else) from claiming that they are a more “moral” person than Jesus?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 20:54:54 GMT
Which of these two figureheads was a more moral man? I think both of them were equally moral, but leave it to certain people to take a good thing and exploit it for their own reasons.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 12, 2018 21:03:26 GMT
This would largely depend on the moral standard they adhered to. Jesus was perfect per God's standards set out in the Bible, so I imagine it's a bit like an apples and oranges scenario. If an atheist has a moral standard that has no regard for the Bible then I imagine Jesus would be less moral than their standard. It''s all relative. If morality is that objective, then what’s to stop you (or someone else) from claiming that they are a more “moral” person than Jesus? Nothing as long as they aren't using the same one Jesus is.
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Post by captainbryce on May 12, 2018 22:52:52 GMT
If morality is that objective, then what’s to stop you (or someone else) from claiming that they are a more “moral” person than Jesus? Nothing as long as they aren't using the same one Jesus is. The same what?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 12, 2018 23:17:44 GMT
Nothing as long as they aren't using the same one Jesus is. The same what? moral standard
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 23:23:01 GMT
To me the answer is kind of obvious, but what do you think? I would say Jesus since he was non-violent.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 23:24:25 GMT
The 2 answers aren't mutually exclusive. So you picked Muhammad?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 23:24:58 GMT
Based on historical evidence, only one of them existed (i.e. Muhammad), but even then most of the stories about him are probably made up. So it's like asking who lived a more moral life, Clark Kent or John Henry? Clark Kent. I think.
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