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Post by merh on May 25, 2018 2:38:43 GMT
merh, you should really learn to focus and avoid uninformed straw man.
There was no indication that Shmi was a virgin (look up what the term means). The story was that Plagueis (and Plapatine) manipulated the Force to create life, and thereby created Anakin without knowing it. It's a very subtle and original father reveal. But it requires cogitive skills and focus to realize.
Nowhere in the OT or the PT was it said that Anakin was a war hero or savior (again look up the meaning of words), he was described - by a notorious liar - as a great warrior and pilot, which he was.
Well if you watched The Clone Wars animated show then it actually shows how much of a hero Anakin was in the clone wars and also made him a lot more likable. That's the problem. The original movies worked. They were excellent feel good popcorn flicks. Heroes. Villains. Redemption. Then Lucas let way too much time pass. It was like he lost his way. In that first movie, when Han left, I was crushed because it felt like he had a good heart. Then he came through, validating that. These films were pulled out of the heart of Saturday Matinees. Errol Flynn Swashbucklers. Stuff to make one cheer. As a fan of the original set, I felt forgotten. Lucas made the original trilogy for the whole family like the old Looney Tunes. Kids laughed, but there was stuff aimed at adults that kids wouldnt get. The prequels felt targeted at 10 yr olds. Why should i have to spend hours watching another source?
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Post by shinnickneth on May 25, 2018 4:22:37 GMT
a fun but unnecessary Star Wars film. Its been that way since 1977. Since 1977? I suppose it depends on what you value. Star Wars has great messages for kids on courage, loyalty, friendship, being in the moment, family, accountability, etc. ...I'm of course talking about Lucas' Star Wars movies. These new movies are largely pessimistic, superficial, and unfocused.
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Post by merh on May 25, 2018 10:11:32 GMT
a fun but unnecessary Star Wars film. Its been that way since 1977. Since 1977? I suppose it depends on what you value. Star Wars has great messages for kids on courage, loyalty, friendship, being in the moment, family, accountability, etc. ...I'm of course talking about Lucas' Star Wars movies. These new movies are largely pessimistic, superficial, and unfocused. The original movie was a popcorn flick. A summer movie. It was meant to be fun.
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Post by merh on May 25, 2018 10:12:00 GMT
TOMATOMETER 70% AUDIENCE SCORE 61% Critic Consensus: A flawed yet fun and fast-paced space adventure, Solo: A Star Wars Story should satisfy newcomers to the saga as well as longtime fans who check their expectations at the theater door.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 25, 2018 12:03:41 GMT
Well if you watched The Clone Wars animated show then it actually shows how much of a hero Anakin was in the clone wars and also made him a lot more likable. As a fan of the original set, I felt forgotten. Lucas made the original trilogy for the whole family like the old Looney Tunes. Kids laughed, but there was stuff aimed at adults that kids wouldnt get. The prequels felt targeted at 10 yr olds.
o my, a trilogy ending in tragedy is meant for 10 year olds - especially when showing the downfall of democracy and - en passant - has it's central protagonist be corruted and murder villages of children and his own allies and kin. Including having him burned alive, losing arms and limbs in fights, or him beheading and maiming defensless combatants...Not to speak of Palpatines political rise, the complexity of which still challenging grown ups to comprehend...for 10 yr olds. Why not.
If so, then who was the OT for, 5 yr olds? And Marvel's raccoon turd-happy MCU? For crybabies, manchildren and the braindead?
...good thing we never had to raise kids together, we would have a lot of differneces there...
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Post by charzhino on May 25, 2018 12:16:33 GMT
Shocked, I would have expected this to be 90%+ from the Disney critic shills that gave TLJ the same insane score.
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Post by merh on May 25, 2018 13:04:08 GMT
As a fan of the original set, I felt forgotten. Lucas made the original trilogy for the whole family like the old Looney Tunes. Kids laughed, but there was stuff aimed at adults that kids wouldnt get. The prequels felt targeted at 10 yr olds.
o my, a trilogy ending in tragedy is meant for 10 year olds - especially when showing the downfall of democracy and - en passant - has it's central protagonist be corruted and murder villages of children and his own allies and kin. Including having him burned alive, losing arms and limbs in fights, or him beheading and maiming defensless combatants...Not to speak of Palpatines political rise, the complexity of which still challenging grown ups to comprehend...for 10 yr olds. Why not.
If so, then who was the OT for, 5 yr olds? And Marvel's raccoon turd-happy MCU? For crybabies, manchildren and the braindead?
...good thing we never had to raise kids together, we would have a lot of differneces there...
No kidding. I took my kid to Halloween H20 2 months before she turned 8 yrs old. We obviously do have differing opinions After all, my earliest childhood memories include sitting in a church where they regularly discussed a man being beaten, tortured & crucified. He showed a friend the holes in his hands from the nails. We tell this story to 3 yr olds, dont we?
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Post by shinnickneth on May 25, 2018 17:27:33 GMT
The original movie was a popcorn flick. A summer movie. It was meant to be fun. Indeed it was and is. There's also many deep messages in Star Wars.
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Post by merh on May 26, 2018 7:36:34 GMT
The original movie was a popcorn flick. A summer movie. It was meant to be fun. Indeed it was and is. There's also many deep messages in Star Wars.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 26, 2018 7:54:41 GMT
Indeed it was and is. There's also many deep messages in Star Wars. Yes, he needed the money from the toys in order to make his Star Wars trilogy. It was always about finishing his vision. Here he is talking about it in 2012: Secondly, the Disney now is very different than the Disney that existed when Walt Disney was alive. Honestly, I don't think Walt Disney would have bought Star Wars if he was heading Disney still. Walt Disney would have taken issue with Leia in the slave bikini and the use of language (like Han's lines, "I'll see you in hell!" from Episode 5 or "Damn fool, I knew you were going to say that!" from episode 4) in the movies. Even now, Disney has side-stepped the whole slave Leia thing from marketing and the official Star Wars website. EDIT: Missed the third part there... That's too bad he didn't see the deep messages in his own movies. That bums me out. He always said he can't enjoy the Star Wars movies the way others do because he was so heavily involved in them. I'm beginning to agree with him.
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Post by merh on May 26, 2018 9:44:20 GMT
Yes, he needed the money from the toys in order to make his Star Wars trilogy. It was always about finishing his vision. Here he is talking about it in 2012: Secondly, the Disney now is very different than the Disney that existed when Walt Disney was alive. Honestly, I don't think Walt Disney would have bought Star Wars if he was heading Disney still. Walt Disney would have taken issue with Leia in the slave bikini and the use of language (like Han's lines, "I'll see you in hell!" from Episode 5 or "Damn fool, I knew you were going to say that!" from episode 4) in the movies. Even now, Disney has side-stepped the whole slave Leia thing from marketing and the official Star Wars website. EDIT: Missed the third part there... That's too bad he didn't see the deep messages in his own movies. That bums me out. He always said he can't enjoy the Star Wars movies the way others do because he was so heavily involved in them. I'm beginning to agree with him. He was making what he was making. Ronnie James Dio said he didnt like to say what his songs were about because he felt they were whatever the listener thought they were about. .latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-flashback-george-lucas-making-star-warsHere is the whole article. Its pretty long .
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 26, 2018 12:50:18 GMT
Yes, he needed the money from the toys in order to make his Star Wars trilogy. It was always about finishing his vision. Here he is talking about it in 2012: Secondly, the Disney now is very different than the Disney that existed when Walt Disney was alive. Honestly, I don't think Walt Disney would have bought Star Wars if he was heading Disney still. Walt Disney would have taken issue with Leia in the slave bikini and the use of language (like Han's lines, "I'll see you in hell!" from Episode 5 or "Damn fool, I knew you were going to say that!" from episode 4) in the movies. Even now, Disney has side-stepped the whole slave Leia thing from marketing and the official Star Wars website. EDIT: Missed the third part there... That's too bad he didn't see the deep messages in his own movies. That bums me out. He always said he can't enjoy the Star Wars movies the way others do because he was so heavily involved in them. I'm beginning to agree with him. merh is a troll and a windbag. So, that's that. Anyway, good points about Lucas. And Disney; it's a very different (and entirely contemptible) company now than it was in the past.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 26, 2018 17:25:24 GMT
He was making what he was making.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 1:43:57 GMT
Shocked, I would have expected this to be 90%+ from the Disney critic shills that gave TLJ the same insane score. It didn't get that high because it wasn't filled to the the brim with SJW propaganda like TLJ and TFA.
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