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Post by Cody™ on May 16, 2018 11:27:24 GMT
Filmfan, believes abortion should be considered justified killing.
Just wondering what the board’s general consensus would be on this issue.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 11:33:09 GMT
Justified, yes. Don't know if I'd call it killing as such, but sure, if you want to.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 16, 2018 11:34:34 GMT
This FilmFan sure has a grasp of things. He probably means justified under the law, especially where the Bible has nothing specific to say on the matter.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 11:37:37 GMT
This FilmFan sure has a grasp of things. He probably means justified under the law. I regard abortion as justified in every way - legally, morally, etc.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 16, 2018 11:43:00 GMT
This FilmFan sure has a grasp of things. He probably means justified under the law. I regard abortion as justified in every way - legally, morally, etc. In contrast oddly enough I have yet to see any thread on this board condemning divorce - something which JC mentions several times, and in very negative terms. That would be a much surer topic for Cody to throw a wobbly about.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 16, 2018 11:47:26 GMT
A person can justify anything.
I'm ok with considering it legal way to kill something most people were too stupid to take precautions for in the heat of the moment.
Yeah that works.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 12:01:02 GMT
I regard abortion as justified in every way - legally, morally, etc. In contrast oddly enough I have yet to see any thread on this board condemning divorce - something which JC mentions several times, and in very negative terms. That would be a much surer topic for Cody to throw a wobbly about. It's an odd one, for sure. They love to tell us that all sins are equal, that you're either perfect or you're not. But no christian ever tries to discriminate against people who get divorced, people who engage in idolatry, people who fail to love their neighbour, people who exhibit drunkenness, engage in orgies, etc, etc. But get an abortion or be gay... it's a whole other story. It's almost as if the religion just serves as an excuse to target people they don't like, isn't it?
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Post by Cody™ on May 16, 2018 12:04:26 GMT
This FilmFan sure has a grasp of things. He probably means justified under the law. I regard abortion as justified in every way - legally, morally, etc. Probably because you’re a deranged individual.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 12:10:15 GMT
I regard abortion as justified in every way - legally, morally, etc. Probably because you’re a deranged individual. Perhaps. And I could equally say that you disagree with me because you are a deranged individual. Or, we could both just say that the other arrives at a different conclusion because we assign different value to different moral principles. But that's not as much fun, of course.
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Post by dividavi on May 16, 2018 12:35:51 GMT
I regard abortion as justified in every way - legally, morally, etc. In contrast oddly enough I have yet to see any thread on this board condemning divorce - something which JC mentions several times, and in very negative terms. That would be a much surer topic for Cody to throw a wobbly about. I don't know about this present board but I mentioned the views of JC concerning divorce many times on the original IMDB board. He was unambiguously against divorce but was totally silent on anything relating to abortion. Shortly before the original board closed somebody wrote in to say that divorce was acceptable if one party (either the man or the woman) had cheated on the other. That is not what Jesus said. He said that if a woman should abandon her husband, then he must take her back but there's no mention of a woman taking back a cheating husband. What's it all mean? It means that Christians selectively choose which scriptures to obey, which scriptural injunctions to invent and which to ignore. The scriptures say nothing about abortion so Christians find obscure passages to "prove" the bible condemns abortion. It's all bullshit and always has been.
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Post by Cody™ on May 16, 2018 12:49:10 GMT
In contrast oddly enough I have yet to see any thread on this board condemning divorce - something which JC mentions several times, and in very negative terms. That would be a much surer topic for Cody to throw a wobbly about. I don't know about this present board but I mentioned the views of JC concerning divorce many times on the original IMDB board. He was unambiguously against divorce but was totally silent on anything relating to abortion. Shortly before the original board closed somebody wrote in to say that divorce was acceptable if one party (either the man or the woman) had cheated on the other. That is not what Jesus said. He said that if a woman should abandon her husband, then he must take her back but there's no mention of a woman taking back a cheating husband. What's it all mean? It means that Christians selectively choose which scriptures to obey, which scriptural injunctions to invent and which to ignore. The scriptures say nothing about abortion so Christians find obscure passages to "prove" the bible condemns abortion. It's all bullshit and always has been. Jesus obeyed the commandments. One of the commandments is you shall not murder. Abortion is murder plain and simple. Christ permitted divorce under certain circumstances.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 16, 2018 13:10:31 GMT
One of the commandments is you shall not murder. Abortion is murder plain and simple. Christ permitted divorce under certain circumstances. Murder is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. As already patiently pointed out to you, in a country when there is legalised abortion, when carried out lawfully, by definition it cannot be murder. (Neither is a recently fertilised egg medically speaking a 'human being' for that matter) I am surprised that you would think there are no exceptions to the 'all killing is murder' idea when Christians of your ilk would characteristically accept justified killing in the case of capital punishment, self-defence - including the entrenched notion of carrying murderous fire power as a right - and in some instances of war. But, whatever.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 16, 2018 13:14:46 GMT
In contrast oddly enough I have yet to see any thread on this board condemning divorce - something which JC mentions several times, and in very negative terms. That would be a much surer topic for Cody to throw a wobbly about. It's an odd one, for sure. They love to tell us that all sins are equal, that you're either perfect or you're not. But no christian ever tries to discriminate against people who get divorced, people who engage in idolatry, people who fail to love their neighbour, people who exhibit drunkenness, engage in orgies, etc, etc. But get an abortion or be gay... it's a whole other story. It's almost as if the religion just serves as an excuse to target people they don't like, isn't it? Make threads about it Most threads are created as a result of current discussions the non-religious find interesting. The gay stuff is a snooze fest and the abortion stuff is pointless since it's a legal issue. Let's have a good old fashion divorce showdown!
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Post by Cody™ on May 16, 2018 13:22:23 GMT
FilmFlaneurThen based on that definition what the nazis did to six million Jews during World War II wasn’t murder neither I guess huh?
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Post by Lugh on May 16, 2018 13:32:50 GMT
depends in the circumstances obviously.
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Post by Cody™ on May 16, 2018 13:38:15 GMT
depends in the circumstances obviously. Okay. So under what circumstances would it not be justified?
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Post by dividavi on May 16, 2018 13:41:09 GMT
I don't know about this present board but I mentioned the views of JC concerning divorce many times on the original IMDB board. He was unambiguously against divorce but was totally silent on anything relating to abortion. Shortly before the original board closed somebody wrote in to say that divorce was acceptable if one party (either the man or the woman) had cheated on the other. That is not what Jesus said. He said that if a woman should abandon her husband, then he must take her back but there's no mention of a woman taking back a cheating husband. What's it all mean? It means that Christians selectively choose which scriptures to obey, which scriptural injunctions to invent and which to ignore. The scriptures say nothing about abortion so Christians find obscure passages to "prove" the bible condemns abortion. It's all bullshit and always has been. Jesus obeyed the commandments. One of the commandments is you shall not murder. Abortion is murder plain and simple. No, it's not murder, plain and simple. Somebody who is brain dead is not alive and can not be murdered. The same applies to human derived entities whose brains are not functioning (AKA fetuses). You can pretend that scripture says otherwise but you're inventing things out of nothing; it's not biblical. Did he really? I say he didn't and you say he did permit divorce under certain circumstances. You're wrong but for the sake of argument I'll pretend you're correct. With that settled, what are the circumstances under which a husband can divorce his wife? According to your interpretation the only way this is permissible is when the wife has already been adulterous. Or rather that's my interpretation, not yours. If you disagree quote some biblical statement from JC that contradicts what I just said. Here's another question: Is it permissible for a man to marry a divorced woman without him committing adultery? The answer from JC is no there isn't. I interpret JC to mean that a woman is a widow, not a divorcee, if her husband divorced her and then died. But as long as her ex is breathing, any man who marries her commits adultery. Is that how your fellow Christians act? I doubt it. Matter of fact, I'm certain that most of your fellow Christians completely ignore JC's instructions. www.westmont.edu/~fisk/Lecture%20Outlines/DivorceAndRemarriageInTheGospels.htm
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 16, 2018 13:41:21 GMT
Yes, kinda like how it's justified to "kill" a weed growing in your backyard.
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Post by captainbryce on May 16, 2018 13:42:16 GMT
I don’t consider termination of a developing embry as a “killing” anymore than I consider taking antibiotics to cure an infection a killing. So for me, it largely has to do with what stage of development the abortion takes place.
If you’re talking about a late term abortion of a developed fetus, then my answer is “it depends”. If it’s done in circumstances where it’s legal (required to save the life of the mother), then it’s justified. It it’s done because the perspectparent was irresponsible, had a change of heart, and then decided to go get rid of their “problem”, then no. I would not consider that justified.
So really it depends on many factors. I didn’t vote because your options were so limited as to not consider those factors (false dichotomy).
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Post by Lugh on May 16, 2018 13:43:28 GMT
depends in the circumstances obviously. Okay. So under what circumstances would it not be justified? If some moron got knocked up and wasnt willing to face the consequences of unsafe sex for example.
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