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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 23, 2018 11:39:41 GMT
A straight yes or no will suffice. Run, Forest, run... 🏃♂️ 🏃♂️ 🏃♂️ 🏃♂️ That wasn't a yes or no, Cody.
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Post by Cody™ on May 23, 2018 11:47:52 GMT
Run, Forest, run... 🏃♂️ 🏃♂️ 🏃♂️ 🏃♂️ That wasn't a yes or no, Cody. ^Coward.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 23, 2018 11:52:17 GMT
That wasn't a yes or no, Cody. ^Coward. I am not the one evading a simple yes or no answer, Cody.
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Post by Cody™ on May 23, 2018 12:02:53 GMT
I am not the one evading a simple yes or no answer, Cody. No, you’re the one who for months has been evading a simple 10 minute video which completely blows your islamophobia bullshit out of the water.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 23, 2018 13:15:11 GMT
I am not the one evading a simple yes or no answer, Cody. No, you’re the one who for months has been evading a simple 10 minute video which completely blows your islamophobia bullshit out of the water. That is still not giving a yes or no to my question, Cody, which did not mention Islamophobia. Do you have a problem with giving a straight answer?
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Post by phludowin on May 23, 2018 22:01:28 GMT
Perhaps you have changed your nature since I last asked Cody, so I will ask again just to clarify matters: do you have any prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims? A straight yes or no will suffice. <Link to biased video from someone who apparently doesn't like Ben Affleck> That video does not answer FilmFlaneur 's question. It doesn't even make a good case against "islamophobia".
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Post by goz on May 23, 2018 22:19:51 GMT
A straight yes or no will suffice. Run, Forest, run... 🏃♂️ 🏃♂️ 🏃♂️ 🏃♂️ Run, Cody, run. Since this is substantially a message board within which communication is substantially of the written variety, perhaps you can answer this question in written form. YouTube and other videos may be illustrative of someone else's opinion, butt necessarily are the opinion of the video maker/s. Please give us your answer so we may all be clear where we stand on your alleged bigotry against the Muslim faith and Muslim people.
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Post by Arlon10 on May 23, 2018 23:37:46 GMT
Where's anybody's authority to do anything? That was my point. No, your point was that "Abuse appears everywhere. Asking if I have "any evidence it appears in religious organizations more than anywhere else?" To which the answer still remains that one might reasonably expect any adherents of a moral religion or philosophy of life to lead by example, rather than being conspicuous by their hypocrisy. I hope that helps. But if you are now really suggesting that the authority of the church is irrelevant, then perhaps I ought to agree with you, since the child abusers within various faiths only seem to pay it lip service in this context. I believe it has escaped your attention that leadership is necessary even when one in ten thousand leaders proves unworthy of the task. This leaves you without a point to make. Or would you like to try to make one now?
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Post by goz on May 24, 2018 3:06:10 GMT
No, your point was that "Abuse appears everywhere. Asking if I have "any evidence it appears in religious organizations more than anywhere else?" To which the answer still remains that one might reasonably expect any adherents of a moral religion or philosophy of life to lead by example, rather than being conspicuous by their hypocrisy. I hope that helps. But if you are now really suggesting that the authority of the church is irrelevant, then perhaps I ought to agree with you, since the child abusers within various faiths only seem to pay it lip service in this context. I believe it has escaped your attention that leadership is necessary even when one in ten thousand leaders proves unworthy of the task. This leaves you without a point to make. Or would you like to try to make one now? What about between one in 10 and one in 15 which is the case for Catholic priest paedophiles?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 24, 2018 9:01:34 GMT
I believe it has escaped your attention that leadership is necessary even when one in ten thousand leaders proves unworthy of the task. It is just a shame that, very often these days, it cannot be found (at least in matters of child protection) from the one place one would most expect it. The point - still - is that one might reasonably expect any adherents of a moral religion or philosophy of life to lead by example, rather than being conspicuous by their hypocrisy, or at least be no better than any one else. I hope that helps.
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Post by Cody™ on May 24, 2018 9:52:59 GMT
Run, Forest, run... 🏃♂️ 🏃♂️ 🏃♂️ 🏃♂️ Run, Cody, run. Since this is substantially a message board within which communication is substantially of the written variety, perhaps you can answer this question in written form. YouTube and other videos may be illustrative of someone else's opinion, butt necessarily are the opinion of the video maker/s. Please give us your answer so we may all be clear where we stand on your alleged bigotry against the Muslim faith and Muslim people. He’s asked me the question before and I’ve already answered it. I dislike Islam, the religious and political ideology. Just as you, Filmfan and Phlu dislike Christianity. If we play by your rules and that makes me an “Islamophobic” bigot, then I guess you three are Christophobic bigots.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 24, 2018 10:04:22 GMT
Run, Cody, run. Since this is substantially a message board within which communication is substantially of the written variety, perhaps you can answer this question in written form. YouTube and other videos may be illustrative of someone else's opinion, butt necessarily are the opinion of the video maker/s. Please give us your answer so we may all be clear where we stand on your alleged bigotry against the Muslim faith and Muslim people. He’s asked me the question before and I’ve already answered it. I dislike Islam, the religious and political ideology. Just as you, Filmfan and Phlu dislike Christianity. If we play by your rules and that makes me an “Islamophobic” bigot, then I guess you three are Christophobic bigots. So do you have fear, hatred, and dread of Islam and Muslims ... or not? 'Dislike' doesn't really cover it. I dislike beetroot and nylon sheets. And hypocritical dissemblers.
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Post by Cody™ on May 24, 2018 10:29:46 GMT
He’s asked me the question before and I’ve already answered it. I dislike Islam, the religious and political ideology. Just as you, Filmfan and Phlu dislike Christianity. If we play by your rules and that makes me an “Islamophobic” bigot, then I guess you three are Christophobic bigots. So do you have fear, hatred, and dread of Islam and Muslims ... or not? 'Dislike' doesn't really cover it. I dislike beetroot and nylon sheets. And hypocritical dissemblers. LOL Aint got time for any more of your nonsense. You’ve reached Cupcakes levels of stupidity and pestilence. You’re on ignore.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 24, 2018 10:31:48 GMT
So do you have fear, hatred, and dread of Islam and Muslims ... or not? 'Dislike' doesn't really cover it. I dislike beetroot and nylon sheets. And hypocritical dissemblers. LOL Aint got time for any more of your nonsense. You’ve reached Cupcakes levels of stupidity and pestilence. You’re on ignore. It's a shame you are still evading the question - and now even the questioner - but to be expected. And now you won't be able to address any of the concerns I will have about you in the future, which will look even worse.
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Post by Arlon10 on May 24, 2018 21:17:51 GMT
I believe it has escaped your attention that leadership is necessary even when one in ten thousand leaders proves unworthy of the task. This leaves you without a point to make. Or would you like to try to make one now? What about between one in 10 and one in 15 which is the case for Catholic priest paedophiles? And some people say I say crazy things.
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Post by gadreel on May 24, 2018 21:32:44 GMT
I believe it has escaped your attention that leadership is necessary even when one in ten thousand leaders proves unworthy of the task. This leaves you without a point to make. Or would you like to try to make one now? What about between one in 10 and one in 15 which is the case for Catholic priest paedophiles? It's more like 0.4%, in actual fact a look around some information on the internet suggests that the rate is no higher than in any other group of people.
Look, it is absolutely fine to be outraged by the hypocrisy, but spreading misinformation does no one any good.
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Post by goz on May 24, 2018 22:24:55 GMT
What about between one in 10 and one in 15 which is the case for Catholic priest paedophiles? It's more like 0.4%, in actual fact a look around some information on the internet suggests that the rate is no higher than in any other group of people.
Look, it is absolutely fine to be outraged by the hypocrisy, but spreading misinformation does no one any good. ...and I can, and have post links that give various estimates from 2% to 15% some of them from the Vatican itself. A reasonable person would acknowledge that the problem has been secret for so many decades if not centuries, that accurate figures would be nigh on impossible. To underestimate IMHO is a worse scenario than to over-estimate, as underestimation has been the 'status quo' for a very long time. I will stick to Australia where we have the most recent results of a Royal Commission. www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-06/royal-commission-into-child-sexual-abuse-begins-in-sydney/8242600So current FACTS. 1880 our of the total number of priests and consecrated life in Australia. There are seven archdioceses and 32 dioceses, with an estimated 3,000 priests and 9,000 men and women in institutes of consecrated life and societies of apostolic life[/quote] You do the maths. Misinformation?
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Post by gadreel on May 24, 2018 22:32:26 GMT
It's more like 0.4%, in actual fact a look around some information on the internet suggests that the rate is no higher than in any other group of people.
Look, it is absolutely fine to be outraged by the hypocrisy, but spreading misinformation does no one any good. ...and I can, and have post links that give various estimates from 2% to 15% some of them from the Vatican itself. A reasonable person would acknowledge that the problem has been secret for so many decades if not centuries, that accurate figures would be nigh on impossible. To underestimate IMHO is a worse scenario than to over-estimate, as underestimation has been the 'status quo' for a very long time. I will stick to Australia where we have the most recent results of a Royal Commission. www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-06/royal-commission-into-child-sexual-abuse-begins-in-sydney/8242600So current FACTS. 1880 our of the total number of priests and consecrated life in Australia. There are seven archdioceses and 32 dioceses, with an estimated 3,000 priests and 9,000 men and women in institutes of consecrated life and societies of apostolic lifeYou do the maths. Misinformation? [/quote][/div]
Big word there, alleged.
sorry, but I accept that there is a good case for pedophiles to be attracted to the priesthood, but a factor of times 2 or even 3 seems reasonable, 40% is 1000 times the rate in standard population, unless this is a cult that has child abuse as part of its culture (which exist, but I do not think are part of the discussion) then that stat is very questionable.
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Post by goz on May 24, 2018 22:43:41 GMT
...and I can, and have post links that give various estimates from 2% to 15% some of them from the Vatican itself. A reasonable person would acknowledge that the problem has been secret for so many decades if not centuries, that accurate figures would be nigh on impossible. To underestimate IMHO is a worse scenario than to over-estimate, as underestimation has been the 'status quo' for a very long time. I will stick to Australia where we have the most recent results of a Royal Commission. www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-06/royal-commission-into-child-sexual-abuse-begins-in-sydney/8242600So current FACTS. 1880 our of the total number of priests and consecrated life in Australia. There are seven archdioceses and 32 dioceses, with an estimated 3,000 priests and 9,000 men and women in institutes of consecrated life and societies of apostolic lifeYou do the maths. Misinformation? [/div]
Big word there, alleged.
sorry, but I accept that there is a good case for pedophiles to be attracted to the priesthood, but a factor of times 2 or even 3 seems reasonable, 40% is 1000 times the rate in standard population, unless this is a cult that has child abuse as part of its culture (which exist, but I do not think are part of the discussion) then that stat is very questionable.
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Post by gadreel on May 24, 2018 22:57:24 GMT
You do the maths. Misinformation? [/div]
Big word there, alleged.
sorry, but I accept that there is a good case for pedophiles to be attracted to the priesthood, but a factor of times 2 or even 3 seems reasonable, 40% is 1000 times the rate in standard population, unless this is a cult that has child abuse as part of its culture (which exist, but I do not think are part of the discussion) then that stat is very questionable.
[/quote] Yes the results are alarming, and yes I 100% agree it's even worse in an institution that claims morality. I think as you say the stats are a bit out of whack though.
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