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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 13:58:26 GMT
The Flash Season 5 Breakdown Reveals Show's Next Villain
![]() screenrant.com/flash-season-5-villain/What are your thoughts on this? I can't say I am that familiar with the character but they sound better than DeVoe. 
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Post by BexxyJ on May 25, 2018 14:16:05 GMT
Of course they sound better than DeVoe.  Anybody sounds better than DeVoe. Chuck Norris on a pair of fucking crutches with a gang of old people from a retirement home would be more entertaining than watching that dweeb. Nobody else can be that bad but it doesn't mean the next villain is going to be good. Just give us more hot actresses like Amy Jackson. At least they succeed with that.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 11:55:57 GMT
Of course they sound better than DeVoe. Anybody sounds better than DeVoe. Chuck Norris on a pair of fucking crutches with a gang of old people from a retirement home would be more entertaining than watching that dweeb. Nobody else can be that bad but it doesn't mean the next villain is going to be good. Just give us more hot actresses like Amy Jackson. At least they succeed with that.  |
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Post by General Kenobi on May 31, 2018 18:11:06 GMT
Oh honey child. If these shows have shown us anything it's that it can always get worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 12:41:56 GMT
Oh honey child. If these shows have shown us anything it's that it can always get worse.  |
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Post by hardball on Jun 6, 2018 11:40:41 GMT
The Flash finale was absolutely disappointing. They kept holding out, refusing to tell us what DeVoe's plan was, and poof, that's it. Our lack of familiarity with the villain can be a good or bad thing. On one hand it does away with any expectations or pre-conceived notions we have about the character and how the story is supposed to go. On the other hand, the writers could go really crazy and do something stupid.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jun 6, 2018 12:58:45 GMT
Unfamiliarity can build suspense. Being in the dark is infuriating. We didn't need to know everything at once but knowing something would have gone a long way in making DeVoe interesting. Instead he was dull and uninteresting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 12:46:12 GMT
The Flash finale was absolutely disappointing. They kept holding out, refusing to tell us what DeVoe's plan was, and poof, that's it. Our lack of familiarity with the villain can be a good or bad thing. On one hand it does away with any expectations or pre-conceived notions we have about the character and how the story is supposed to go. On the other hand, the writers could go really crazy and do something stupid.   It would have been more entertaining than what we got this season and we would have went away at least laughing at how funny the show was. I don't think they knew what DeVoe's plan was when they first brought him in and they made it up as they went or changed it at the end and things like that should be planned in advanced but I wasn't seeing that with DeVoe this season. Season 1 and 2 felt more planned but 4 and even 3 to an extent felt like it was made up as they went. |
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Post by General Kenobi on Jun 13, 2018 13:11:28 GMT
Too little too late for me, I'm afraid. I am out!
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Post by hardball on Jun 16, 2018 4:13:21 GMT
The Flash finale was absolutely disappointing. They kept holding out, refusing to tell us what DeVoe's plan was, and poof, that's it. Our lack of familiarity with the villain can be a good or bad thing. On one hand it does away with any expectations or pre-conceived notions we have about the character and how the story is supposed to go. On the other hand, the writers could go really crazy and do something stupid. That's food for thought Deb. I've always wondered how many of the episodes in the Flash - and the Arrowverse in general - are shot in advance. The showrunners must have had some basic idea of what DeVoe was supposed to do. But if they start the season with only half the episodes shot, I wonder how much of what happens in the season is in response to the audience reaction in relation to their overall plan. |
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Post by hardball on Jun 16, 2018 4:19:12 GMT
Too little too late for me, I'm afraid. I am out! Can't blame you. Flash ended badly and so did LOT. Arrow I thought was all right except the team division was done poorly. Still I'm interested to find out how long Ollie will remain in jail. Hopefully it's longer than the time Felicity spent on a wheelchair. As bad as the ending was for the Flash, I still want to know what Barry's daughter did. And as for LOT, I just want to know how they're gonna write Kid Flash off. And the idea of exploring myths, monsters and magic sounds fun. |
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Post by NewtJorden on Jun 17, 2018 16:05:15 GMT
Hopefully the next villain will be a good one. DeVoe and Savitar the past two seasons were horrible.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jun 19, 2018 13:43:00 GMT
I think we can kiss any chance of a good villain (or anything being good on this show) goodbye.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 11:56:41 GMT
That's food for thought Deb. I've always wondered how many of the episodes in the Flash - and the Arrowverse in general - are shot in advance. The showrunners must have had some basic idea of what DeVoe was supposed to do. But if they start the season with only half the episodes shot, I wonder how much of what happens in the season is in response to the audience reaction in relation to their overall plan.
In the case of 'The Flash' I think they could have rewrote the final few episodes for DeVoe's big plan at the end and may have only added that other flashback episode 'cause people were complaining about him turning into a villain not making sense. 
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Post by General Kenobi on Jun 20, 2018 13:17:40 GMT
They didn't cut enough. They left in all the scenes with Felicity!
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jun 20, 2018 16:04:38 GMT
That's food for thought Deb. I've always wondered how many of the episodes in the Flash - and the Arrowverse in general - are shot in advance. The showrunners must have had some basic idea of what DeVoe was supposed to do. But if they start the season with only half the episodes shot, I wonder how much of what happens in the season is in response to the audience reaction in relation to their overall plan.
In the case of 'The Flash' I think they could have rewrote the final few episodes for DeVoe's big plan at the end and may have only added that other flashback episode 'cause people were complaining about him turning into a villain not making sense.
I want to say I've heard of production schedule lead times as short as 6 weeks, but I don't think most evening dramas shoot more three months in advance; even that might be pushing it.. It may fluctuate over the course of the season, depending on production breaks and other factors. I'm often surprised, to a degree, when someone like Stephen Amell or the lead of another show does an interview and talks about just getting the script for say, the last episode of the season, and that episode will air within a two month time frame. Presumably Supergirl returns in the early/mid fall, but isn't Melissa's Broadway run through some time in August? I always had the impression that production often began to resume on these types of shows sometime during the summer, but I think that might be more the writers beginning to plot out the new season and starting some of scripts, but I think it's uncommon to have many of them ready by the time shooting begins. The one show I have more in-depth knowledge of, because we discuss it at length on another board to bitch about the stupidity of it, is the production schedule and lead time for the American soap opera Days of Our Lives; which has adapted a schedule the last several years whereby they shoot at an accelerated rate in order to bank episodes. This allows them to take extended production breaks and save money not having to pay crew for those weeks off (and those crew members then work on other productions during the break - something like two stretches). The problem is, is that they still shoot more episodes than the time they take off, meaning they keep getting further and further ahead of what's airing. So right now they are literally filming episodes that won't air for at least 6 months. It used to be something like 6 weeks, based on the last writers strike a few years ago, going by when the strike started and when the last pre-strike script aired. Now it's absolutely ridiculous. Casting or writer changes get announced and everyone knows that it'll be the better part of a year before any of that reaches the screen; so any failed storyline that isn't well received by fans continues playing for months. I don't know the likelihood that they would have shot extra footage with Deathstroke, unless someone in the production said anything; because. Y all accounts of how hectic it is to make time in people's schedules for the crossovers, and Stephen talking about his odd times off, I don't think they'd have time to focus on any other epiode than what's immediately the point of focus. Plus it would require scripts to be ready, which would be a feat to have those ready that far ahead in general, but then they often get revised, and there's invariably a process to look at the budget needs for the episode, which needs to be reconciled with what they can actually afford, which can lead to additional rewrites. Just from a cost standpoint, they wouldn't want to shoot too many scenes that may not be in the final draft of the episode. But also, most episodes of these types of shows are done by different directors; so it would seem unlikely they would shoot scenes for another episode that may be directed by someone else who might want it done a different way. That's not to say that method is unprecedented; sometime check out how they did the spin-off series Young Hercules back in either the late 90s or early 2000s, with a young and starting out Ryan Gossling. I do suspect that Diaz wasn't originally planned to be the big bad; and that Slade's son was meant to be the main villain. |
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Post by BexxyJ on Jun 22, 2018 6:28:52 GMT
Of course they sound better than DeVoe. Anybody sounds better than DeVoe. Chuck Norris on a pair of fucking crutches with a gang of old people from a retirement home would be more entertaining than watching that dweeb. Nobody else can be that bad but it doesn't mean the next villain is going to be good. Just give us more hot actresses like Amy Jackson. At least they succeed with that. The only way The Flash can improve is if they get rid of those fucking cheesy costumes. God damn. I can't take Barry seriously when he is wearing that red outfit. He looks like he was late to a costume party.  |
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Post by BexxyJ on Jun 22, 2018 6:30:47 GMT
Unfamiliarity can build suspense. Being in the dark is infuriating. We didn't need to know everything at once but knowing something would have gone a long way in making DeVoe interesting. Instead he was dull and uninteresting. DeVoe summed up for you in one sentence. There I sat broken hearted tried to shit but only farted.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 13:04:47 GMT
Me too. I am still wondering just how many scenes they had to cut from Season 6 of ‘Arrow’ that had Deathstroke in them ‘cause by the way they were talking Deathstroke was going to play a big role in that season and they may have filmed a number of episodes in advance with Slade in them that had to be cut and re-filmed ‘cause Warner Bros blocked them from using the character. I think Slade might have been meant to team with Oliver throughout the season and Oliver teaming with him would have played a part in the team breaking up 'cause you would have had members like Dinah, Renee and Curtis saying Oliver is working with a criminal and trusts somebody who murdered his Mother more than them. I think most episodes are shot in an advance before the show even goes to air or at least half of them 'cause I remember reading when Season 7 of '24' was going to air and they put it on hold 'cause of the Writer's Block they had more than half the episodes filmed and they ended up holding the whole show off until the following year 'cause they rewrote the series to have Tony turn out to be a villain instead of him working undercover for the CIA.
In the case of 'The Flash' I think they could have rewrote the final few episodes for DeVoe's big plan at the end and may have only added that other flashback episode 'cause people were complaining about him turning into a villain not making sense.
I want to say I've heard of production schedule lead times as short as 6 weeks, but I don't think most evening dramas shoot more three months in advance; even that might be pushing it.. It may fluctuate over the course of the season, depending on production breaks and other factors. I'm often surprised, to a degree, when someone like Stephen Amell or the lead of another show does an interview and talks about just getting the script for say, the last episode of the season, and that episode will air within a two month time frame. Presumably Supergirl returns in the early/mid fall, but isn't Melissa's Broadway run through some time in August? I always had the impression that production often began to resume on these types of shows sometime during the summer, but I think that might be more the writers beginning to plot out the new season and starting some of scripts, but I think it's uncommon to have many of them ready by the time shooting begins. The one show I have more in-depth knowledge of, because we discuss it at length on another board to bitch about the stupidity of it, is the production schedule and lead time for the American soap opera Days of Our Lives; which has adapted a schedule the last several years whereby they shoot at an accelerated rate in order to bank episodes. This allows them to take extended production breaks and save money not having to pay crew for those weeks off (and those crew members then work on other productions during the break - something like two stretches). The problem is, is that they still shoot more episodes than the time they take off, meaning they keep getting further and further ahead of what's airing. So right now they are literally filming episodes that won't air for at least 6 months. It used to be something like 6 weeks, based on the last writers strike a few years ago, going by when the strike started and when the last pre-strike script aired. Now it's absolutely ridiculous. Casting or writer changes get announced and everyone knows that it'll be the better part of a year before any of that reaches the screen; so any failed storyline that isn't well received by fans continues playing for months. I don't know the likelihood that they would have shot extra footage with Deathstroke, unless someone in the production said anything; because. Y all accounts of how hectic it is to make time in people's schedules for the crossovers, and Stephen talking about his odd times off, I don't think they'd have time to focus on any other epiode than what's immediately the point of focus. Plus it would require scripts to be ready, which would be a feat to have those ready that far ahead in general, but then they often get revised, and there's invariably a process to look at the budget needs for the episode, which needs to be reconciled with what they can actually afford, which can lead to additional rewrites. Just from a cost standpoint, they wouldn't want to shoot too many scenes that may not be in the final draft of the episode. But also, most episodes of these types of shows are done by different directors; so it would seem unlikely they would shoot scenes for another episode that may be directed by someone else who might want it done a different way. That's not to say that method is unprecedented; sometime check out how they did the spin-off series Young Hercules back in either the late 90s or early 2000s, with a young and starting out Ryan Gossling. I do suspect that Diaz wasn't originally planned to be the big bad; and that Slade's son was meant to be the main villain.  |
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jun 29, 2018 16:06:43 GMT
I think they might just be screwed if they had to drop someone over a serious scandal. I don't think the remaining soaps have that kind of filming schedule. I can't say absolute for sure, but I want to say it's unique to Days; and I think a significant part of it is because Days is the only soap, if I'm not mistaken, that isn't owned by the network that airs it. So NBC has little stake in the existence of the series, as it pays a licensing fee to air it - which covers production costs - and the only revenue it gets out of it are the commercials it airs during the show. They get nothing for any syndication deals, which would mainly be the foreign markets. But like the defunct Soap Network used to air reruns - either same day or one day delay, I don't remember - but NBC wouldn't have gotten anything from that. I don't think they get anything from product placements in the show either. I don't know what other revenue streams there might be, but NBC does have any of that, the way other networks do with their soaps; so while they're not exactly stingy, there have been a lot of deep cuts in recent years. Like to the bone. Actors have said they don't really get much in the way of rehearsal anymore, and generally don't get second takes. And most fans that I've discussed the show with online agree that it's affected the quality of the show for the worse. Then add questionable writing on top of it; which I don't understand, because like you said, these shows air five hour long episodes a week. Even with a modest budget, there's a lot you can do in that time that other shows don't have the luxury of doing. As a would be writer I would love to play in a sandbox as expansive as that. They've got cops and doctors and international monsters and spies, and they piss it all away focusing all of the time on their current romantic dilemmas.
So there haven't been any bombshell scandals with any of the actors, at least to my knowledge in recent history. It does get frustrating when you hear someone's leaving and then have to sit through months of their remaining story that you know won't be important, because they're leaving eventually.
There was one time, before they got so far ahead, that they had to recast a part and the recast was fired and the role recast again before the other girl's content aired; and when it did air it was clear why she was fired, because she was awful. But it was still like two or three weeks before the re-recast came on. Thank God they weren't 6 months ahead then...
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Anybody sounds better than DeVoe. Chuck Norris on a pair of fucking crutches with a gang of old people from a retirement home would be more entertaining than watching that dweeb. Nobody else can be that bad but it doesn't mean the next villain is going to be good. 
