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Post by politicidal on May 26, 2018 15:28:54 GMT
LOL mcu fans dont get it. if fox goes to comcast, fox will still stay fox and nothing will change. That's their concern. They get it. Look, Fox did better with the XMEN back in the day than some MCU zealots will admit. But times are a-changing. Whether holdouts like it or not.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 26, 2018 15:29:32 GMT
If Fox was doing good then they wouldn't be selling off the entertainment side of the company. They would be thriving. Somewhere somebody can't handle something and is giving up.
But those characters belong to Marvel. You aren't saying that DC should give up half of their characters. If Fox had all of Marvel's characters and was making the MCU with all the movies connected and it was as good, I'd be all for it. You see I'm not hating on the studio making the movies. It's the people directly making the movies I have a problem with. Deadpool 2 is good, but Apocalypse wasn't. I'm on the fence with New Mutants because of the heavy reshooting they are doing, but I'm hoping that it will be good. I have no faith in Dark Phoenix because of who is making it. Was not a fan of Kinberg because of X3. None of the subsequent movies have helped. Again, if Fox got better people making the movies (that also includes getting rid of Avi Arad), then the X-men movies would be better.
The genre is better than ever. Everyone is going to see CBMs. It's not niche anymore. It use to be that people only go see the most popular characters like Spider-man, Batman and Superman. Now other characters are overshadowing them. That means the genre is doing something right. You know why people are crying superhero movie fatigue? Because it is doing well at the moment. And people fear that what they like is going to go away.
Tell me something: If you win the lottery, would you rather get $2 million dollars now or $1 million now plus $2,000 a month for life?
Um, fox is not selling due to bankruptcy they are selling because the owner wants to move on. it has nothing to do with lack of money. another lie.
mcu connected movies = death of free thinking and real film making.
Please watch this video to see how a sensible person explains why mcu ooc connected nonsense sucks. its not even a big comic thing as many comic stories were stand alones
the genre is better than ever. LOL.
if mcu movies are making the genre better than ever, than you should be satisfied with that and should not care less what DC does or who wants to buy fox.
we need more logans and tdk. the genre is better today for that. that is fact.
IW war comes out and we are told how harmful the movie is to cinema. is that what you call better? not in the real world.
Comcast should out bid Disney. if mcu is so good. you will not be upset about that. fact.
If Fox owner didn't wanted to move on, he'd just step down most of his responsibilities. He wouldn't sell off the biggest chunk of his company. And if it didn't have anything to do with lack of money, 60 billion over 52 billion +stocks wouldn't matter, right?
You do know that movies consisted of serials correct? Movies being connected is not a new thing. And do you know why people love the MCU over the other movies? Because they are connected. Also, how many directors really want to make lower tier characters into movies? Do you think we would get a Guardians of the Galaxy movie if it wasn't a part of a bigger story? Studios would go for the most popular comic series and work their way down. And even then they would stick in that family of characters (Catwoman).
No comic is ever stand alone. Not a one. They all have subplots that lead into other comics. Someone shows up as a cameo from another comic series.
The genre is better today than it was back in the 90s and early 2000s.
The MCU can always get better. The X-men movies can always be better. DC movies need someone to make them at least good. I'm a comic book fan. I want them all to be good. I don't want sections of CBMs to be better than others. Once you realize that the less hate you will have.
Infinity War is harmful to cinema because it is so good.
The MCU is a Marvel Universe. It should have all it's components the same as DC.
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Post by summers8 on May 26, 2018 15:36:46 GMT
Um, fox is not selling due to bankruptcy they are selling because the owner wants to move on. it has nothing to do with lack of money. another lie.
mcu connected movies = death of free thinking and real film making.
Please watch this video to see how a sensible person explains why mcu ooc connected nonsense sucks. its not even a big comic thing as many comic stories were stand alones
the genre is better than ever. LOL.
if mcu movies are making the genre better than ever, than you should be satisfied with that and should not care less what DC does or who wants to buy fox.
we need more logans and tdk. the genre is better today for that. that is fact.
IW war comes out and we are told how harmful the movie is to cinema. is that what you call better? not in the real world.
Comcast should out bid Disney. if mcu is so good. you will not be upset about that. fact.
If Fox owner didn't wanted to move on, he'd just step down most of his responsibilities. He wouldn't sell off the biggest chunk of his company. And if it didn't have anything to do with lack of money, 60 billion over 52 billion +stocks wouldn't matter, right?
You do know that movies consisted of serials correct? Movies being connected is not a new thing. And do you know why people love the MCU over the other movies? Because they are connected. Also, how many directors really want to make lower tier characters into movies? Do you think we would get a Guardians of the Galaxy movie if it wasn't a part of a bigger story? Studios would go for the most popular comic series and work their way down. And even then they would stick in that family of characters (Catwoman).
No comic is ever stand alone. Not a one. They all have subplots that lead into other comics. Someone shows up as a cameo from another comic series.
The genre is better today than it was back in the 90s and early 2000s.
The MCU can always get better. The X-men movies can always be better. DC movies need someone to make them at least good. I'm a comic book fan. I want them all to be good. I don't want sections of CBMs to be better than others. Once you realize that the less hate you will have.
Infinity War is harmful to cinema because it is so good.
The MCU is a Marvel Universe. It should have all it's components the same as DC.
Yawn.
if MCU gets better then why cant they top a decent movie like TWS?
Keep convincing yourself the genre is better today.
IW is harmful to cinema because its good. LMAO. No plot.
James Cameron was right. please watch more videos of people that made cinema good. I think you will learn a lot.
what matters to me now is Comcast outbidding Disney and winning. keep living in your fantasy.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 26, 2018 15:43:52 GMT
summers8The X-Men films are trying to emulate the MCU formula and the film makers even admitted so.
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Post by charzhino on May 26, 2018 15:53:16 GMT
Disney will dumb down the Xmen universe and it would be worse off because of it Its as simple as that.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 26, 2018 16:18:16 GMT
He was the main writer. And the direction was not the main problem of X3. Yeah, they rushed it to spite Singer for making Superman Returns, but the story itself was terrible. I mean look at his writing credits... Not one of his movies can be said to be good. Main writer? I’m pretty sure that was Zak Penn who was also main writer on X2. Not one? Sherlock Holmes, Days of Future Past, Star Wars Rebels, and a lot of people digged Mr. & Mrs. Smith. And you should know why the story was terrible: Tom Rothman. He’s the reason it was another Magneto focused film. Kinberg is the constant.
Sherlock Holmes and Mr. & Mrs. Smith are all because of others making what he did better. Sherlock was all Guy Ritchie and RDJ. Mr. & Mrs. Smith was all Jolie and Pitt chemistry. DoFP was Matthew Vaughn. You see what happened when Singer and Vaughn were alone on Apocalypse.
But Tom Rothman is not there anymore. What's the excuse now?
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Post by summers8 on May 26, 2018 16:29:02 GMT
summers8 The X-Men films are trying to emulate the MCU formula and the film makers even admitted so.
Its not opposite day.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 26, 2018 16:36:22 GMT
LOL mcu fans dont get it. if fox goes to comcast, fox will still stay fox and nothing will change. That's their concern. They get it. Look, Fox did better with the XMEN back in the day than some MCU zealots will admit. But times are a-changing. Whether holdouts like it or not. Actually, it didn't do better back in the day. X-men, at the time, was one of the most popular comics and animated series, it should have been the top CBM series. X-men didn't have the competition to show how bad they were doing. It had 2 superhero movie series surrounding it that did better critically and financially. I think X-men seemed like they were doing good was because it's the X-men. There were plenty of complaints about even the 1st 2 movies back then.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 26, 2018 16:43:34 GMT
Disney will dumb down the Xmen universe and it would be worse off because of it Its as simple as that. Will it? The MCU has shown more nuance and has done social and political commentary better than the X-men. What you guys focus on is the humor because you don't want movies to be seen as better than the X-men.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 26, 2018 16:47:54 GMT
Main writer? I’m pretty sure that was Zak Penn who was also main writer on X2. Not one? Sherlock Holmes, Days of Future Past, Star Wars Rebels, and a lot of people digged Mr. & Mrs. Smith. And you should know why the story was terrible: Tom Rothman. He’s the reason it was another Magneto focused film. Kinberg is the constant.
Sherlock Holmes and Mr. & Mrs. Smith are all because of others making what he did better. Sherlock was all Guy Ritchie and RDJ. Mr. & Mrs. Smith was all Jolie and Pitt chemistry. DoFP was Matthew Vaughn. You see what happened when Singer and Vaughn were alone on Apocalypse.
But Tom Rothman is not there anymore. What's the excuse now? Vaughn worked on the story of DOFP, while Kinberg worked on the screenplay. And no, Singer and Kinberg were not alone on Apocalypse. The two writers from X2 worked on the story of that movie, while Kingberg again just did the screenplay. Most people’s problem with Apocalypse was mainly in the second half of the film for obvious reasons with the disjointed Weapon X sequence and poorly directed third act. The former is writer fault and the latter is a directing fault. In addition they chose to be too subtle about a couple of important plot points. Apparently, Wolverine was suppose to help the X-Men in the battle with Apocalypse but was replaced with Mystique. Which smells like a studio idea. The movie also tried its damnest to look like the Hunger Games with those flight suits. The third act’s problems are definitely Singer’s fault as he was apparently absent from set for most of it. A similar problem happened on the set of Superman Returns. Not being more explicit with its audiences could be either Singer or Kinberg’s fault.
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Post by summers8 on May 26, 2018 16:48:33 GMT
That's their concern. They get it. Look, Fox did better with the XMEN back in the day than some MCU zealots will admit. But times are a-changing. Whether holdouts like it or not. Actually, it didn't do better back in the day. X-men, at the time, was one of the most popular comics and animated series, it should have been the top CBM series. X-men didn't have the competition to show how bad they were doing. It had 2 superhero movie series surrounding it that did better critically and financially. I think X-men seemed like they were doing good was because it's the X-men. There were plenty of complaints about even the 1st 2 movies back then.
LOL. You forgot xmen do better artistically and critically and make money without any disney childish garbage. everyone wants to make an xmen movie or has been inspired by xmen movies. some get it right like nolan. other like black panther fail. MCU is sadly the least unpopular today. their popularity is not like xmen or batman, that have had longevity they are seen more as transformers in popularity or twilight.. MCU are so unpopular that everyone now feels they have to make anti mcu movie to have good comic film.
look back at 2008, there was complaint with mcu irom man's cartoonish cgi especially at a time when dark knight came out the same year.
10 years. MCU has gotten worse. so worse that their movie have no story. IW is worse than avengers 1. a movie whedon kind off disowned. xmen got better, Logan is factual proof. 10 years after IW is factually proof MCU is worse.
Look at yourslef mcu is so horrible that you cant just let xmen be, far away from disney. that is how bad mcu is. sometimes you dont need film makers. mcu fans tell us how bad mcu is.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 26, 2018 16:53:13 GMT
That's their concern. They get it. Look, Fox did better with the XMEN back in the day than some MCU zealots will admit. But times are a-changing. Whether holdouts like it or not. Actually, it didn't do better back in the day. X-men, at the time, was one of the most popular comics and animated series, it should have been the top CBM series. X-men didn't have the competition to show how bad they were doing. It had 2 superhero movie series surrounding it that did better critically and financially. I think X-men seemed like they were doing good was because it's the X-men. There were plenty of complaints about even the 1st 2 movies back then. X2 and X3 sold around as much tickets as Spider-Man: Homecoming and Thor 3. It didn’t make 800 million back then because of the lack of 3D, IMAX, feign market power, inflation of ticket prices.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 26, 2018 16:54:54 GMT
If Fox owner didn't wanted to move on, he'd just step down most of his responsibilities. He wouldn't sell off the biggest chunk of his company. And if it didn't have anything to do with lack of money, 60 billion over 52 billion +stocks wouldn't matter, right?
You do know that movies consisted of serials correct? Movies being connected is not a new thing. And do you know why people love the MCU over the other movies? Because they are connected. Also, how many directors really want to make lower tier characters into movies? Do you think we would get a Guardians of the Galaxy movie if it wasn't a part of a bigger story? Studios would go for the most popular comic series and work their way down. And even then they would stick in that family of characters (Catwoman).
No comic is ever stand alone. Not a one. They all have subplots that lead into other comics. Someone shows up as a cameo from another comic series.
The genre is better today than it was back in the 90s and early 2000s.
The MCU can always get better. The X-men movies can always be better. DC movies need someone to make them at least good. I'm a comic book fan. I want them all to be good. I don't want sections of CBMs to be better than others. Once you realize that the less hate you will have.
Infinity War is harmful to cinema because it is so good.
The MCU is a Marvel Universe. It should have all it's components the same as DC.
Yawn.
if MCU gets better then why cant they top a decent movie like TWS?
Keep convincing yourself the genre is better today.
IW is harmful to cinema because its good. LMAO. No plot.
James Cameron was right. please watch more videos of people that made cinema good. I think you will learn a lot.
what matters to me now is Comcast outbidding Disney and winning. keep living in your fantasy.
Made cinema good? Cameron made remakes and sequels of other people's movies. Are any of his movies truly original? Maybe The Abyss.
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Post by summers8 on May 26, 2018 16:55:21 GMT
Disney will dumb down the Xmen universe and it would be worse off because of it Its as simple as that. Will it? The MCU has shown more nuance and has done social and political commentary better than the X-men. What you guys focus on is the humor because you don't want movies to be seen as better than the X-men.
LOL......Lets look at facts
more social commentary huh. Ed will not have left. can you imagine Ed in thor jokenork?
if this was true. Winter solider would not have been forgotten so quickly after DOFP came out in a month. And that is factually their most social commented film.
WOW..THE LIES. When we have factual evidence confirming disney banned social momentary in the mcu movies to lighten things up for kids. mcu fanatic ssay their movies have serious social commentary. LOL.
if that was true? why was black panther trying to be like xmen but ended up like Thor 1. a low tier mcu movie though the best thor movie. LOL.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 26, 2018 16:57:48 GMT
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Post by summers8 on May 26, 2018 16:58:48 GMT
IF MCU has good social commentary , serious comic fans and film makers will see it.
heck even critics tell uS to leave our brains at the door and have fun with mcu moviess dumbness.
CRITICS did not tell us this during the days of X2 and TDK.
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Post by summers8 on May 26, 2018 17:01:07 GMT
And that is why Apocplaye failed.
thank god fox admitted it was wrong and gave us Logan in 2017 that disgraced all the MCU movies, worse than DOFP disgraced all the mcu movies in 2016.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 26, 2018 17:01:17 GMT
Kinberg is the constant.
Sherlock Holmes and Mr. & Mrs. Smith are all because of others making what he did better. Sherlock was all Guy Ritchie and RDJ. Mr. & Mrs. Smith was all Jolie and Pitt chemistry. DoFP was Matthew Vaughn. You see what happened when Singer and Vaughn were alone on Apocalypse.
But Tom Rothman is not there anymore. What's the excuse now? Vaughn worked on the story of DOFP, while Kinberg worked on the screenplay. And no, Singer and Kinberg were not alone on Apocalypse. The two writers from X2 worked on the story of that movie, while Kingberg again just did the screenplay. Most people’s problem with Apocalypse was mainly in the second half of the film for obvious reasons with the disjointed Weapon X sequence and poorly directed third act. The former is writer fault and the latter is a directing fault. In addition they chose to be too subtle about a couple of important plot points. Apparently, Wolverine was suppose to help the X-Men in the battle with Apocalypse but was replaced with Mystique. Which smells like a studio idea. The movie also tried its damnest to look like the Hunger Games with those flight suits. The third act’s problems are definitely Singer’s fault as he was apparently absent from set for most of it. A similar problem happened on the set of Superman Returns. Not being more explicit with its audiences could be either Singer or Kinberg’s fault. Again a constant.
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Post by summers8 on May 26, 2018 17:02:44 GMT
MCU is good on social commentary.
LOL. Jokes and cgi are not social commentary.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 26, 2018 17:07:32 GMT
And that is why Apocplaye failed.
thank god fox admitted it was wrong and gave us Logan in 2017 that disgraced all the MCU movies, worse than DOFP disgraced all the mcu movies in 2016.
So Logan and Deadpool 2 are failures as well?
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