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Post by summers8 on Jun 3, 2018 16:47:24 GMT
We get it!! You hate marvel. Just shut the fuck up already dude. Go get laid,go get a life,go jerk off to Bryan Singer’s X-men movies if you like them so much just get off the marvel board. Since our Fox-Men smitten friend likes facts, here's another one. The Fox X-Men movies literally get nothing right about any of the characters when compared to the source material. We've seen decades of go-nowhere easter eggs, underdeveloped plot lines and banal melodrama. Fox has given us Les Misérables with mutants.
mcu fans know nothing of the source material of xmen. watch dofp , civil war or thor jokenork, age of loltron read their comics and see which was less than the source material the most. and you know what makes mcu worse? mcu makes it silly comedy to dumb it down.
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Post by summers8 on Jun 3, 2018 16:48:59 GMT
because disney gave you the best spiderman movie?
because disney gave you the best star wars movie?
because disney gave you the best marvel cartoons?
facts are facts.
We get it!! You hate marvel. Just shut the fuck up already dude. Go get laid,go get a life,go jerk off to Bryan Singer’s X-men movies if you like them so much just get off the marvel board. Why is it called hate when we just say things as they are.
if i hate marvel/disney, how do you think star wars fans feel right now? or Ragnarök fans. LMAO
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 3, 2018 16:58:38 GMT
Since our Fox-Men smitten friend likes facts, here's another one. The Fox X-Men movies literally get nothing right about any of the characters when compared to the source material. We've seen decades of go-nowhere easter eggs, underdeveloped plot lines and banal melodrama. Fox has given us Les Misérables with mutants. EXACTLY!!! If he has to tell us to watch the cartoons because the cartoons got it right then he has no fucking clue. The movies are supposed to be getting it right too not the other way around Summers8. Read this bullshit pack of lies if you want to laugh until you've soiled your pants. Scott is not just "a leader." He is THEE FIELD LEADER of the X-Men. He ---and no other --- was hand picked by Xavier to personally execute his vision of peace and harmony between mutants and humankind. Xavier is the supreme leader and moral center of the group while Scott is the tactical commander of the battle group. The relationship between the two is akin to father and son. Scott trains the X-Men in team-based combat techniques that he invented. The witless shadow that is his counterpart in the movies is the third wheel in a dull and clichéd love triangle. He is the X in a sexless equation. He has no credible chemistry with Jean Grey whatsoever. The Movies, Cartoons and whatever other adaptations you may worship are all beholden to the source material. If you've never read the source material - you don't know what you're talking about and you should choose silence as your primary means of self-expression.
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Post by spooner5020 on Jun 3, 2018 16:59:08 GMT
We get it!! You hate marvel. Just shut the fuck up already dude. Go get laid,go get a life,go jerk off to Bryan Singer’s X-men movies if you like them so much just get off the marvel board. Why is it called hate when we just say things as they are.
if i hate marvel/disney, how do you think star wars fans feel right now? or Ragnarök fans. LMAO
Because your points make no sense. Again everyone agrees that the X-men movies do not follow the comics. Also the MCU are not comedic. They are FUN!! They got the tone right for every movie except for Ultron right. The previews showed us a dark movie and the movie gave us something different. Infinity war was dark as hell and is one of the best MCU movies in my opinion. I tried watching the X-men movies and the only ones I liked were first class because Matthew Vaugh directed it and DOFP because of the story. All the other ones sucked. Again you just hate that Marvel is actually getting the characters right and you just don’t want the Fox verse to go away. The Fox movies are still gonna be there it’s not like Disney is gonna confiscate your dvd’s. Disney is gonna get the characters right this time and that’s what real fans want.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 3, 2018 17:34:15 GMT
Why is it called hate when we just say things as they are.
if i hate marvel/disney, how do you think star wars fans feel right now? or Ragnarök fans. LMAO
Because your points make no sense. Again everyone agrees that the X-men movies do not follow the comics. Also the MCU are not comedic. They are FUN!! They got the tone right for every movie except for Ultron right. The previews showed us a dark movie and the movie gave us something different. Infinity war was dark as hell and is one of the best MCU movies in my opinion. I tried watching the X-men movies and the only ones I liked were first class because Matthew Vaugh directed it and DOFP because of the story. All the other ones sucked. Again you just hate that Marvel is actually getting the characters right and you just don’t want the Fox verse to go away. The Fox movies are still gonna be there it’s not like Disney is gonna confiscate your dvd’s. Disney is gonna get the characters right this time and that’s what real fans want. But that's not what FoX-men fans want. They'd rather the movies stay the same than get egg on their face for saying that you can't do the X-men like the comics for years. They keep bringing up comic panels of something they took from the comics, but still not seeing that the movie makers took the fantasy out of it. "More grounded!" People really don't want the X-men in the "real world."
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Post by spooner5020 on Jun 3, 2018 17:58:13 GMT
Because your points make no sense. Again everyone agrees that the X-men movies do not follow the comics. Also the MCU are not comedic. They are FUN!! They got the tone right for every movie except for Ultron right. The previews showed us a dark movie and the movie gave us something different. Infinity war was dark as hell and is one of the best MCU movies in my opinion. I tried watching the X-men movies and the only ones I liked were first class because Matthew Vaugh directed it and DOFP because of the story. All the other ones sucked. Again you just hate that Marvel is actually getting the characters right and you just don’t want the Fox verse to go away. The Fox movies are still gonna be there it’s not like Disney is gonna confiscate your dvd’s. Disney is gonna get the characters right this time and that’s what real fans want. But that's not what FoX-men fans want. They'd rather the movies stay the same than get egg on their face for saying that you can't do the X-men like the comics for years. They keep bringing up comic panels of something they took from the comics, but still not seeing that the movie makers took the fantasy out of it. "More grounded!" People really don't want the X-men in the "real world." Isn’t that why the DC movies suck? Because they are grounded?
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 3, 2018 18:01:01 GMT
But that's not what FoX-men fans want. They'd rather the movies stay the same than get egg on their face for saying that you can't do the X-men like the comics for years. They keep bringing up comic panels of something they took from the comics, but still not seeing that the movie makers took the fantasy out of it. "More grounded!" People really don't want the X-men in the "real world." Isn’t that why the DC movies suck? Because they are grounded? Nah. Cause they can't get the characters right.
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Post by summers8 on Jun 3, 2018 18:09:32 GMT
this is too funny now. real marvel fans vs mcu fans.
Real marvel fans know marvel is actually more grounded than DC. its the reason their characters lived in real places like new york to Gotham and smallvile and marvel had deeper comics.disney came around and made marvel cgi colourful awful fantasy because that is what attracted kids more.
funny that the netflix mcu shows gets more respect and are taken more seriously than the mcu movies and they are grounded.
yes dc movies are grounded, one reason the burton's and nolan's batman films and v for vendetta are superior to the mcu disney movies and people saw the bias hate to the snyder movies for daring to be different from mcu movies. wait till speilberg, reeves and scoresese make their DC movies. what mcu fans can do is pray it does not happen as they are praying for MM not to happen.
Comcast please buy fox. would be funny to see mcu ''secure'' fanboys meltdowns.
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Post by spooner5020 on Jun 3, 2018 18:13:06 GMT
this is too funny now. real marvel fans vs mcu fans. Real marvel fans know marvel is actually more grounded than DC. its the reason their characters lived in real places like new york to Gotham and smallvile and marvel had deeper comics. disney came around and made marvel cgi colourful awful fantasy because that is what attracted kids more. funny that the netflix mcu shows gets more respect and are taken more seriously than the mcu movies and they are grounded.yes dc movies are grounded, one reason the burton's and nolan's batman films and v for vendetta are superior to the mcu disney movies and people saw the bias hate to the snyder movies for daring to be different from mcu movies. wait till speilberg, reeves and scoresese make their DC movies. what mcu fans can do is pray it does not happen as they are praying for MM not to happen. Comcast please buy fox. would be funny to see mcu ''secure'' fanboys meltdowns. I’m blocking you moron. You are too stupid for words. Goodbye.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 3, 2018 18:14:58 GMT
Since our Fox-Men smitten friend likes facts, here's another one. The Fox X-Men movies literally get nothing right about any of the characters when compared to the source material. We've seen decades of go-nowhere easter eggs, underdeveloped plot lines and banal melodrama. Fox has given us Les Misérables with mutants. They get the tone right. Thats the most important criteria to hit. Disney has shown it will make Xmen more lighthearted, comedic and jokey; thus unfaithful to the comics, no matter how pretty the costume design is or how crisp the CGI of the Savage land is. The tone? What “tone” would that be, kind sir? Enlighten us, please. I’m sure that as a self professed expert on the matter you could write us a treatise on the X-Men’s proper and singular tone. Your opening salvo would surely acknowledge that the X-Men’s “tone” is not just one dingy gray shot after another. Surely you could help the class to understand that the X-Men is about family first before politics, clandestine programs, heavy-handed social commentary, underground lairs and brittle characterizations. And I know you’d be the first to acknowledge that the children of the atom have crossed many styles and genres including, science fiction, action, fantasy, noir, adventure, horror, war, and even westerns. So please, tell us, what is that one “tone” that every X-Men story has and will forever be required to adhere to which ONLY Fox can deliver on?
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Post by summers8 on Jun 3, 2018 18:20:24 GMT
They get the tone right. Thats the most important criteria to hit. Disney has shown it will make Xmen more lighthearted, comedic and jokey; thus unfaithful to the comics, no matter how pretty the costume design is or how crisp the CGI of the Savage land is. The tone? What “tone” would that be, kind sir? Enlighten us, please. I’m sure that as a self professed expert on the matter you could write us a treatise on the X-Men’s proper and singular tone. Your opening salvo would surely acknowledge that the X-Men’s “tone” is not just one dingy gray shot after another. Surely you could help the class to understand that the X-Men is about family first before politics, clandestine programs, heavy-handed social commentary, underground lairs and brittle characterizations. And I know you’d be the first to acknowledge that the children of the atom have crossed many styles and genres including, science fiction, action, fantasy, noir, adventure, horror, war, and even westerns. So please, tell us, what is that one “tone” that every X-Men story has and will forever be required to adhere to which ONLY Fox can deliver on? the tone made for dummies.
Kevin Feige: Marvel Cinematic Universe Will Never Be 'Dark'
the tone for thor 3 should have been more LOTR less fake gotg since the original gotg of the comics is not like the movie.
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Post by spooner5020 on Jun 3, 2018 18:23:51 GMT
The tone? What “tone” would that be, kind sir? Enlighten us, please. I’m sure that as a self professed expert on the matter you could write us a treatise on the X-Men’s proper and singular tone. Your opening salvo would surely acknowledge that the X-Men’s “tone” is not just one dingy gray shot after another. Surely you could help the class to understand that the X-Men is about family first before politics, clandestine programs, heavy-handed social commentary, underground lairs and brittle characterizations. And I know you’d be the first to acknowledge that the children of the atom have crossed many styles and genres including, science fiction, action, fantasy, noir, adventure, horror, war, and even westerns. So please, tell us, what is that one “tone” that every X-Men story has and will forever be required to adhere to which ONLY Fox can deliver on? the tone made for dummies.
Kevin Feige: Marvel Cinematic Universe Will Never Be 'Dark'
the tone for thor 3 should have been more LOTR less fake gotg since the original gotg of the comics is not like the movie.
The gotg movies aren’t following the original run you moron!!
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Post by summers8 on Jun 3, 2018 18:24:49 GMT
the tone made for dummies.
Kevin Feige: Marvel Cinematic Universe Will Never Be 'Dark'
the tone for thor 3 should have been more LOTR less fake gotg since the original gotg of the comics is not like the movie.
The gotg movies aren’t following the original run you moron!!
Yawn. wake me when comcast buys fox.
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Post by spooner5020 on Jun 3, 2018 19:17:40 GMT
The gotg movies aren’t following the original run you moron!!
Yawn. wake me when comcast buys fox.
Nah i’ll be too busy laughing at you when Disney buys fox and makes the X-men right.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 3, 2018 20:43:47 GMT
lol at Fox getting the "tone" of the X-men right. TWS, CW, Thor and BP's tones would have fit the X-men far better than what we got with the fox movies.
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Post by spooner5020 on Jun 3, 2018 21:10:07 GMT
lol at Fox getting the "tone" of the X-men right. TWS, CW, Thor and BP's tones would have fit the X-men far better than what we got with the fox movies. Exactly again. The movies didn’t capture the X-men at all, if the cartoons capture the tone better you know the movies are doing something wrong. I shouldn’t have to repeat myself,but it’s like talking to a brick wall with him.
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Post by charzhino on Jun 3, 2018 23:34:27 GMT
The tone? What “tone” would that be, kind sir? Enlighten us, please. I’m sure that as a self professed expert on the matter you could write us a treatise on the X-Men’s proper and singular tone. The world building environment that the movie is played out in is the tone. And this is split into several factors that permeate the movie. Its really simple, Xmen movies take their world seriously, MCU movies DONT. And this is where the movies align with the comics, as Xmen from the Claremont era was essentially set in the real world to mirror the bigotry and various forms of prejudice. That is the base for every Xmen comic, even for the more fantastical stories. To recreate that, there are multiple things that Xmen movies do in general that MCU dont. Villains are given respect and allowed to exhibit their philosophies, they arent relegated to talking heads or the butt end of jokes, they are intellectual opposites of heros and their interactions give significant more insight into the opposing view: An example of how the scene from X2 is superior directing to Ragnarok. Both scenes the heros are meeting their villains for the first time. Within 30 seconds, Hela appears and the action begins. No clever, interesting dialogue. No suspenseful buildup or intriguing character mystery. No tension or the sense of slow dread. Everything which IS present in that first exchange between Stryker and Wolverine and lasts a lot longer without even the need for action. This is what MCU movies are, in a rush to get to the explosions, CGI action with accosmatary punchlines. The action is more artistic and tells a story rather than by the numbers, in-your-face CGI fix. Again 2 scene that are similar 1 on 1 duels. Look how superior and more intense the fight is between Shingen and Logan. The way Mangold sets up the direction, the fight choreography, the background sound of harsh rain, the eerie music with No CGI necessary. In comparison the Ragnarok fight is bland, with simplistic dialogue, unmemorable music and minimal tension. Both scenes involving the climax of killer robots. Yet DOFP blows Age of Ultron out of the water. Lame hide the Zuchinni jokes, bland chroergaphy of CGI punching bags in Ultron clones, no intensity, no stakes and no weight to the whole action scene. No substance. DOFP clip takes care to show the action is relevant to the themes the whole film is trying to explore, that it feels like there are stakes and gravitas to the whole situation. MCU movies dont take care with setup before actions scenes or during them. They just want to rush into them at 100mph. The charatcer arcs are taken seriously and are unafraid of delving deeper into darker paths. Starks PTSD (after having alcohol problems cut) is presented very weak and trivially when compared to either Logan or Professor X. Both Xfilms arent afraid to really convey the true depths of despair both heros are currently in. Starks just feels meh, because Disney are holding back, they dont want to show him hitting real rock bottom. I was going to post more examples but sleep has beaten me and Im sure you get the trend. None of those Xmen scenes would make it into a Disney MCU film. The go to home point is that Disney just FEELS more watered down and diluted, as if they are primarily aimed at kids. They feel too clean, too safe and risk averse in their thematic presentation. Theres not much affliction for artistry or cinematic depth. I will leave with a scene that does provide it and wish the MCU did more and that is the conclusion to Winter Soldier: Story telling through action. Emotionally charged well written dialogue. Sweetly infused musical score. Well paced and tonally perfect. Too bad this is a rarity in the box office juggernaut, the mighty MCU.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 2:00:37 GMT
this is too funny now. real marvel fans vs mcu fans. Real marvel fans know marvel is actually more grounded than DC. its the reason their characters lived in real places like new york to Gotham and smallvile and marvel had deeper comics.disney came around and made marvel cgi colourful awful fantasy because that is what attracted kids more. funny that the netflix mcu shows gets more respect and are taken more seriously than the mcu movies and they are grounded.yes dc movies are grounded, one reason the burton's and nolan's batman films and v for vendetta are superior to the mcu disney movies and people saw the bias hate to the snyder movies for daring to be different from mcu movies. wait till speilberg, reeves and scoresese make their DC movies. what mcu fans can do is pray it does not happen as they are praying for MM not to happen. Comcast please buy fox. would be funny to see mcu ''secure'' fanboys meltdowns.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 4, 2018 17:55:04 GMT
The tone? What “tone” would that be, kind sir? Enlighten us, please. I’m sure that as a self professed expert on the matter you could write us a treatise on the X-Men’s proper and singular tone. The world building environment that the movie is played out in is the tone. And this is split into several factors that permeate the movie. Its really simple, Xmen movies take their world seriously, MCU movies DONT. And this is where the movies align with the comics, as Xmen from the Claremont era was essentially set in the real world to mirror the bigotry and various forms of prejudice. That is the base for every Xmen comic, even for the more fantastical stories. To recreate that, there are multiple things that Xmen movies do in general that MCU dont. Villains are given respect and allowed to exhibit their philosophies, they arent relegated to talking heads or the butt end of jokes, they are intellectual opposites of heros and their interactions give significant more insight into the opposing view: I apologize in advance but, I was unable to read through more than half of your stilted prose before having to give up for fear that I might be damaging myself in some way. The gulf between what you know and what you think you know is vast. Factual inaccuracies aside, your hatred of all things MCU has prevented you from even addressing my question directly. If you need to compare the MCU to the XMU to establish the superiority of the latter, you've failed. That statement is incomprehensible nonsense. You've conflated world building, the act of creating a believable and internally consistent world, with the mood and atmosphere of a film. One may contribute to the other; however, they are surely not synonymous. A first-year undergraduate film student or entry-level text on the subject can provide further clarification for you. What are these factors? Why have you not elucidated them? I took you for anything but being lazy. Instead of doing your due diligence, you lapse into yet another muddled comparison between the MCU and the XMU. Is this the only way that the worth of the XMU can be proven? Could your hesitation to discuss the XMU on its own merits be because of it's glaring inconsistencies, one-note characterizations and profoundly flawed interpretation of the source material? Hmmm, let's delve deeper. Statements like this often act as the refuge of the casual X-Men reader or those who seek to exalt some political or social agenda by using the X-Men as the quintessential example of how to approach societal criticism in science fiction and fantasy. They're quick to point out Claremont and his use of allegory, metaphor and social commentary as the essential traits of the X-Men. And, while there is no denying that his work was influential, there are several other writers of note who have contributed to the continuing evolution of the Children of The Atom. We do owe Claremont an enormous debt; but, it's not one we have to repay to him by rehashing his themes ad infinitum in the cinematic medium. If you were willing to look beyond the quotable and often parroted virtues of Claremont's work, you'd find that he was writing a complex and engaging melodrama about people. And he didn't sacrifice the portrayal of these people as unique and complex beings for the sake of turning them into generic stand-ins for all minorities as the XMU is so keen to do. Furthermore, the X-Men of the twenty-first century have long since moved beyond the politics that made them famous in the popular culture. They are now in complete possession of themselves, and they recognize themselves for what they are. The X-Men are gods who walk among men. The decision to interfere in their lives no longer evokes "a great swell of pity for the poor soul who comes to that school... looking for trouble." It invites new, transcendental understanding. Your feeble insistence that galaxy-spanning adventures that placed the X-Men at the center of interstellar conflicts between multiple galactic powers were somehow "essentially set in the real world to mirror the bigotry and various forms of prejudice" is a towering monument to your ignorance. The X-Men did not travel from world to world and save the universe time and time again because they were feared and hated or in spite of being feared and hated. They are not such reactionary creatures. They did it because, when the opportunity arose, they were the only ones who could. Do you honestly believe that all Claremont ever wrote about in his seventeen-year tenure on the title were stories about bigotry and hatred? Were you not there as Danielle Moonstar and Kitty Pride went through their respective rites of passage and came of age as powerful young women? Did you miss Ororo Munroe falling in love with the same man who was responsible for taking away the one thing that defined her? Did you sleep through Havok and Wolverine discovering they had more in common than not, bonding on a road trip and thwarting a cold-war era relic's plan for world domination? Where you on sabbatical when James Howlett finally paid the psychological toll for years of killing? You are a dilettante, a dabbler, and an amateur. I watched you for years sauntering into my local comic book store thumbing through the trades with your greasy hands and drooling over the pretty pictures. You look, but you don't see. You read but, you don't comprehend. You chat breezily with the staff as they politely direct you to the "essentials," and when all is said and done, you walk out empty handed and unchanged. Never place yourself on the same level with me as a member of the Marvel fandom.
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Post by charzhino on Jun 4, 2018 19:31:33 GMT
Factual inaccuracies aside, your hatred of all things MCU has prevented you from even addressing my question directly. If you need to compare the MCU to the XMU to establish the superiority of the latter, you've failed. I dont hate "all things MCU". I dislike some things MCU, get it right. The examples I highlighted in isolation are superior directing, filmmaking and scene constructions to their counterparts in very similar scenarios. They highlight my point well about the urgency to rush into action without any weight supporting them. That is a common MCU complaint and part the reason why their tone of films are so soft. I did, you admitted not reading. Villains get adequate screentime and treated as equals to the protagonist intellectually. Third act climaxes are interwoven strongly with the narrative and achieve satisfying fruition to the story at hand. Action/fight scenes have more emotional resonance and not reduced to independent set pieces. Darker character arcs are explored with more depth and rigor with an almost no holds barred approach. Bathos humour is rarely applied. Throw all these beats and characteristics into a melting pot and you will start to see the tone of Xmen films emerge and how they are different to MCU flicks (in general). All those clips show it and the result is a more serious style of storytelling, just like the Xmen comics. Take away or minimise any of those and you get the MCU tone, style, atmosphere - whatever you want to call it. That's my answer to what tone is in the 2 film franchises, and a rebuttal to your claim that the Xfilms get literally nothing right. And il repeat, Xfilms take their world seriously, MCU take it as a joke. The rest of your post is irrelevant and patronizing.
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