Eλευθερί
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Post by Eλευθερί on May 29, 2018 7:21:02 GMT
If God is infinitely merciful, then He can forgive even the most unspeakably evil acts.
Should we not, therefore, pray for Satan?
Maybe if more people prayed for Satan, there would be less evil in the world.
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Post by captainbryce on May 29, 2018 13:14:00 GMT
If God is infinitely merciful, then He can forgive even the most unspeakably evil acts. Should we not, therefore, pray for Satan? Maybe if more people prayed for Satan, there would be less evil in the world. Kind of begging the question isn’t it? |
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Post by johnblutarsky on May 30, 2018 15:44:24 GMT
I prayed that the TV Show "Lucifer" got renewed, but alas....it wasn't meant to be.
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Post by Rodney Farber on May 30, 2018 17:10:44 GMT
If God is infinitely merciful, then He can forgive even the most unspeakably evil acts. ... WTF makes you think God is infinitely merciful? If God were infinitely merciful, then why did he invoke the death penalty in so many places in the bible. C'mon, at one point, he sends bears to kill 42 kids just because they were mocking a bald guy. God doesn't forgive, he uses his might to demand that everyone kiss his ass.
And let's not forget the great flood where millions of innocent children were cruelly drowned.
The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Richard Dawkins |
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 1, 2018 7:04:28 GMT
Yes, that's true. but... that's on the condition that one repents and tries to avoid those evil acts etc. but even once He forgives the person, that person still has to pay for the evil they have done either in this life (through suffering or charitable acts etc) or in the next (Purgatory) before eventually reaching Heaven. once someone ends up in hell, it's forever.
NOTE: I know one might be tempted to think ill just commit the sin now and worry about repenting later. but that's a bad way to think about it.
p.s. but in my estimations... once someone crosses a certain point it's unlikely they will repent and move back towards God as they will likely continue in their evil ways etc. |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jun 1, 2018 8:22:30 GMT
Yes, that's true. but... that's on the condition that one repents and tries to avoid those evil acts etc. So isn't that a perfect reason to pray for Satan to be good, repent, and stop doing bad things? Did you just make that up? |
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 1, 2018 9:43:05 GMT
Yes, that's true. but... that's on the condition that one repents and tries to avoid those evil acts etc. So isn't that a perfect reason to pray for Satan to be good, repent, and stop doing bad things? Did you just make that up? He has not made that up. That is the official traditional Catholic position though many moderate Catholics of today might try to distance themselves from such a stance. As a matter of fact that's also a position held by traditional Islam and most of the pre-enlightenment sects of Christianity. |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jun 1, 2018 9:56:32 GMT
So isn't that a perfect reason to pray for Satan to be good, repent, and stop doing bad things? Did you just make that up? He has not made that up. That is the official traditional Catholic position though many moderate Catholics of today might try to distance themselves from such a stance. As a matter of fact that's also a position held by traditional Islam and most of the pre-enlightenment sects of Christianity. The catechism speaks to eternal damnation after the Final Judgment of human beings who have died. Where does the Church say that Satan, who is not human and has not died, is eternally damned and can never be granted forgiveness by God? |
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 1, 2018 10:06:50 GMT
He has not made that up. That is the official traditional Catholic position though many moderate Catholics of today might try to distance themselves from such a stance. As a matter of fact that's also a position held by traditional Islam and most of the pre-enlightenment sects of Christianity. The catechism speaks to eternal damnation after the Final Judgment of human beings who have died. Where does the Church say that Satan, who is not human and has not died, is eternally damned and can never be granted forgiveness by God? He was speaking of human beings when he wrote that.
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