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Post by Cody™ on May 31, 2018 19:20:22 GMT
Is it more 'convenient' to take someone off life support so that the community doesn't incur the costs of endlessly prolonging a life, or to abort a clump of cells that could potentially kill the mother and prevent her from having a 'normal' life, without incurring the cost and responsibility of 18+ years of financial and emotional support of a child she doesn't want? That whole paragraph is lol. You could pretty much say that about her entire post history.
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Post by Cody™ on May 31, 2018 19:32:04 GMT
monicahThey should have thought of that beforehand then. Cause and effect and all that. Condoms don’t cost an awful lot. I’m sure most alcoholics and junkies didn’t want to become what they became neither when they first started drinking and taking drugs.
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Post by Lugh on May 31, 2018 21:22:55 GMT
Seems kind of arbitrary in a silly ad hoc way to draw the line at bodies though. All morality is arbitrary in that sense. It's inescapable. Aren't you a socialist? This guy puts it nicely.
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Post by Terrapin Station on May 31, 2018 22:13:56 GMT
All morality is arbitrary in that sense. It's inescapable. Aren't you a socialist? This guy puts it nicely. I'm a very idiosyncratic sort of libertarian socialist. The socialist part of my views doesn't have anything to do with telling people how they have to treat each other.
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Post by goz on May 31, 2018 22:47:28 GMT
That whole paragraph is lol. You could pretty much say that about her entire post history. Thanks Cody, It is nice to have my wit and humour appreciated on here.
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Post by Eλευθερί on May 31, 2018 23:38:18 GMT
with our advancements in healthcare, developing embryos can survive outside of the womb Where did you see it reported that human embryos have been shown to survive independently outside of the womb? a newborn's life is entirely dependent on someone else being there to care for it for its continued existence, yet most sane people would agree that leaving that child to die would be evil A newborn's continued growth imposes no risk of bodily harm on any other individual. A fetus, by contrast, cannot survive outside the womb until it is outside the womb, and there is no way for a viable fetus to get outside the womb to be able to continue its growth without risk of harm, including risk of death, to the woman.
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Post by Eλευθερί on May 31, 2018 23:43:32 GMT
monicah They should have thought of that beforehand then. Cause and effect and all that. Condoms don’t cost an awful lot. I’m sure most alcoholics and junkies didn’t want to become what they became neither when they first started drinking and taking drugs. This sums up what's behind a very large proportion of anti-choice ideology. It's about controlling women's bodies. It's about punishing women for having independent ideas and feelings, making their own choices in life, and enjoying sex for sex's own sake.
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Post by goz on Jun 1, 2018 0:51:39 GMT
monicah They should have thought of that beforehand then. Cause and effect and all that. Condoms don’t cost an awful lot. I’m sure most alcoholics and junkies didn’t want to become what they became neither when they first started drinking and taking drugs. This sums up what's behind a very large proportion of anti-choice ideology. It's about controlling women's bodies. It's about punishing women for having independent ideas and feelings, making their own choices in life, and enjoying sex for sex's own sake. As one of the resident feminists here, I have to agree. We have a long way to go in overcoming the ubiquitous 'double standard' that men ( and sometimes other women especially the religious) place on women. Such sayings as ' a woman should be an angel in church, an earth mother in the kitchen and nursery, a lady in the living room, and a whore in the bedroom' only emphasise the ridiculous fantasies and expectations that are placed on women. Apparently she should also be in charge of contraception and never have an accidental pregnancy. She should always be herself and make her own choices in ALL these respects. The Pro-Life crowd even add more into that impossible standard by demanding that should she accidentally become pregnant, that she should sacrifice her own needs, wants ,desires and morals lifelong to appease the god-botherers' worldview of how she should live her life, by abstaining from having an early abortion.
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Post by Cody™ on Jun 1, 2018 7:49:22 GMT
monicah They should have thought of that beforehand then. Cause and effect and all that. Condoms don’t cost an awful lot. I’m sure most alcoholics and junkies didn’t want to become what they became neither when they first started drinking and taking drugs. This sums up what's behind a very large proportion of anti-choice ideology. It's about controlling women's bodies. It's about punishing women for having independent ideas and feelings, making their own choices in life, and enjoying sex for sex's own sake. LOL Is this seriously a serious reply?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 22:47:49 GMT
monicah They should have thought of that beforehand then. Cause and effect and all that. Condoms don’t cost an awful lot. I’m sure most alcoholics and junkies didn’t want to become what they became neither when they first started drinking and taking drugs. But my point is that shame and judgement shouldn't be the approach when addressing the topic. Emotional support should be the way to go about it.
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Post by kls on Jun 2, 2018 9:40:24 GMT
I'd respect those with anti abortion views more if they were active in trying to assist a pregnant woman through her pregnancy. They say 'Don't do it.', but offer her no assistance in terms of an alternative.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 2, 2018 12:35:17 GMT
I'd respect those with anti abortion views more if they were active in trying to assist a pregnant woman through her pregnancy. They say 'Don't do it.', but offer her no assistance in terms of an alternative. Anytime people say things like this, they are saying women are idiots.
Why on Earth would that be anyone's responsibility? It's like saying one piece of advice mandates 12 pieces of advice. There are plenty of options outside of killing a prekid and if the woman followed the advice to not kill the prekid, why wouldn't they then find out the other options? Pro-abortion types pretend the ONLY available is to raise a kid you don;t want which is stupid reasoning.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jun 2, 2018 12:56:41 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 2, 2018 13:42:14 GMT
Wait, she was expecting a bunch of Republicans to have her back after having an affair and engaging in stupid sex with a married man? It's a good article though.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jun 2, 2018 14:40:45 GMT
Wait, she was expecting a bunch of Republicans to have her back after having an affair and engaging in stupid sex with a married man? It's a good article though. Because punishing a sinful woman is more important than caring for a new life.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 2, 2018 15:04:48 GMT
Wait, she was expecting a bunch of Republicans to have her back after having an affair and engaging in stupid sex with a married man? It's a good article though. Because punishing a sinful woman is more important than caring for a new life. That isn't punishing her. They weren't friends of her to begin with. Se made poor choices and no one is under obligation to support or comfort her in those poor choices. They also have a right to have an opinion that is contrary to another opinion. For example, she made the right choice in keeping her illegitimate kid from a married man and I can say that without any concern of supporting that decision. You would think pro-abortion folks were actually helping poor pregnant women pay the 500 to 1000 bucks to have the procedure done.
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