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Post by Skaathar on Jun 13, 2018 0:41:56 GMT
Anyone in their right mind. In other words it's your opinion? |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jun 13, 2018 17:42:10 GMT
Superman is the most iconic character of all time after Mickey Mouse. Lol What? I'm pretty sure Jesus is more iconic than both of them. But Jesus isn't real! duh! |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jun 13, 2018 17:46:25 GMT
Anyone in their right mind. In other words it's your opinion? The opinion of the sane! I don't believe in leprechauns either lol |
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 13, 2018 18:47:37 GMT
Lol What? I'm pretty sure Jesus is more iconic than both of them. But Jesus isn't real! duh! There's no proof to show he wasn't. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jun 13, 2018 20:38:36 GMT
But Jesus isn't real! duh! There's no proof to show he wasn't. That's not exactly how proof works. Proof exists to show that something DOES exist. If there's nothing to prove that it did exist then it didn't.
I can prove to you a ton of things. I can prove Elephants exist. I cant disprove that there's a pink one that can fly. There's nothing to work with in the first place.
If I say something doesn't exist the burden is on you to show me the proof that it did, not to tell me "well you cant DISprove it". I cant disprove Lucky Charms give you magical powers either but we all know they don't.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 13, 2018 21:39:19 GMT
There's no proof to show he wasn't. That's not exactly how proof works. Proof exists to show that something DOES exist. If there's nothing to prove that it did exist then it didn't.
I can prove to you a ton of things. I can prove Elephants exist. I cant disprove that there's a pink one that can fly. There's nothing to work with in the first place.
If I say something doesn't exist the burden is on you to show me the proof that it did, not to tell me "well you cant DISprove it". I cant disprove Lucky Charms give you magical powers either but we all know they don't.
There is proof he existed. Based on all the historic stories told about him, documentaries, and research. Based on Peter founding the papacy who've then had multiple successors, etc. Granted, it's not extremely strong proof but they're there and they are proof. So if you want to say "he doesn't exist", then you're basically disagreeing with the proof that is already provided, which means you then need to provide your own proof to back up your claim. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jun 14, 2018 14:56:11 GMT
That's not exactly how proof works. Proof exists to show that something DOES exist. If there's nothing to prove that it did exist then it didn't.
I can prove to you a ton of things. I can prove Elephants exist. I cant disprove that there's a pink one that can fly. There's nothing to work with in the first place.
If I say something doesn't exist the burden is on you to show me the proof that it did, not to tell me "well you cant DISprove it". I cant disprove Lucky Charms give you magical powers either but we all know they don't.
There is proof he existed. Based on all the historic stories told about him, documentaries, and research. Based on Peter founding the papacy who've then had multiple successors, etc. Granted, it's not extremely strong proof but they're there and they are proof. So if you want to say "he doesn't exist", then you're basically disagreeing with the proof that is already provided, which means you then need to provide your own proof to back up your claim. ALL of that proof is A) circumstantial, and B) man made, manufactured. I could write the shit out of a history of the flying pink elephant, make it sound so plausible that others believe it (flat earth anyone?), and then have them also write anecdotal histories of the flying pink elephant, and pass it down the generation from parent to child etc etc... but there's still NO FLYING PINK ELEPHANT. Its proof of things that don't exist.
Tolkiens Lord of the Rings goes as far as creating maps and histories and even entire languages for Middle Earth! The man had more compiled notes than even the Bible! Star Trek takes it one step further and by creating live action shows and movies! There's more "proof" in those two fictional universes than there is in all of Christianity and none of it's real!!!
Religion and all its doctrines are institutions of mass social control. Believe in Jesus, do as Jesus would do, he DIED for YOUR sins so how can you not love him?, Do good and you will go to heaven, the BEST place possible, or do bad and you will go to hell, the WORST place possible! What are we sheep? Children? And yet a parent teaches that to someone when they're an impressionable child and they take it as gospel (no pun intended). Doesn't make ANY of it true or real.
Every shroud of Turin has been disproved, every tomb of Jesus has been disproved, no spear of destiny or holy grail has ever been found with any Christ DNA, but yet Dinosaurs from 60 million years ago have left bones behind.
I'll believe... when I have PROOF. Something that can be scientifically verified. Until then, its like the flying pink elephant, sasquatch and the lucky charms mascot. Magically delicious.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 14, 2018 15:29:23 GMT
There is proof he existed. Based on all the historic stories told about him, documentaries, and research. Based on Peter founding the papacy who've then had multiple successors, etc. Granted, it's not extremely strong proof but they're there and they are proof. So if you want to say "he doesn't exist", then you're basically disagreeing with the proof that is already provided, which means you then need to provide your own proof to back up your claim. ALL of that proof is A) circumstantial, and B) man made, manufactured. I could write the shit out of a history of the flying pink elephant, make it sound so plausible that others believe it (flat earth anyone?), and then have them also write anecdotal histories of the flying pink elephant, and pass it down the generation from parent to child etc etc... but there's still NO FLYING PINK ELEPHANT. Its proof of things that don't exist.
Tolkiens Lord of the Rings goes as far as creating maps and histories and even entire languages for Middle Earth! The man had more compiled notes than even the Bible! Star Trek takes it one step further and by creating live action shows and movies! There's more "proof" in those two fictional universes than there is in all of Christianity and none of it's real!!!
Religion and all its doctrines are institutions of mass social control. Believe in Jesus, do as Jesus would do, he DIED for YOUR sins so how can you not love him?, Do good and you will go to heaven, the BEST place possible, or do bad and you will go to hell, the WORST place possible! What are we sheep? Children? And yet a parent teaches that to someone when they're an impressionable child and they take it as gospel (no pun intended). Doesn't make ANY of it true or real.
Every shroud of Turin has been disproved, every tomb of Jesus has been disproved, no spear of destiny or holy grail has ever been found with any Christ DNA, but yet Dinosaurs from 60 million years ago have left bones behind.
I'll believe... when I have PROOF. Something that can be scientifically verified. Until then, its like the flying pink elephant, sasquatch and the lucky charms mascot. Magically delicious.
sorry you are not making sense. There is evidence that "historical Jesus" (not "biblical Jesus" walking over water) existed, and that's prevailing opinion amongst historians.
It's even confirmed in independent sources like in Roman Annals, book 15, chapter 44., in which Roman historian Tacitusreferred to Christus and his execution by Pontius Pilate. Details are naturally disputed and murky, but there was a John-disciple acting against Roman occupation and against Jewish Priests (as collaborators) who was finally crucified for that.
The rest is imagination and religious apotheosis by his disciples. And no, the Easter Bunny is still fake.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 14, 2018 16:01:55 GMT
^ What he said. Just because you don't believe in Biblical Jesus doesn't mean that you get to deny all the documented accounts of an historic Jesus.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jun 14, 2018 18:41:57 GMT
ALL of that proof is A) circumstantial, and B) man made, manufactured. I could write the shit out of a history of the flying pink elephant, make it sound so plausible that others believe it (flat earth anyone?), and then have them also write anecdotal histories of the flying pink elephant, and pass it down the generation from parent to child etc etc... but there's still NO FLYING PINK ELEPHANT. Its proof of things that don't exist.
Tolkiens Lord of the Rings goes as far as creating maps and histories and even entire languages for Middle Earth! The man had more compiled notes than even the Bible! Star Trek takes it one step further and by creating live action shows and movies! There's more "proof" in those two fictional universes than there is in all of Christianity and none of it's real!!!
Religion and all its doctrines are institutions of mass social control. Believe in Jesus, do as Jesus would do, he DIED for YOUR sins so how can you not love him?, Do good and you will go to heaven, the BEST place possible, or do bad and you will go to hell, the WORST place possible! What are we sheep? Children? And yet a parent teaches that to someone when they're an impressionable child and they take it as gospel (no pun intended). Doesn't make ANY of it true or real.
Every shroud of Turin has been disproved, every tomb of Jesus has been disproved, no spear of destiny or holy grail has ever been found with any Christ DNA, but yet Dinosaurs from 60 million years ago have left bones behind.
I'll believe... when I have PROOF. Something that can be scientifically verified. Until then, its like the flying pink elephant, sasquatch and the lucky charms mascot. Magically delicious.
sorry you are not making sense. There is evidence that "historical Jesus" (not "biblical Jesus" walking over water) existed, and that's prevailing opinion amongst historians.
It's even confirmed in independent sources like in Roman Annals, book 15, chapter 44., in which Roman historian Tacitusreferred to Christus and his execution by Pontius Pilate. Details are naturally disputed and murky, but there was a John-disciple acting against Roman occupation and against Jewish Priests (as collaborators) who was finally crucified for that.
The rest is imagination and religious apotheosis by his disciples. And no, the Easter Bunny is still fake.
People gonna believe what they gonna believe. Peace! |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jun 14, 2018 18:43:41 GMT
^ What he said. Just because you don't believe in Biblical Jesus doesn't mean that you get to deny all the documented accounts of an historic Jesus. People gonna believe what they gonna believe. Peace! |
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 14, 2018 19:19:21 GMT
^ What he said. Just because you don't believe in Biblical Jesus doesn't mean that you get to deny all the documented accounts of an historic Jesus. People gonna believe what they gonna believe. Peace! All I'm saying is that there is proof Jesus existed. If you want to claim that he didn't, then you need to provide proof to back you up. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jun 14, 2018 19:38:23 GMT
People gonna believe what they gonna believe. Peace! All I'm saying is that there is proof Jesus existed. If you want to claim that he didn't, then you need to provide proof to back you up. Y'know what? You've convinced me! Jesus IS real! I'll meet you at church! Uhhh... wait... which church?
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 14, 2018 20:36:15 GMT
All I'm saying is that there is proof Jesus existed. If you want to claim that he didn't, then you need to provide proof to back you up. Y'know what? You've convinced me! Jesus IS real! I'll meet you at church! Uhhh... wait... which church?
Well, I'm not asking you to believe in his religion. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jun 14, 2018 20:50:26 GMT
Y'know what? You've convinced me! Jesus IS real! I'll meet you at church! Uhhh... wait... which church?
Well, I'm not asking you to believe in his religion. But I do believe! You convinced me!
With these "new eyes" I'm gonna look into Atlantis too! Maybe it'll lead to the Hollow Earth, or that cave that Elvis Presley, Bruce Lee and Tupac are hiding in!
I BELIEVE!
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Post by James Bond on Jun 14, 2018 22:09:41 GMT
Well, I'm not asking you to believe in his religion. But I do believe! You convinced me!
With these "new eyes" I'm gonna look into Atlantis too! Maybe it'll lead to the Hollow Earth, or that cave that Elvis Presley, Bruce Lee and Tupac are hiding in!
I BELIEVE!
You're being extremely silly. Not believing in the biblical jesus is perfectly sane but not believing that there was ever any jesus at all despite the consensus among historians is completely irrational. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 8:23:21 GMT
I don't think DC or Marvel ever had the most iconic characters. Disney has and I am talking about their animated movies with classic characters that have been around for decades that are still popular now and are getting live action movies. A lot of the superheroes that are getting movies now hardly anybody even knew about before the DCEU and MCU existed and fun fact, Sabrina the Teenage Witch was more well known in the 90s and early 00s than every character in the DCEU and MCU apart from Superman, Batman and Spider-Man. 
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Post by James Bond on Jun 15, 2018 13:02:16 GMT
I don't think DC or Marvel ever had the most iconic characters. Disney has and I am talking about their animated movies with classic characters that have been around for decades that are still popular now and are getting live action movies. A lot of the superheroes that are getting movies now hardly anybody even knew about before the DCEU and MCU existed and fun fact, Sabrina the Teenage Witch was more well known in the 90s and early 00s than every character in the DCEU and MCU apart from Superman, Batman and Spider-Man. And Wonder Woman, Captain America and the Hulk. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jun 15, 2018 14:58:55 GMT
But I do believe! You convinced me!
With these "new eyes" I'm gonna look into Atlantis too! Maybe it'll lead to the Hollow Earth, or that cave that Elvis Presley, Bruce Lee and Tupac are hiding in!
I BELIEVE!
You're being extremely silly. Not believing in the biblical jesus is perfectly sane but not believing that there was ever any jesus at all despite the consensus among historians is completely irrational. Captain James Tiberius Kirk, there is more proof that YOU exist than there is Jesus. Even though you've been played by two different actors! I believe in Kirk!
These from various sources I researched:
A number of scholars have criticized the various approaches used in the study of the historical Jesus—on one hand, for the lack of rigor in research methods; on the other, for being driven by "specific agendas" that interpret ancient sources to fit specific goals.
There is no physical or archaeological evidence for Jesus. All sources are documentary, mainly Christian writings, such as the gospels and the purported letters of the apostles. The authenticity and reliability of these sources has been questioned by many scholars, and few events mentioned in the gospels are universally accepted.
Most theological historians, Christian and non-Christian alike, believe that Jesus really did walk the Earth. However, they draw that conclusion from textual evidence in the Bible, rather than from the odd assortment of relics parading as physical evidence in churches all over Europe.
That's because, from fragments of text written on bits of parchment to overly abundant chips of wood allegedly salvaged from his crucifix, none of the physical evidence of Jesus' life and death hold up to scientific scrutiny.
Perhaps the most famous religious relic in the world, the Shroud of Turin, is believed by many to be the burial cloth of Jesus. The 14-by-4-foot linen blanket, which bears the ghostly image of a man's body, has been worshipped by millions of pilgrims in a cathedral in Turin, Italy. But scientifically speaking, the Shroud of Turin is a fake.
A similar relic is the Sudarium of Oviedo, a blood-stained cloth that was supposedly wrapped around Christ's head when he died and which, since A.D. 718, has taken pride of place in a cathedral in Spain. However, ...the Sudarium has been carbon dated numerous times to circa A.D. 695 – not long before it showed up in Oviedo.
The first problem we encounter when trying to discover more about the Historical Jesus is the lack of early sources. The earliest sources only reference the clearly fictional Christ of Faith. These early sources, compiled decades after the alleged events, all stem from Christian authors eager to promote Christianity – which gives us reason to question them.
The methods traditionally used to tease out rare nuggets of truth from the Gospels are dubious. The criterion of embarrassment says that if a section would be embarrassing for the author, it is more likely authentic. Unfortunately, given the diverse nature of Christianity and Judaism back then (things have not changed all that much), and the anonymity of the authors, it is impossible to determine what truly would be embarrassing or counter-intuitive, let alone if that might not serve some evangelistic purpose.
Should I go on? I can.
To be clear I am not necessarily doubting the existence. He might have existed. Maybe. I AM doubting the proof. There's no PROOF.
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