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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 5:20:40 GMT
It's the last good console released imo, well maybe the ps2 is technically the last one, it's between those two systems though. It's the last console released where it didn't just focus on improving graphics, I mean: It seems now, the only innovation between systems that come out now is slightly improved graphics between whatever new one comes out and the last one, uh boring. Which is fine if you care 'bout that sort of thing , but i'm like, I don't give two craps about graphics.
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Post by MooseNugget on Jun 3, 2018 16:42:36 GMT
The problem with the 32/64 generation of consoles was the transition from 2D games to 3D. The 16 Bit era was really fantastic because developers figured out how to make great 2D games and they were just fine tuning them at that point. Not saying any game was great back then but the top titles are better than those of the next generation. And it makes sense because when we moved to 3D they had to hit the reset button and learn everything all over again. I didn't own a Saturn or a Dreamcast but I think we got better 3D titles from PlayStation and Nintendo in the next generation than that one. And I love going back and play the Silent Hill, Rare and Nintendo games.
I brought my Nintendo 64 to my co-workers house and we had a lot of fun with it. I miss being able to just pop in a game and have it work. It's why I prefer The Switch now over The Xbox One and The PS4.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 1:25:12 GMT
I think the N64 is the first system where I felt underwhelmed by Nintendo, at least as a kid. Coming off some of the legendary games of the SNES, I was expecting a lot from their next console but the game library didn't quite deliver for me.
A lot of that is due to Squaresoft going over to Sony. Three games I loved most when I was younger were FF4, FF6, and Chrono Trigger. Once I found out they wouldn't be producing games for the N64, I was disappointed. Plus, the Playstation was getting these other cool games that piqued my interest like Resident Evil and Silent Hill and Metal Gear Solid.
It's not a bad system at all and it's got plenty of gems and classic games. Mario 64, both Zelda games (my pref is Majora's Mask), Goldeneye, Starfox 64, F-zero 64, Banjo-Kazooie, Perfect Dark, among many others... but the PS was putting out far more interesting games when I was that age.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 4, 2018 4:56:15 GMT
The problem with the 32/64 generation of consoles was the transition from 2D games to 3D. The 16 Bit era was really fantastic because developers figured out how to make great 2D games and they were just fine tuning them at that point. Yeah, the blocky 3D era was a major turn off for me. It really felt like the first lateral move in gaming since the NES revived the industry. SNES was the final system I bought. I've read that Rare for instance coming off its primo SNES run of titles, were dumbfounded about how to make DK64 just as great. In the end, it was basically just DK skins on a Banjo Tooie style 3D collect-a-thon. Needless to say, DK64 isn't remembered nearly half as fondly as their DK Country series. There's a great 6 part podcast Business Wars just wrapped about the Nintendo-Sony battle. They cover historically significant & popular company battles. N64 lost to PlayStation because third parties abandoned the cartridges in favour of larger cd disc space + Sony let developers make any degree of genre from family oriented to mature themed. GoldenEye was tame, & the end credits portraying the villains as 'actors' to suggest you were playing a movie. I guess SNES was the pinnacle of my fav era of gaming. Shame it went blocky 3D graphics & pov shooter genre explosion. |
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Post by Seto on Jun 4, 2018 12:13:09 GMT
I guess everyone will be a little biased with this question. People love the games/consoles they grew up playing. And yes for me it was the 64, I absolutely loved that console. But Two-thousand, let me ask you this... You say you don't like the 3D transition. Even in the big RPG's like the two Zelda 64 games and Super Mario 64??? You don't believe the 3D helped enhance the open world feel to those games?? |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 5, 2018 20:51:36 GMT
The problem with the 32/64 generation of consoles was the transition from 2D games to 3D. The 16 Bit era was really fantastic because developers figured out how to make great 2D games and they were just fine tuning them at that point. Yeah, the blocky 3D era was a major turn off for me. It really felt like the first lateral move in gaming since the NES revived the industry. SNES was the final system I bought. I've read that Rare for instance coming off its primo SNES run of titles, were dumbfounded about how to make DK64 just as great. In the end, it was basically just DK skins on a Banjo Tooie style 3D collect-a-thon. Needless to say, DK64 isn't remembered nearly half as fondly as their DK Country series. There's a great 6 part podcast Business Wars just wrapped about the Nintendo-Sony battle. They cover historically significant & popular company battles. N64 lost to PlayStation because third parties abandoned the cartridges in favour of larger cd disc space + Sony let developers make any degree of genre from family oriented to mature themed. GoldenEye was tame, & the end credits portraying the villains as 'actors' to suggest you were playing a movie. I guess SNES was the pinnacle of my fav era of gaming. Shame it went blocky 3D graphics & pov shooter genre explosion. btw, that Business Wars pod is about any/all industries... IBM v UNIVAC, Marvel v DC, Nike v Adidas, & Netflix v Blockbuster so far, since winter 2018 launch. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 5, 2018 20:56:45 GMT
I guess everyone will be a little biased with this question. People love the games/consoles they grew up playing. And yes for me it was the 64, I absolutely loved that console. But Two-thousand, let me ask you this... You say you don't like the 3D transition. Even in the big RPG's like the two Zelda 64 games and Super Mario 64??? You don't believe the 3D helped enhance the open world feel to those games?? That 3D gen felt quite conceptual. The first time I loved open world gaming was GTA Vice City (PC), where the graphics were more artful. What I wanted after SNES was the likes of New Super Mario Bros. or Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze... which history tells it would take another 10-15yrs to get there so it was never in the cards for mid 90's anyways. To your first point, I can attest. 1996 I was surely only playing sports & fighting games. Even if N64 were able to deliver half a great a lineup as SNES, I still probably wouldn't have been onboard. PC gaming from then until about Skyrim for me. Now I've had enough & just back to my NES & SNES Classics + hacks. My titles/reviews are in the 2 threads I made floating around this forum. |
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Post by MooseNugget on Jun 5, 2018 21:34:52 GMT
So back to the 64. I think it was a good console. Going back and collecting now is kind of hard because people like to give BS prices for these old products. I was in Canada last weekend and I was at a anime convention. There were a lot of old Nintendo games for sale and the prices were insane. Fifteen years ago I'd go into a store and buy NES games for $5. I was seeing NES games for $15. And if you wanted Zelda or something like that you'd have to pay the same price you'd pay for a triple A game today. It's crazy.
Some people had fair prices but most of the time you're not getting a good deal.
Another bad thing is the stick on my Nintendo 64 controllers wear out. It has happened to half of the controllers I owned in the '90s. And it is my fault for throwing them into a box with all these other controllers I own but it doesn't screw up any other controller I own that way.
Sometimes I have to mess with my game and consoles before I can get it to start playing but I can make it happen. I can't say the same for The NES.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 15:26:50 GMT
Ya ok but no other system has Body Harvest though. That game is gold!
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 6, 2018 21:58:11 GMT
I will say that Wave Race 64 remains an excellent achievement. Its water physics or whatever are spot on & translate flawlessly for 1996.
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Post by mrellaguru on Jun 7, 2018 3:39:32 GMT
"It's the last console released where it didn't just focus on improving graphics"
Well this is objectively false. What about the Wii and the Switch? They have worse graphics than their competitors but are trying to be innovative in other respects.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 1:32:57 GMT
Ya but the wii and switch are lame though?
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Jun 9, 2018 4:35:09 GMT
The N64 was a fine system, but was pretty much beatdown to a pulp by the original Playstation. Doesn't mean it didn't have great games. Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Starfox...Nintendo was on point when making games. It was the third party that was lacking. Rare came through with Goldeneye (a fun game that's been completely obliterated by the passage of time), but most everyone else saw the flaw with cartridges vs. cd's and Nintendo's draconian policies. That being said, there are a few third party gems. Treasure's Bakaratsu Muteki Bangiaoh (the later Dreamcast version is better) and Sin and Punishment; Body Harvest by DMA Design (Soon to be Rockstar North); and my personal favorite rpg Ogre Battle 64 by Atlus. Good memories, but it's time has come and gone.
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Post by Seto on Jun 9, 2018 8:04:39 GMT
The N64 was a fine system, but was pretty much beatdown to a pulp by the original Playstation. Doesn't mean it didn't have great games. Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Starfox...Nintendo was on point when making games. It was the third party that was lacking. Rare came through with Goldeneye (a fun game that's been completely obliterated by the passage of time), but most everyone else saw the flaw with cartridges vs. cd's and Nintendo's draconian policies. That being said, there are a few third party gems. Treasure's Bakaratsu Muteki Bangiaoh (the later Dreamcast version is better) and Sin and Punishment; Body Harvest by DMA Design (Soon to be Rockstar North); and my personal favorite rpg Ogre Battle 64 by Atlus. Good memories, but it's time has come and gone. Considering its age, Goldeneye still has a very active community. There are hundreds of people ranked on the Goldeneye elite website for speed-runs, there's almost always someone playing it on Twitch and Playthroughs still pop up on Youtube. |
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 25, 2018 4:25:31 GMT
It's the last good console released imo, well maybe the ps2 is technically the last one, it's between those two systems though. It's the last console released where it didn't just focus on improving graphics, I mean: It seems now, the only innovation between systems that come out now is slightly improved graphics between whatever new one comes out and the last one, uh boring. Which is fine if you care 'bout that sort of thing , but i'm like, I don't give two craps about graphics.
And I know the system didn't focus on graphics cuz well, they kinda sucked lol.
I would say it was pretty much the PS2/XBox, basically 2000/2001, when consoles became like today mostly due to the dual analog stick setup etc (I am sure you know what I mean) as before that you where in the early days of 3D were things were evolving etc. I know one could argue the PS1 had the dual analog stick setup (as that controller looks like modern ones) but that was more of a half-assed console on 3D etc as it was still more of the old days in that regard which is why I generally don't count it and refer to 2000/2001 (i.e. PS2/XBox) as the beginning of today's consoles.
but with that said... I would say the N64 was Nintendo's last good console (it was pretty much the last console with Nintendo as a major player (Sony vs Nintendo was the big two in those days) with more serious gamers I guess I could say) as after that Microsoft/Sony seemed to be the major players where as while Nintendo is still Nintendo, they seem to be geared more for a different kind of gamer and took a different direction.
as far as general graphics... I do care about graphics to some degree, as who don't like graphics to get better as time passes(?), but... they can't make or break a game at the end of the day even though they can assist making a game better.
just on a personal level... I am old enough (ill be 39 later this year) to have used a good portion of consoles back around the time they were new or new-ish. I can clearly remember the 2D-to-3D era well which was pretty much 1995-1997 or so (I was born late 1979). but with that said, these current gen consoles (i.e. PS4/XBox One) I have no real interest in. so the newest console I got was XBox360. but in general, since I play mostly shooters, I tend to favor the PC and have for a long time now as the last shooter I liked a lot on a console was GoldenEye on N64 and that was before shooters on consoles became modern with the dual analog stick stuff pretty much and by the time those really took off in 2000/2001+ I was always too used to using a mouse+keyboard and could not go back to a analog stick. hell, I still like to praise GoldenEye on N64 to this day even though I know I don't like that game anywhere near as much as I once did.
with all of that said... as far as innovation etc, I am not sure there is too much else they can do at this point with typical methods we use to play games. but maybe VR (Virtual Reality) is possibly where the future lies with some games(?) for those who want a different experience than the norm.
p.s. for those who like GoldenEye on N64... you might be interested in this for the PC(which is free), www.geshl2.com/ |
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Jul 7, 2018 1:53:59 GMT
Ya ok but no other system has Body Harvest though. That game is gold! So true. Body Harvest is a gem. Sure it looks ugly as hell, but the gameplay is solid. THE precursor to GTA III. |
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Jul 7, 2018 1:57:26 GMT
The N64 was a fine system, but was pretty much beatdown to a pulp by the original Playstation. Doesn't mean it didn't have great games. Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Starfox...Nintendo was on point when making games. It was the third party that was lacking. Rare came through with Goldeneye (a fun game that's been completely obliterated by the passage of time), but most everyone else saw the flaw with cartridges vs. cd's and Nintendo's draconian policies. That being said, there are a few third party gems. Treasure's Bakaratsu Muteki Bangiaoh (the later Dreamcast version is better) and Sin and Punishment; Body Harvest by DMA Design (Soon to be Rockstar North); and my personal favorite rpg Ogre Battle 64 by Atlus. Good memories, but it's time has come and gone. Considering its age, Goldeneye still has a very active community. There are hundreds of people ranked on the Goldeneye elite website for speed-runs, there's almost always someone playing it on Twitch and Playthroughs still pop up on Youtube. I guess your right. Console FPS's became obsolete to me as soon as I embraced the mouse and WASD with CS 1.2 and Team Fortress Classic, so that probably colors my opinion about Goldeneye, Turok, Perfect Dark and that goddamn N64 analog stick. |
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