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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 5, 2018 23:35:28 GMT
The necessity of an agency not found in nature to assemble the first life on Earth has been proved with as much or more certainty as any proof, positive or negative, including gravity. Your childish refusal to accept the truth by making up silly rules of debate that I was never taught in excellent schools of debate and that make no sense as rules at all is pathetic. Your attempts to use the majority of this board as any authority on anything is sad and resulting in its continuing decline. While there are quite many things I can prove, there are quite many things that must remain open. Tragically you are not able to tell the difference. If you are referring to god or a supernatural power, no it hasn't. Suppose you turn on your television one day and it says you're wrong and I'm right. What happens then?
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Post by goz on Jun 5, 2018 23:47:00 GMT
If you are referring to god or a supernatural power, no it hasn't. Suppose you turn on your television one day and it says you're wrong and I'm right. What happens then? Best non sequitur yet! How about you show this proof you were talking about?
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 5, 2018 23:53:42 GMT
Suppose you turn on your television one day and it says you're wrong and I'm right. What happens then? Best non sequitur yet! How about you show this proof you were talking about? It's the topic, always has been. You have proved that without the television you would not know what is going on.
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Post by goz on Jun 6, 2018 0:01:19 GMT
ch Best non sequitur yet! How about you show this proof you were talking about? It's the topic, always has been. You have proved that without the television you would not know what is going on. Not when you and I have never discussed television on this thread and in fact were discussing the topics of who and how the world was created, and my alleged debating techniques, or lack thereof in your opinion.
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Post by progressiveelement on Jun 6, 2018 2:11:38 GMT
What are your superpowers if any? Able to watch bad movies all the way after a third try. I still have yet to finish The Video Dead, Creating Rem Lazar, and The Shape of Things to Come.
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Post by phludowin on Jun 6, 2018 8:28:26 GMT
If you are referring to god or a supernatural power, no it hasn't. Suppose you turn on your television one day and it says you're wrong and I'm right. What happens then? It already has happened. Creationist propaganda movies like "Expelled - no intelligence allowed" can be watched on TV. But the existence of god or any other supernatural power remains unproven and unlikely. So what happened after a movie on TV agreed with you? Answer: Nothing.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 6, 2018 10:07:37 GMT
The necessity of an agency not found in nature to assemble the first life on Earth has been proved with as much or more certainty as any proof, positive or negative, including gravity. And yet you still cannot provide any positive evidence when asked lol Most if not all of the 'proof by necessity' for the deliberate supernatural can equally be applied to a proposed wholly natural cause, where Nature moves in mysterious ways, while one cannot show that a permanent level of reality cannot exist away from the competing claims of the magical. Arlon once debated in a schools debating society. Or something. Now Arlon just sounds a grump, the sort of person who complains about young people and their music in newspaper letter pages. We can certainly tell the difference when you offer up nothing to substantiate your many theories and opinions. Again.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 6, 2018 15:39:15 GMT
You haven't weighed in on the topic yet. What has supreme importance in your life? If it is your spouse then what is the next most important thing? We already know a spouse is usually near the top if not the top. How important is television to you? How many hours do you spend watching it? How important are the other four "gods" in the OP? Is austerity or serenity a foremost concern? I'm sorry if you find my manner displeasing. My primary concern in life is the truth and digging up hidden necessary truths. Things get lost in translation Arlon, just like you do. The bible is a prime example.
I don't watch much t.v. at all. Hardly ever! Watching t.v. or surfing the internet, could be pretty much considered the same thing in terms of information about what is going on.
The only God is ones being and the rest is just all compartmentalized crap. The only truth you need dig up is your own, instead of concerning yourself with everyone elses.
Are you saying this discussion board is a bad thing? Not that I will, but if I were going to get you present for your birthday where should I look?
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Post by drystyx on Jun 6, 2018 15:58:24 GMT
You're on the right track, but got to lump movies, internet, and smart phone junk in the same category, only they're higher on the list. At least TV is generally considered to be just some pink noise in the background while people clean, snack, and work. The others are actually on pedestals of worship. Funny how those who worship movies in theaters or on DVD will often snort at those who just watch TV instead.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 6, 2018 16:00:41 GMT
Suppose you turn on your television one day and it says you're wrong and I'm right. What happens then? It already has happened. Creationist propaganda movies like "Expelled - no intelligence allowed" can be watched on TV. But the existence of god or any other supernatural power remains unproven and unlikely. So what happened after a movie on TV agreed with you? Answer: Nothing. I'm not sure who or what you are taking seriously, but if it's yourself, maybe you should double check.
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Post by general313 on Jun 6, 2018 19:02:33 GMT
I try not to worship anything (it tends to lead to addictive behavior). Anyway, one difference between television and God is that one is known to exist. Worship doesn't have to mean being obsequious. It means a bit more than "follow" but it doesn't have to go to "obsequious." It also can mean simply the "center" of your life, perhaps much like your "trade" or whatever sign would be on your shop door. I'm surprised no one has said that their spouse is their god. A typical order is spouse, god, country where the interests of the spouse come first, then the interests of god, then the interests of country. It's true that I, like many people, am very devoted to my wife; my number one obsession. I'm glad that you rank spouse above god for the typical order. It when god comes first that I get pretty worried.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 6, 2018 23:48:57 GMT
Are you saying this discussion board is a bad thing?
Not that I will, but if I were going to get you present for your birthday where should I look? You are implying t.v. is a bad thing not me. It's your point. Please don't be so conceited to assume others think the same as you, because of what you believe. I could spend more time in front of the t.v. if not for the internet, but since I have never really enjoyed contemporary t.v. and don't care for sport, it would just be used for watching movies then on dvd, like I do now whenever I feel like it.
You can get ideas for gifts from many media sources, so what is your point? This Oh-come-on-guys-everyone-has-a-god-what's-yours? thing is not going well. Atheists are not having as much fun with it as I hoped. progressiveelement was a pretty good sport though. Anyway I'm going to save you the trouble of putting me on ignore and try to think of something else. Should it have anything to do with religion? TV is not a bad thing. Money is not a bad thing. Beauty is not a bad thing. Military prowess is not a bad thing. Science is not a bad thing. When people elevate money to being their supreme guiding interest, that might go terribly wrong. If any of those things become supreme, then things might go terribly wrong.
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Post by goz on Jun 6, 2018 23:53:31 GMT
You are implying t.v. is a bad thing not me. It's your point. Please don't be so conceited to assume others think the same as you, because of what you believe. I could spend more time in front of the t.v. if not for the internet, but since I have never really enjoyed contemporary t.v. and don't care for sport, it would just be used for watching movies then on dvd, like I do now whenever I feel like it.
You can get ideas for gifts from many media sources, so what is your point? This Oh-come-on-guys-everyone-has-a-god-what's-yours? thing is not going well. Atheists are not having as much fun with it as I hoped. progressiveelement was a pretty good sport though. Anyway I'm going to save you the trouble of putting me on ignore and try to think of something else. Should it have anything to do with religion? TV is not a bad thing. Money is not a bad thing. Beauty is not a bad thing. Military prowess is not a bad thing. Science is not a bad thing. When people elevate money to being their supreme guiding interest, that might go terribly wrong. If any of those things become supreme, then things might go terribly wrong. I am pleased you took your meds.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 6, 2018 23:56:04 GMT
Worship doesn't have to mean being obsequious. It means a bit more than "follow" but it doesn't have to go to "obsequious." It also can mean simply the "center" of your life, perhaps much like your "trade" or whatever sign would be on your shop door. I'm surprised no one has said that their spouse is their god. A typical order is spouse, god, country where the interests of the spouse come first, then the interests of god, then the interests of country. It's true that I, like many people, am very devoted to my wife; my number one obsession. I'm glad that you rank spouse above god for the typical order. It when god comes first that I get pretty worried. That rule that a person doesn't have to testify against a spouse is smart since country usually is below the spouse. Granting that your spouse would never murder anyone, what should a person whose spouse does commit murder do? Suppose they would not be guilty in the eyes of the law? God? Suppose they would be guilty in the eyes of the law? God?
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Post by goz on Jun 7, 2018 0:03:10 GMT
It's true that I, like many people, am very devoted to my wife; my number one obsession. I'm glad that you rank spouse above god for the typical order. It when god comes first that I get pretty worried. That rule that a person doesn't have to testify against a spouse is smart since country usually is below the spouse. Granting that your spouse would never murder anyone, what should a person whose spouse does commit murder do? Suppose they would not be guilty in the eyes of the law? God? Suppose they would be guilty in the eyes of the law? God? It's OK if they are Catholic as the priests won't report them owing to confession laws. They are home free like the paedos!
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 7, 2018 0:04:22 GMT
This Oh-come-on-guys-everyone-has-a-god-what's-yours? thing is not going well. Atheists are not having as much fun with it as I hoped. progressiveelement was a pretty good sport though. Anyway I'm going to save you the trouble of putting me on ignore and try to think of something else. Should it have anything to do with religion? TV is not a bad thing. Money is not a bad thing. Beauty is not a bad thing. Military prowess is not a bad thing. Science is not a bad thing. When people elevate money to being their supreme guiding interest, that might go terribly wrong. If any of those things become supreme, then things might go terribly wrong. I am pleased you took your meds. I mentioned that progressiveelement was a good sport, did I leave anyone out?
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Post by gadreel on Jun 7, 2018 0:05:33 GMT
I own over 1000 blu-rays and DVD's, but I never offer a sacrifice, make your own conclusion.
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Post by goz on Jun 7, 2018 0:08:53 GMT
This Oh-come-on-guys-everyone-has-a-god-what's-yours? thing is not going well. Atheists are not having as much fun with it as I hoped. progressiveelement was a pretty good sport though. Anyway I'm going to save you the trouble of putting me on ignore and try to think of something else. Should it have anything to do with religion? TV is not a bad thing. Money is not a bad thing. Beauty is not a bad thing. Military prowess is not a bad thing. Science is not a bad thing. When people elevate money to being their supreme guiding interest, that might go terribly wrong. If any of those things become supreme, then things might go terribly wrong. What's got to do with religion, t.v.? When religion becomes or feels supreme, do things go terribly wrong?
I am neither atheist, agnostic, religious, or any confining or limiting label to the source of what God is supposed to, or not supposed to represent. Well, aren't YOU speshul?
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 7, 2018 0:17:12 GMT
This Oh-come-on-guys-everyone-has-a-god-what's-yours? thing is not going well. Atheists are not having as much fun with it as I hoped. progressiveelement was a pretty good sport though. Anyway I'm going to save you the trouble of putting me on ignore and try to think of something else. Should it have anything to do with religion? TV is not a bad thing. Money is not a bad thing. Beauty is not a bad thing. Military prowess is not a bad thing. Science is not a bad thing. When people elevate money to being their supreme guiding interest, that might go terribly wrong. If any of those things become supreme, then things might go terribly wrong. What's got to do with religion, t.v.? When religion becomes or feels supreme, do things go terribly wrong?
I am neither atheist, agnostic, religious, or any confining or limiting label to the source of what God is supposed to, or not supposed to represent. I won't lie, people can and do take religion too far the wrong way. That is not usually the problem though. It is usually the state pretending to act in the name of religion that can do the serious damage. I dislike being put in categories myself, but that doesn't stop me from saying what I think about all sorts of things.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 7, 2018 0:21:24 GMT
I own over 1000 blu-rays and DVD's, but I never offer a sacrifice, make your own conclusion. Two things. Sacrifice is way over two thousand years out of date in religion. How do we know you wouldn't sacrifice if you got the time?
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