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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 2, 2018 18:24:57 GMT
That's why Thanos isn't a great villain. Villains aren't supposed to stay true to their word. Villains have no code of honor and can't be trusted to keep their word. That's why they're villains. Thanos: 1. Shows remorse for killing. 2. Shows mercy. 3. Stays true to his word. That is not a great villain. Great villains don't do all those things. 2. He wasn't completely merciful. He was merciful to an enemy (Tony Stark). Great villains don't show mercy to their enemies. 3. He spared Stark because of two reasons: He was given the time Stone And he could've killed Tony Stark after Doctor Strange gave him the Time Stone. Or does MCU Dictator Kevin Feige think that all villains keep their word and no villain has ever gone back on their word and did a double-cross? Zod had respect for Jor-El. But that didn't stop Zod from killing Jor-El. He did seem like he had a code of honor That's why Thanos falls short of being a great villain. Villains aren't supposed to have a code of honor. That's why their villains. Because they always go back on their word and always double-cross.
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Post by hobowar on Jul 2, 2018 18:27:40 GMT
I will find him. I will find him. I will find him. I will find him. I WILL FIND HIM!!!!!! I think a few omelette jokes may have made that garbage fire of a movie a lot more bearable, and may have took my mind off Superman killing everyone. Agreed, I was surprised by how one-note Zod was in that film. They got a great actor like Michael Shannon and gave him nothing to do but shout and scowl. I agree, although I'd say Shannon gave the best performance in Batman v Superman.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 2, 2018 18:41:59 GMT
2. He wasn't completely merciful. He was merciful to an enemy (Tony Stark). Great villains don't show mercy to their enemies. 3. He spared Stark because of two reasons: He was given the time Stone And he could've killed Tony Stark after Doctor Strange gave him the Time Stone. Or does MCU Dictator Kevin Feige think that all villains keep their word and no villain has ever gone back on their word and did a double-cross? Zod had respect for Jor-El. But that didn't stop Zod from killing Jor-El. He did seem like he had a code of honor That's why Thanos falls short of being a great villain. Villains aren't supposed to have a code of honor. That's why their villains. Because they always go back on their word and always double-cross. Having Villains act a certain way because they are villains is the easiest way to make cookie cuter villains. I always like the villains that are the heroes of their own story (one caveat is the villains that are so crazy they don't know what the hell they are doing). Zod (moS), Magneto, Loki, Red Skull (MCU), Thanos (MCU), Ras (BB), etc think they are fighting for what's right. They do villainous actions, but serving what they think is the greater good.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 2, 2018 18:50:15 GMT
He was merciful to an enemy (Tony Stark). Great villains don't show mercy to their enemies. And he could've killed Tony Stark after Doctor Strange gave him the Time Stone. Or does MCU Dictator Kevin Feige think that all villains keep their word and no villain has ever gone back on their word and did a double-cross? Zod had respect for Jor-El. But that didn't stop Zod from killing Jor-El. That's why Thanos falls short of being a great villain. Villains aren't supposed to have a code of honor. That's why their villains. Because they always go back on their word and always double-cross. I always like the villains that are the heroes of their own story (one caveat is the villains that are so crazy they don't know what the hell they are doing). Zod (moS), Magneto, Loki, Red Skull (MCU), Thanos (MCU), Ras (BB), etc think they are fighting for what's right. They do villainous actions, but serving what they think is the greater good. Most villains believe they're fighting for what's right and think they're doing the greater good. Heck, Hitler believed he was right and believed what he was doing was for the greater good. That's why villains don't show remorse. Because they believe they're right so why would they be remorseful about doing what they believe is right? And great villains don't show mercy to their enemies like Thanos showed mercy to Tony Stark or keep their word. Villains always go back on their word and always double-cross.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 2, 2018 18:59:16 GMT
I always like the villains that are the heroes of their own story (one caveat is the villains that are so crazy they don't know what the hell they are doing). Zod (moS), Magneto, Loki, Red Skull (MCU), Thanos (MCU), Ras (BB), etc think they are fighting for what's right. They do villainous actions, but serving what they think is the greater good. Most villains believe they're fighting for what's right and think they're doing the greater good. Heck, Hitler believed he was right and believed what he was doing was for the greater good. That's why villains don't show remorse. Because they believe they're right so why would they be remorseful about doing what they believe is right? And great villains don't show mercy to their enemies like Thanos showed mercy to Tony Stark or keep their word. Villains always go back on their word and always double-cross. They would be remorseful because even though they are doing what they think is right they have to do evil to get there. Almost no good villains are in love with evil. Evil deeds take a toll on people even if they are the villains of the story. And having villains ALWAYS do anything makes them predictable and boring. It's like what Eddie Dean says in The Dark Tower books. Shultz should make Lucy allow Charlie Brown to kick the football every once in a while. It would really fuck with Charlie's head. Her pulling it away every time Charlie Brown knows what's coming. If Lucy would allow him to kick it once or twice out of 50 times it's more of a psychological torture.
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Post by scabab on Jul 2, 2018 19:26:03 GMT
Great villains have no mercy and no remorse. Not always, that fits Doomsday and he was a poor villain. Loki is considered one of the best villains in superhero movies and yet he wouldn't let Thanos hurt his brother because he does still care about him. He also cared for his mother. Because there's different sides to him is why he's so liked. What about Doctor Octopus in Spider-man 2? He's a good villain and yet he wasn't merciless, he even gave his own life to make up for what he'd done to save the city. You can apply that to the DCEU as well. Wonder Woman hid away for decades and stopped helping people prior to Batman vs Superman. Batman tried to kill Superman who had repeatedly been shown on the news saving peoples lives. When he showed up infront of Batman and was like "Hey Bruce you gotta listen to me", Batman just attacks him completely unprovoked. He also kills and maims people. Superman is probably the best of the lot but even then was part responsible for many lives and huge devastation to the city.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 2, 2018 19:32:56 GMT
Bane was a crap villain. Seriously. Zod was a better villain than Bane. I'd say Thanos ranks 2nd behind Loki... but only because Loki has had more movies to develop.
Vulture, Killmonger and Fassbender Magneto were all great villains but they didn't make as big an impact as Thanos and Loki did to mainstream pop culture. Surprisingly, Bane did actually make an impact in pop culture... still doesn't make up for being a crap villain though.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 2, 2018 20:01:21 GMT
Bane was a crap villain. Seriously. Zod was a better villain than Bane. I'd say Thanos ranks 2nd behind Loki... but only because Loki has had more movies to develop. Vulture, Killmonger and Fassbender Magneto were all great villains but they didn't make as big an impact as Thanos and Loki did to mainstream pop culture. Surprisingly, Bane did actually make an impact in pop culture... still doesn't make up for being a crap villain though. I always hated that Aaron Eckhart's Two-Face got outshone by Heath Ledger's Joker.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 20:08:34 GMT
Zod sucked asshole juice. Superman and Johnathan Kent were better villains. Zod was a real threat and had great dialogue which involved no omelette jokes to lower his imposing authority. That makes him better than every MCU villain except Loki. Honestly Thanos came off as a bigger threat than Zod. Also Thanos is definitely a more layered character compared to the one note, cheesy, over acted performance by Zod from MOS. Trust me I know over acting when I see it. Pretty much 90% of old Hindi movies had it.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 2, 2018 20:15:16 GMT
Bane was a crap villain. Seriously. Zod was a better villain than Bane. I'd say Thanos ranks 2nd behind Loki... but only because Loki has had more movies to develop. Vulture, Killmonger and Fassbender Magneto were all great villains but they didn't make as big an impact as Thanos and Loki did to mainstream pop culture. Surprisingly, Bane did actually make an impact in pop culture... still doesn't make up for being a crap villain though. I always hated that Aaron Eckhart's Two-Face got outshone by Heath Ledger's Joker. Two-face and Scarecrow were wasted in the TDK movies if you ask me. They could have been great villains but they just didn't get as much focus and screentime. I feel the same way about Klaue and Ebony Maw.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 2, 2018 20:23:26 GMT
I always hated that Aaron Eckhart's Two-Face got outshone by Heath Ledger's Joker. Two-face and Scarecrow were wasted in the TDK movies if you ask me. They could have been great villains but they just didn't get as much focus and screentime. I feel the same way about Klaue and Ebony Maw. What we got for Harvey Dent/Two Face in TDK was magical I thought. No one brings him up though because of Heath's Joker.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 2, 2018 20:29:09 GMT
Two-face and Scarecrow were wasted in the TDK movies if you ask me. They could have been great villains but they just didn't get as much focus and screentime. I feel the same way about Klaue and Ebony Maw. What we got for Harvey Dent/Two Face in TDK was magical I thought. No one brings him up though because of Heath's Joker. Oh I agree. Just wish we got a proper movie with him as the main villain instead of playing a last minute 2nd fiddle.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 2, 2018 21:29:00 GMT
Zod was a real threat and had great dialogue which involved no omelette jokes to lower his imposing authority. That makes him better than every MCU villain except Loki. I will find him. I will find him. I will find him. I will find him. I WILL FIND HIM!!!!!! I think a few omelette jokes may have made that garbage fire of a movie a lot more bearable, and may have took my mind off Superman killing everyone. A cheesy omellete joke automatically renders a villain as non threatening.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 2, 2018 21:48:02 GMT
Zod was a real threat and had great dialogue which involved no omelette jokes to lower his imposing authority. That makes him better than every MCU villain except Loki. Honestly Thanos came off a a a bigger threat than Zod. Also Thanos is definitely a more layered character compared to the one note, cheesy, over acted performance by Zod from MOS. Trust me I know over acting when I see it. Pretty much 90% of old Hindi movies had it. Theyr both threats, and yea zod overreacted a few scenes.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 2, 2018 22:30:56 GMT
2. He wasn't completely merciful. He was merciful to an enemy (Tony Stark). Great villains don't show mercy to their enemies. 3. He spared Stark because of two reasons: He was given the time Stone And he could've killed Tony Stark after Doctor Strange gave him the Time Stone. Or does MCU Dictator Kevin Feige think that all villains keep their word and no villain has ever gone back on their word and did a double-cross? Zod had respect for Jor-El. But that didn't stop Zod from killing Jor-El. He did seem like he had a code of honor That's why Thanos falls short of being a great villain. Villains aren't supposed to have a code of honor. That's why their villains. Because they always go back on their word and always double-cross. Not true. You basically want a by the book villain instead of branching it out. Thanos was a nice change of pace for a big bad considering previous cbm villains just wanted to kill and destroy, because fuck it, why not? Hela, Steppenwolf, Doomsday, Surtur and the dark elf dude from Thor 2 were basically that. I didn't want that for Thanos. I'm glad they went with a different route with Thanos. Zod and Thanos worked well as villains. I cried for them. You know who I didn't cry for? Steppenwolf.
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Post by hobowar on Jul 3, 2018 0:27:39 GMT
I will find him. I will find him. I will find him. I will find him. I WILL FIND HIM!!!!!! I think a few omelette jokes may have made that garbage fire of a movie a lot more bearable, and may have took my mind off Superman killing everyone. A cheesy omellete joke automatically renders a villain as non threatening. What do you think "threatening" means?
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