So now a director has to be a woman if characters are female?
So if the characters are black the director must be black?
I guess we dont need to worry about white males since they wont show them much in the future.
It is all about socio-political agendas. Disney is the most direct and upfront with its cultural Marxism.
I know people will keep saying it is about money-but if that was true, they would seek to create content specifically for "Red states" at the same time they seek to make content for Asia (or so they claim). Then they could double their profits. But they won't do that because they do not want to promote traditional anything.
This is just part of the Disney owners' plan to make a future where someone like Walt Disney cannot succeed.
Do you really think Black Panther would have come out the same if the director was white? Do you really think a person not of that culture would research that culture to that extent? Or would they just go the bare minimum? Do you think a male director would give Wonder Woman her due? Or do you think a male director would Michael Bay/Zack Snyder the movie full of upskirt and ass shots?
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Last Edit: Jun 11, 2018 10:09:49 GMT by Power Ranger
Well, if NEW GODS doesn't pan out, perhaps Ava DuVernay will still find work.
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In November of last year, Kevin Feige revealed that Marvel has plans for the next 20 films after next year's Avengers 4. Speaking at the Producer's Guild's Produced By conference, Feige was asked whether or not "the next 20 Marvel films should be directed by women." According to Variety, his response was simple; "I cannot promise that all 20 Marvel movies will have female directors," Feige noted, "but a heck of a lot of them will."
Feige also said that after the SMH "8 Years Later" gaffe that MCU had a timeline and would release that timeline. But it's been almost a year and still no timeline. Feige is a liar with no credibility at all. You can't believe anything that Feige says.
MCU Timeline.DC-Fan is a liar with no credibility at all. You can't believe anything that DC-Fan says. Hee hee hee...
Do you really think Black Panther would have come out the same if the director was white? Do you really think a person not of that culture would research that culture to that extent? Or would they just go the bare minimum? Do you think a male director would give Wonder Woman her due? Or do you think a male director would Michael Bay/Zack Snyder the movie full of upskirt and ass shots?
I don’t know where to begin with this. There are numerous fallacies here so how many should I explore? I’ll start with one. I’ve seen films made by men where they respect women. Maybe even moreso than Wonder Woman, if such a thing could be measured.
There are other directors than Michael Bay and Zach Snyder you know. I’m sure one of them could have made a WW film better than we got.
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Do you really think Black Panther would have come out the same if the director was white? Do you really think a person not of that culture would research that culture to that extent? Or would they just go the bare minimum? Do you think a male director would give Wonder Woman her due? Or do you think a male director would Michael Bay/Zack Snyder the movie full of upskirt and ass shots?
I don't think it's fair to say that only a black director would take the time and effort to research about African culture when making a movie that includes African culture. Nor is it fair to insinuate that a director would have included a bunch of upskirts and ass shots just because he's male.
The world isn't fair. Also, I said that we'd get the bare minimum. That director wouldn't go to the extent as the director closer to that culture.
I mean, we got Bryan Singer making Mystique naked because it doesn't make sense that she changes her clothing when we have seen her making clothing to become the other person. Her character is a walking upskirt/ass shot. And this is Bryan Singer.
I don’t know where to begin with this. There are numerous fallacies here so how many should I explore? I’ll start with one. I’ve seen films made by men where they respect women. Maybe even moreso than Wonder Woman, if such a thing could be measured.
There are other directors than Michael Bay and Zach Snyder you know. I’m sure one of them could have made a WW film better than we got.
No, they would have just had more and/or bigger action. I mean, compare the Wonder Woman scenes in Justice League/BvS to what we got in Wonder Woman.
Look I’ll grant you that a knowledge of a subject is an important component of writing and directing but it should not be the highest priority.
Ryan Coogler is not a scholar on African culture. And there are Asian, white and others who know more than him about African culture.
It felt appropriate to choose him, and he was qualified. But if every film with a black dominated cast is to have a black director then understand it goes both ways. And suddenly you’ve created more division than you intended.
Can a black guy direct a film about a white family in a white town? Yes. (So long as he isn’t fixated by race like Spike Lee). One of him is enough.
Last Edit: Jun 11, 2018 16:21:35 GMT by Power Ranger
I don’t know where to begin with this. There are numerous fallacies here so how many should I explore? I’ll start with one. I’ve seen films made by men where they respect women. Maybe even moreso than Wonder Woman, if such a thing could be measured.
There are other directors than Michael Bay and Zach Snyder you know. I’m sure one of them could have made a WW film better than we got.
No, they would have just had more and/or bigger action. I mean, compare the Wonder Woman scenes in Justice League/BvS to what we got in Wonder Woman.
You don’t know that. Do you doubt that there are books and indeed films created about women that were written by men? Do you think they are all sexy stories?
I’ll grant you that WW is rare in that it’s a SUPER HERO film directed by a woman which has substance (I guess!?) but it wasn’t simply due to the director’s gender. Would Ridley Scott or George Miller make WW a T&A show?
Look I’ll grant you that a knowledge of a subject is an important component of writing and directing but it should not be the highest priority.
Ryan Coogler is not a scholar on African culture. And there are Asian, white and others who know more than him about African culture.
It felt appropriate to choose him, and he was qualified. But if every film with a black dominated cast is to have a black director then understand it goes both ways. And suddenly you’ve created more division than you intended.
Can a black guy direct a film about a white family in a white town? Yes. (So long as he isn’t fixated by race like Soike Lee). One of him is enough.
It's not about being a scholar, but taking a reverence to that culture. Have you ever watched reactions of people that saw Black Panther? Have you ever noticed the difference in how people took that movie in? You mostly see whites analyze the movie, while you get feels from blacks. We felt that movie to the core. Look at your 1st sentence. "Knowledge of the subject." That's not the point of this.
It depends on the type of movie that white family is in. For the most part, white characters are blank slates that can be any race unless their race plays a part in the story. You don't get that from other races because their culture always plays a part in the story. Unless that character was written as a blank slate. Look at white comic book characters that was switched to a different race (ex. Perry White).
I'm fine with this, as long as it doesn't mean only women can direct movies with female leads, only a black person can direct movies with black leads, etc. By all means give equal opportunity to minority directors but let's not continue down this well intentioned road of self-segregation for every possible demographic.
I don't think it's fair to say that only a black director would take the time and effort to research about African culture when making a movie that includes African culture. Nor is it fair to insinuate that a director would have included a bunch of upskirts and ass shots just because he's male.
The world isn't fair. Also, I said that we'd get the bare minimum. That director wouldn't go to the extent as the director closer to that culture.
I mean, we got Bryan Singer making Mystique naked because it doesn't make sense that she changes her clothing when we have seen her making clothing to become the other person. Her character is a walking upskirt/ass shot. And this is Bryan Singer.
Saying that any other director other than a black one would have given us the bare minimum when it comes to researching African culture is actually kinda racist, especially when Ryan Coogler's culture isn't even African to begin with. And did you see Kenneth Branagh sexually objectify Lady Sif? Did James Gunn have a whole bunch of upskirt/ass shots of Gamora? Simply being a male director doesn't guarantee upskirt/ass shots.
No, they would have just had more and/or bigger action. I mean, compare the Wonder Woman scenes in Justice League/BvS to what we got in Wonder Woman.
You don’t know that. Do you doubt that there are books and indeed films created about women that were written by men? Do you think they are all sexy stories?
I’ll grant you that WW is rare in that it’s a SUPER HERO film directed by a woman which has substance (I guess!?) but it wasn’t simply due to the director’s gender. Would Ridley Scott or George Miller make WW a T&A show?
Have you seen movies made by Michael Bay and Zack Snyder? Women are objects in Michael Bay movies and... Sucker Punch. Snyder tried to add substance, but that was all T&A.
Sure. Or gender neutral. They'd most likely just make them hollow or almost a Mary Sue not to get in trouble about the depiction. Rey being an example of that. Hmm, I think that might be the heart of why they execs think they should match directors to the movie they are making, right there.
The world isn't fair. Also, I said that we'd get the bare minimum. That director wouldn't go to the extent as the director closer to that culture.
I mean, we got Bryan Singer making Mystique naked because it doesn't make sense that she changes her clothing when we have seen her making clothing to become the other person. Her character is a walking upskirt/ass shot. And this is Bryan Singer.
Saying that any other director other than a black one would have given us the bare minimum when it comes to researching African culture is actually kinda racist, especially when Ryan Coogler's culture isn't even African to begin with. And did you see Kenneth Branagh sexually objectify Lady Sif? Did James Gunn have a whole bunch of upskirt/ass shots of Gamora? Simply being a male director doesn't guarantee upskirt/ass shots.
Not really. You just don't want to think that way about it. And, like I said to Power Ranger, it's about the reverence to the subject. Do you really think we would have gotten the visuals, art design, costumes, languages, etc. that we got in Black Panther if it was a white director?
Saying that any other director other than a black one would have given us the bare minimum when it comes to researching African culture is actually kinda racist, especially when Ryan Coogler's culture isn't even African to begin with. And did you see Kenneth Branagh sexually objectify Lady Sif? Did James Gunn have a whole bunch of upskirt/ass shots of Gamora? Simply being a male director doesn't guarantee upskirt/ass shots.
Not really. You just don't want to think that way about it. And, like I said to Power Ranger, it's about the reverence to the subject. Do you really think we would have gotten the visuals, art design, costumes, languages, etc. that we got in Black Panther if it was a white director?
Lady Sif is barely in the movie.
I mean...
Yes, it's possible to have gotten the same reverence (if not better) and level of detail in Black Panther as long as you hired the right director... regardless of their skin color. For you to imply that only a black person can achieve this level of excellence with BP is racist. And again I emphasize: Ryan Coogler does not come from African culture. He has African ancestry (so do a lot of people) but his culture is American, not African.
As for that pic of Gamora, what is that supposed to show? Is that supposed to show that Gunn was sexualizing Gamora? Because Starlord and Drax show way more skin than that. I have no disagreement with you on Snyder's sexualism. He does sexualize his female characters.
Yes, you would have gotten the same reverence (if not better) in Black Panther as long as you hired the right director... regardless of their skin color. For you to imply that only a black person can achieve this level of excellence with BP is racist. And again I emphasize: Ryan Coogler does not come from African culture. He has African ancestry (so do a lot of people) but his culture is American, not African.
As for that pic of Gamora, what is that supposed to show? Is that supposed to show that Gunn was sexualizing Gamora? Because Starlord and Drax show way more skin than that. I have no disagreement with you on Snyder's sexualism. He does sexualize his female characters.
Yeah, I really do think that a white director wouldn't have the same reverence for the Black Panther movie that a black director would. Do you really think we would have gotten the River Tribe Elder without them second guessing or taking him out entirely out of fear?
Yes, you would have gotten the same reverence (if not better) in Black Panther as long as you hired the right director... regardless of their skin color. For you to imply that only a black person can achieve this level of excellence with BP is racist. And again I emphasize: Ryan Coogler does not come from African culture. He has African ancestry (so do a lot of people) but his culture is American, not African.
As for that pic of Gamora, what is that supposed to show? Is that supposed to show that Gunn was sexualizing Gamora? Because Starlord and Drax show way more skin than that. I have no disagreement with you on Snyder's sexualism. He does sexualize his female characters.
Yeah, I really do think that a white director wouldn't have the same reverence for the Black Panther movie that a black director would. Do you really think we would have gotten the River Tribe Elder without them second guessing or taking him out entirely out of fear?
Then we will need to disagree. You seem to have some kind of bias based on skin color... I don't share that bias. I think any director, as long as they're talented enough and passionate enough about their movie, has a potential for giving us the same level of detail for BP. Don't get me wrong, I think Coogler did an awesome job with BP and that he was obviously a great fit for it, but he didn't magically give us "a feeling for authentic African culture" better than others just because he's black. He still needed to put in effort to learn about it. Do you think a 7th generation black American is somehow more in touch with African culture than a 7th generation white African?
Well I for one welcome female directors of MCU movies!
I do too along with more female lead movies but I feel sorry for the parents of threatened males 'cause we know if just one or two of these movies are not just directed by female Directors but are also female superhero movies like Spider Woman or She Hulk they are going to have to be the ones to wash the brain stains out of their underwear 'cause there are going to be massive tantrums over it.
Well I for one welcome female directors of MCU movies!
I do too along with more female lead movies but I feel sorry for the parents of threatened males 'cause we know if just one or two of these movies are not just directed by female Directors but are also female superhero movies like Spider Woman or She Hulk they are going to have to be the ones to wash the brain stains out of their underwear 'cause there are going to be massive tantrums over it.
I think your premise is flawed. Men don't mind female-led movies. Most men didn't complain about movies like Tomb-Raider, Salt, Elektra, Catwoman, Chatlie's Angels, etc.
I mean, there were complaints about the quality of these movies but very few were specifically because they had female leads.
I think what triggers complaints among men is when the movie specifically tries to make some kind feminist point.