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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 4:48:01 GMT
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jun 10, 2018 4:49:05 GMT
Because I’m a little child.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 4:56:36 GMT
Just for the sake of complete transparency: I voted for the ones about the HELMET™ and the THANOSCOPTER™
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Post by Nalkarj on Jun 10, 2018 4:58:22 GMT
OK, I chose…  Seriously, though, I think many of them are lots of fun—with the caveat that I don’t like shared universes or Joss Whedon. Hm. That would not seem to make me well-disposed to these movies, but many of them are fun. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 10, 2018 9:24:52 GMT
They're entertaining to say the least. Which in all honesty is the important thing with these type of films.
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Post by hobowar on Jun 10, 2018 9:49:43 GMT
Because DC and Zack Snyder are pure garbage. Joss Whedon could have saved them if they had only pushed JL back and got rid of everything Snyder, but they blew it.
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Post by thenewnexus on Jun 10, 2018 10:18:01 GMT
Besides Winter Soldier and Black Panther they are all forgettable. The best mcu stuff comes from Netflix. The only good parts of Thor are Darcy but Shitnerok got rid of her.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 10, 2018 13:15:36 GMT
Because they are good comic book movies. They are what I've been saying the X-men movies should have been since the 1st one. Since we've become jaded by the comic book movies of the campy 80s and the dark 90s, people listened to Singer when he said that you can't make movies like the comics. The MCU proved that wrong.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 10, 2018 15:58:37 GMT
Besides Winter Soldier and Black Panther they are all forgettable. The best mcu stuff comes from Netflix. The only good parts of Thor are Darcy but Shitnerok got rid of her. Clearly not the case as most have been monster hits, have sold lots of merchandise, and air frequently on TV - in other words definitely not forgettable by any stretch in the public's eye. "The best mcu stuff comes from Netflix" - Most of the shows lose steam once they get past episode 8-9 in a season and aren't able to recapture the level quality from earlier, except in Iron Fist's case as it started off weak and got better towards the very end. Why was Darcy the "only good parts" of the Thor movies? I want a legit answer to this one, not "she is actually interesting" which opens another question - WHY is she interesting? "Shitnerok" - again, if you crave more "mature" content and proclaim yourself to be a "mature" film viewer then why continue to act so...Immature? |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 10, 2018 16:13:01 GMT
...to piss most of the posters on this board off? Hee hee hee...
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Post by James on Jun 10, 2018 17:39:02 GMT
I'm a fan of superheros, both on the Marvel and DC sides, since I was a young one, so I watch them for the interpretations of the characters onscreen and the action. Plus, they're so much fun to discuss about.
As for the MCU in particular, it's such a grand-scale franchise with many installments and universes colliding with each other. There's always some kind of treat when a movie from the Marvel Cinematic Universe would come out.
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Post by Peter B. Parker on Jun 10, 2018 18:19:56 GMT
Here's why:
- They're REALLY good
- If I didn't, what would I discuss with DC-Fan?
- I keep hoping to see HAWKEYE'S HELMET
- I keep hoping to see the THANOSCOPTER
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 18:42:24 GMT
Because they are good comic book movies. They are what I've been saying the X-men movies should have been since the 1st one. Since we've become jaded by the comic book movies of the campy 80s and the dark 90s, people listened to Singer when he said that you can't make movies like the comics. The MCU proved that wrong. I know criticizing the X Men movies is your main schtick so I'm asking against my better judgment... But how exactly is Iron Man more comic booky than the first two X Men movies? (Or the Spiderman movies?) |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 10, 2018 19:15:06 GMT
Because they are good comic book movies. They are what I've been saying the X-men movies should have been since the 1st one. Since we've become jaded by the comic book movies of the campy 80s and the dark 90s, people listened to Singer when he said that you can't make movies like the comics. The MCU proved that wrong. I know criticizing the X Men movies is your main schtick so I'm asking against my better judgment... But how exactly is Iron Man more comic booky than the first two X Men movies? (Or the Spiderman movies?) No, Spider-man was the doorway. But the Raimi Spider-man movies has that campy/corny-ness to them.
How is Iron Man more comic booky than the X-men movies? If they made Iron Man, I don't think they would have gone as far as Favreau did. Yeah, they pulled back when it came to The Mandarin, but think about all the pull backs we got from the X-men movies.
And I wasn't really criticizing the X-men movies, but the people around it and their views on it and also giving a time frame. Back in those days we wanted CBMs to be closer to the comics, but at the same time, not overly corny/campy. People felt that the movies would have to be corny and campy for them to be like the comics and that you had to change them to be in live action or they would come out like Batman Forever/ & Robin and the like. Nobody thought that if you made the movies in earnest and had the characters believe in what they were doing that it would come out great. When the characters don't think that what they were doing (the costumes and such) was stupid then they audience won't. People behind the movies at that time, had audiences believing that you had to be moody and wearing dark leather for the movies to work. Either that or go Raimi (which was just his style anyway). The MCU is that middle ground between those worlds and it works and people respond to it.
I'd really like to see a DC movie made like an MCU movie. The current DC movies are trying to be so anti-MCU that they go against their own characters.
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Post by ShrunkenHeadonKnightBus on Jun 10, 2018 20:38:29 GMT
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Post by thenewnexus on Jun 10, 2018 20:46:46 GMT
Besides Winter Soldier and Black Panther they are all forgettable. The best mcu stuff comes from Netflix. The only good parts of Thor are Darcy but Shitnerok got rid of her. Clearly not the case as most have been monster hits, have sold lots of merchandise, and air frequently on TV - in other words definitely not forgettable by any stretch in the public's eye. "The best mcu stuff comes from Netflix" - Most of the shows lose steam once they get passed episode 8-9 in a season and aren't able to recapture the level quality from earlier, except in Iron Fist's case as it started off weak and got better towards the very end. Why was Darcy the "only good parts" of the Thor movies? I want a legit answer to this one, not "she is actually interesting" which opens another question - WHY is she interesting? "Shitnerok" - again, if you crave more "mature" content and proclaim yourself to be a "mature" film viewer then why continue to act so...Immature? ONLY the kids like the movies. The Netflix is mature and a perfect 10. Darcy is great cause kat plays her. Shitnerok sucked without her |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 20:56:57 GMT
I know criticizing the X Men movies is your main schtick so I'm asking against my better judgment... But how exactly is Iron Man more comic booky than the first two X Men movies? (Or the Spiderman movies?) No, Spider-man was the doorway. But the Raimi Spider-man movies has that campy/corny-ness to them.
How is Iron Man more comic booky than the X-men movies? If they made Iron Man, I don't think they would have gone as far as Favreau did. Yeah, they pulled back when it came to The Mandarin, but think about all the pull backs we got from the X-men movies.
And I wasn't really criticizing the X-men movies, but the people around it and their views on it and also giving a time frame. Back in those days we wanted CBMs to be closer to the comics, but at the same time, not overly corny/campy. People felt that the movies would have to be corny and campy for them to be like the comics and that you had to change them to be in live action or they would come out like Batman Forever/ & Robin and the like. Nobody thought that if you made the movies in earnest and had the characters believe in what they were doing that it would come out great. When the characters don't think that what they were doing (the costumes and such) was stupid then they audience won't. People behind the movies at that time, had audiences believing that you had to be moody and wearing dark leather for the movies to work. Either that or go Raimi (which was just his style anyway). The MCU is that middle ground between those worlds and it works and people respond to it.
I'd really like to see a DC movie made like an MCU movie. The current DC movies are trying to be so anti-MCU that they go against their own characters.
I appreciate such a thought out, articulate reply- I really do. It's refreshing in comparison to what, say, Former Sam would've said... But I gotta say I disagree (mostly anyway). I do not find the Raimi series to be campy. I find Spiderman 2 to be deeper, more thematic than all MCU movies and it takes its central character far more seriously than Homecoming does. Homecoming is cheesy and weightless as hell compared to Spiderman 2. It's also Doctor Strange and Ant Man that seem corny to me because they do what Spiderman 2 and X Men never did: they delibrately run down and degrade their character with constant winking at the audience. To me the perfect balance between the two extremes (cheesy and grounded) are exemplified in the first two X Men movies, the first two Spiderman movies, Batman Begins, Iron Man, all three Cap movies and the first and third Avengers movies. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 10, 2018 21:39:32 GMT
Clearly not the case as most have been monster hits, have sold lots of merchandise, and air frequently on TV - in other words definitely not forgettable by any stretch in the public's eye. "The best mcu stuff comes from Netflix" - Most of the shows lose steam once they get passed episode 8-9 in a season and aren't able to recapture the level quality from earlier, except in Iron Fist's case as it started off weak and got better towards the very end. Why was Darcy the "only good parts" of the Thor movies? I want a legit answer to this one, not "she is actually interesting" which opens another question - WHY is she interesting? "Shitnerok" - again, if you crave more "mature" content and proclaim yourself to be a "mature" film viewer then why continue to act so...Immature? ONLY the kids like the movies. The Netflix is mature and a perfect 10. Darcy is great cause kat plays her. Shitnerok sucked without her ONLY the kids? Based on what evidence? Then how come most of the profit earned come from adult consumers? Yeah, kids like the MCU and buy its merchandise but they're not the be all or end all of what makes the MCU as successful as it is. No, the Netflix shows are not a perfect. They typically start off very strong but they lose steam halfway in and struggle to keep the same level of quality as they stretch to 13 episodes. This is the problem with all the Netflix shows aside from the first season of Daredevil which had a storyline that really warranted 13 episodes, the other shows could've ended their seasons much sooner. If Dennings being her on-screen portrayer is the only reason why you believe they are a great character then that disqualifies your argument because you are only going by superficial reasons like "my favorite actress played her". Objectively speaking great characters are defined by their personality and their growth in a story, you can have the best actor in the world in a role but if the character isn't written in any way that is compelling, exciting, or interesting then there isn't a whole lot to write home about. Now you could say Darcy is likable because of Dennings ' performance, but that's pretty much it. "Shitnerok" - now that's something kids would say, if you are oh so mature why not at least present yourself in such a way? Also, Ragnarok is the most well-liked Thor film to date, numbers don't lie and if you're going to try and use "money don't equal quality" it'll be too late for that as you've flushed all your credibility away as you've revealed here that you cannot judge a movie objectively with your whole "Darcy is only good because Kat Dennings plays her" comment. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 10, 2018 22:16:49 GMT
No, Spider-man was the doorway. But the Raimi Spider-man movies has that campy/corny-ness to them.
How is Iron Man more comic booky than the X-men movies? If they made Iron Man, I don't think they would have gone as far as Favreau did. Yeah, they pulled back when it came to The Mandarin, but think about all the pull backs we got from the X-men movies.
And I wasn't really criticizing the X-men movies, but the people around it and their views on it and also giving a time frame. Back in those days we wanted CBMs to be closer to the comics, but at the same time, not overly corny/campy. People felt that the movies would have to be corny and campy for them to be like the comics and that you had to change them to be in live action or they would come out like Batman Forever/ & Robin and the like. Nobody thought that if you made the movies in earnest and had the characters believe in what they were doing that it would come out great. When the characters don't think that what they were doing (the costumes and such) was stupid then they audience won't. People behind the movies at that time, had audiences believing that you had to be moody and wearing dark leather for the movies to work. Either that or go Raimi (which was just his style anyway). The MCU is that middle ground between those worlds and it works and people respond to it.
I'd really like to see a DC movie made like an MCU movie. The current DC movies are trying to be so anti-MCU that they go against their own characters.
I appreciate such a thought out, articulate reply- I really do. It's refreshing in comparison to what, say, Former Sam would've said... But I gotta say I disagree (mostly anyway). I do not find the Raimi series to be campy. I find Spiderman 2 to be deeper, more thematic than all MCU movies and it takes its central character far more seriously than Homecoming does. Homecoming is cheesy and weightless as hell compared to Spiderman 2. It's also Doctor Strange and Ant Man that seem corny to me because they do what Spiderman 2 and X Men never did: they delibrately run down and degrade their character with constant winking at the audience. To me the perfect balance between the two extremes (cheesy and grounded) are exemplified in the first two X Men movies, the first two Spiderman movies, Batman Begins, Iron Man, all three Cap movies and the first and third Avengers movies. By campy/corny, I'm talking about Raimi's directing style. Yes, they'll have deep stuff like his heart to heart moments with May, but the style of the movie is campy. He does all the same tricks from his Evil Dead movies. X-men never winked at the audience? The movies are full of winks. Constantly telling us how stupid the idea of X-men is? "Would you rather wear yellow spandex?" Logan was wearing dog tags with Wolverine on it, but says how stupid it is that they all have codenames? "The 3rd movie is the always the worst."? Logan had the plot revolve around an X-men comic book. When did Dr. Strange "wink at the camera"? When did Ant-man? The only things I can see being corny in Ant-man is the usage of realistic small items that can be made to look regular size when they wear small. Or the large ant/toy train.
The ones in that list that had perfect balance would be Nolan's Batman (all of them), Iron Man, the Cap movies, and the Avengers movies (all of them*). Especially 3. Because everything was perfectly balanced as it should be.
*The thing that people cry about with AoU is Ultron not being the character he is in the comics. Ultron was created by another character and took from that charcater's personality. He did the same thing in AoU, but with another character. Blame Edgar Wright for sitting on his hands and not making Ant-man. By now we would have had Hank Pym as the main person in the Ant-man suit.
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Post by thenewnexus on Jun 10, 2018 22:33:15 GMT
No, Spider-man was the doorway. But the Raimi Spider-man movies has that campy/corny-ness to them. How is Iron Man more comic booky than the X-men movies? If they made Iron Man, I don't think they would have gone as far as Favreau did. Yeah, they pulled back when it came to The Mandarin, but think about all the pull backs we got from the X-men movies. And I wasn't really criticizing the X-men movies, but the people around it and their views on it and also giving a time frame. Back in those days we wanted CBMs to be closer to the comics, but at the same time, not overly corny/campy. People felt that the movies would have to be corny and campy for them to be like the comics and that you had to change them to be in live action or they would come out like Batman Forever/ & Robin and the like. Nobody thought that if you made the movies in earnest and had the characters believe in what they were doing that it would come out great. When the characters don't think that what they were doing (the costumes and such) was stupid then they audience won't. People behind the movies at that time, had audiences believing that you had to be moody and wearing dark leather for the movies to work. Either that or go Raimi (which was just his style anyway). The MCU is that middle ground between those worlds and it works and people respond to it.
I'd really like to see a DC movie made like an MCU movie. The current DC movies are trying to be so anti-MCU that they go against their own characters.
I appreciate such a thought out, articulate reply- I really do. It's refreshing in comparison to what, say, Former Sam would've said... But I gotta say I disagree (mostly anyway). I do not find the Raimi series to be campy. I find Spiderman 2 to be deeper, more thematic than all MCU movies and it takes its central character far more seriously than Homecoming does. Homecoming is cheesy and weightless as hell compared to Spiderman 2. It's also Doctor Strange and Ant Man that seem corny to me because they do what Spiderman 2 and X Men never did: they delibrately run down and degrade their character with constant winking at the audience. To me the perfect balance between the two extremes (cheesy and grounded) are exemplified in the first two X Men movies, the first two Spiderman movies, Batman Begins, Iron Man, all three Cap movies and the first and third Avengers movies. Give raimi the mcu |
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