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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 12, 2018 15:29:42 GMT
Warning: Mild Spoilers for A4
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 12, 2018 15:34:45 GMT
We saw this coming, didn't we?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 12, 2018 15:55:16 GMT
We saw this coming, didn't we? Perhaps... If you're familiar with the source material for sure. The VQ storyline gives some insights into what his post-resurrection persona will be like. That and, new developments with the Hulk, should be interesting.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 12, 2018 16:24:59 GMT
We saw this coming, didn't we? Perhaps... If you're familiar with the source material for sure. The VQ storyline gives some insights into what his post-resurrection persona will be like. That and, new developments with the Hulk, should be interesting. It seems strange to think about, but I'm actually looking forward to his new persona for some reason. I got into comics right around the time of the original Vision Quest. So when I read back issues featuring the original incarnation of the character, I always read him as more stiff and emotionless than perhaps was intended. Funny that I'm having this revelation nearly 30 years later. It'll be interesting to see what they do with the character. After IW I knew they had left the door open for this scenario and I wasn't sure the character would be interesting. But I'm suddenly very intrigued by the concept now that we know it's happening.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 12, 2018 16:34:34 GMT
Perhaps... If you're familiar with the source material for sure. The VQ storyline gives some insights into what his post-resurrection persona will be like. That and, new developments with the Hulk, should be interesting. It seems strange to think about, but I'm actually looking forward to his new persona for some reason. I got into comics right around the time of the original Vision Quest. So when I read back issues featuring the original incarnation of the character, I always read him as more stiff and emotionless than perhaps was intended. Funny that I'm having this revelation nearly 30 years later. It'll be interesting to see what they do with the character. After IW I knew they had left the door open for this scenario and I wasn't sure the character would be interesting. But I'm suddenly very intrigued by the concept now that we know it's happening. VisionQuest, thanks to John Byrne, was a better story than it had a right to be. Simon's refusal to donate the engrams needed to restore the Vision's personality made for compelling drama. Loved the issue where Wanda dropped a cliff face on him. Byrne was relentless on the WC Avengers title, he never let the team have a moment's rest.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 12, 2018 16:42:59 GMT
It seems strange to think about, but I'm actually looking forward to his new persona for some reason. I got into comics right around the time of the original Vision Quest. So when I read back issues featuring the original incarnation of the character, I always read him as more stiff and emotionless than perhaps was intended. Funny that I'm having this revelation nearly 30 years later. It'll be interesting to see what they do with the character. After IW I knew they had left the door open for this scenario and I wasn't sure the character would be interesting. But I'm suddenly very intrigued by the concept now that we know it's happening. VisionQuest, thanks to John Byrne, was a better story than it had a right to be. Simon's refusal to donate the engrams needed to restore the Vision's personality made for compelling drama. Loved the issue where Wanda dropped a cliff face on him. Byrne was relentless on the WC Avengers title, he never let the team have a moment's rest. Awesome sequence as he digs himself out and screams in rage. Kind of a dick move on both their parts when you think about it. "I'm not going to help you because I have the hots for you; the last thing I want is your husband going back to normal." "Eff you, eat a cliff." I really hope we get Wonder Man in the MCU someday.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 12, 2018 17:05:07 GMT
VisionQuest, thanks to John Byrne, was a better story than it had a right to be. Simon's refusal to donate the engrams needed to restore the Vision's personality made for compelling drama. Loved the issue where Wanda dropped a cliff face on him. Byrne was relentless on the WC Avengers title, he never let the team have a moment's rest. Awesome sequence as he digs himself out and screams in rage. Kind of a dick move on both their parts when you think about it. "I'm not going to help you because I have the hots for you; the last thing I want is your husband going back to normal." "Eff you, eat a cliff." I really hope we get Wonder Man in the MCU someday. Yes, Wonder Man belongs in the MCU --- complete with his convoluted backstory of embezzlement, death, resurrection, voodoo and zombification.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 2:54:49 GMT
Interesting...
Though, not being a big comics buff, I don't know what I'm looking at...
Skull Man, please enlighten me on what this means... I'm too lazy to search and read a wiki entry!
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 14, 2018 4:03:01 GMT
Interesting... Though, not being a big comics buff, I don't know what I'm looking at... Skull Man, please enlighten me on what this means... I'm too lazy to search and read a wiki entry! I'll try... We're talking about decades worth of source material. Here goes. The comic-book version of Vision was initially created by Ultron using the brainwave patterns of one Simon Williams (aka The Wonder Man). Williams' engrams served as the Matrix for Vision's emotions and intuition. At the time, no one saw an ethical dilemma in this as Williams was presumed deceased. Vision would later enter into a relationship with and marry Wanda Maximoff (aka The Scarlet Witch). Flash forward a few decades and Williams has been resurrected, and the Vision has been forcefully disassembled by agents of the time lord, Immortus. Hank Pymm attempts to reassemble Vision but, he is only partially successful. The resurrected Vision is now a bleached white, emotionless specter who is nearly always intangible (thus genuinely living up to his name). FUN FACT: John Byrne, the writer, and artist of the VisionQuest storyline purposefully chose an all-white design as an homage to artist Roy Thomas who initially intended for Vision to be all white (but was overruled by Marvel editorial). Anyway, Wanda begs Simon to donate his brainwave patterns once again to restore Vision's original, more human personality. He refuses (because he is secretly in love with Wanda himself). She drops an entire cliff face on him for his unwillingness to help restore Vision. Vision keeps this ghostly persona for several issues during and after the VisionQuest storyline. He also becomes the new ruthlessly efficient leader of the Avengers - temporarily displacing Steve Rodgers. It appears that the Russo brothers will be paying homage to the VisionQuest storyline in Avengers 4.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 17:05:22 GMT
Lord Death ManThanks for the explanation! That sounds great. Of course we won't be getting that exact version, but I always appreciate it when comic book movies adapt famous arcs, even if it's a highly altered version or even just an allusion to them. A white ghostly Vision in a semi matter-less state will be cool to see on the big screen.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 14, 2018 17:22:06 GMT
Lord Death Man Thanks for the explanation! That sounds great. Of course we won't be getting that exact version, but I always appreciate it when comic book movies adapt famous arcs, even if it's a highly altered version or even just an allusion to them. A white ghostly Vision in a semi matter-less state will be cool to see on the big screen. I share your enthusiasm. It's a little thing but, Marvel went out of their way to do it without it being too heavy-handed or smacking of fan service. Modifying Vision's personality to be more robotic may seem like a step back for the character but, it does make sense given the fact that he no longer has the mind stone. And the white, always-spectral version of the character is at least going to be visually interesting. His phased state was a metaphor (albeit an obvious one) for the fact that he couldn't be reached emotionally by his teammates or his wife. White Vision is not the death of Superman or the Kessel Run. It's an obscure deep dive. You had to be there -- issue after issue. And Marvel knows this. This kind of attention to detail turns Marvel fans into ambassadors that get to share their knowledge with others along with their enthusiasm and love for the stories. Other fandoms -- which shall remain nameless -- tend more towards elitism and not inclusion. And that is a part of the reason why they are where they are now. You don't need to be an ambassador if you (mistakenly) believe your fandom's right to ascend is providence and does not have to be earned.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 18:25:35 GMT
Lord Death Man Thanks for the explanation! That sounds great. Of course we won't be getting that exact version, but I always appreciate it when comic book movies adapt famous arcs, even if it's a highly altered version or even just an allusion to them. A white ghostly Vision in a semi matter-less state will be cool to see on the big screen. I share your enthusiasm. It's a little thing but, Marvel went out of their way to do it without it being too heavy-handed or smacking of fan service. Modifying Vision's personality to be more robotic may seem like a step back for the character but, it does make sense given the fact that he no longer has the mind stone. And the white, always-spectral version of the character is at least going to be visually interesting. His phased state was a metaphor (albeit an obvious one) for the fact that he couldn't be reached emotionally by his teammates or his wife. White Vision is not the death of Superman or the Kessel Run. It's an obscure deep dive. You had to be there -- issue after issue. And Marvel knows this. This kind of attention to detail turns Marvel fans into ambassadors that get to share their knowledge with others along with their enthusiasm and love for the stories. Other fandoms -- which shall remain nameless -- tend more towards elitism and not inclusion. And that is a part of the reason why they are where they are now. You don't need to be an ambassador if you (mistakenly) believe your fandom's right to ascend is providence and does not have to be earned. I wonder how Scarlet Witchy Woman will fit into this arc. I imagine Vision will be ressurected in act one or early in act two while the snapped characters won't reappear until act three so she may not even be present during the Vision stuff. Still, both Wanda and Vision will probably live on so this may be further explored in an Avengers 5. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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