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Post by damngumby on Jun 18, 2018 16:45:44 GMT
One of the major hurdles a modern superhero movies must face is how to portray the superhero or villain in such a manner that is not ridiculous to today's sensibilities. A couple examples would be, Marvel nixing the Scarlet Witch sex kitten outfit and DC moving Superman's underwear to the inside of his super suit. Unless they completely change up this Cheetah character to something unrecognizable from the comics, I can't see how it could possibly work. If she ends up looking like a reject from the show Cats then people are going to have a field day! ... particularly if the rumor is true that they're bringing back Steve Trevor because he was the only thing that really worked in the last WW movie.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 18, 2018 18:46:56 GMT
Should have been Kat as Cheetah grrrr. Wigg is skinny and isn't hot. Patty Jenkins sucks at casting first we got that weakling who thinks hes the god of war and now Wigg as Cheetah. If she wanted a comedian to play Cheetah she could have at least cast a hot one like Anjeliah Johnson,abby elliot or the blonde chick from reno 911 Gadot is miscast too,can't act and 20 pounds to skinny,ironically several of the actresses playing Amazons look physically stronger than her. Barbara Ann Minerva is an introverted scientist who was made fun of for years by her male colleagues for her determination in searching for fantastical artifacts and her social ineptitude. In other words, before her transformation into Cheetah she was the kind of lady people would joke about rather than whistle at. Can Kat Dennings play that kind of character? I haven't seen enough to really say she could, let alone could I believe she actually received not one but two PhD's by her mid twenties. Just saying, casting somebody like Dennings for such a role echoes the kind of castings you'd see in the 90's where you'd have Denise Richards play a nuclear physicist or Alicia Silverstone as Batgirl. I think I'd have an easier time buying Zoey Deschanel as Selina Kyle than I might with Kat Dennings as Barbara Ann Minerva, to be honest. Wiig is mostly known for her comedic background but she's proven that she can also do drama and play it more convincingly than other actors with similar backgrounds who have tried to make the same transition. I could buy her as a socially awkward scientist who despite her credentials is not taken very seriously by her peers, it makes for a nice contrast between her and when she transforms into Cheetah who is like the complete opposite, like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde basically. Cheetah is pretty unlikely to be played for eye candy in the movie, the days where she wore skin tight cat skin is long gone now she has a much more animalistic appearance in the contemporary books, I think she'll most likely appear the way she does in DC Rebirth and I cannot imagine that not being the case given how far we've come with visual effects. David Thewlis as Ares worked in the context of the first movie as they were going for "it's always the person you least expect". Diana thought that Luddendorf was Ares because of his rank in the enemy military and the terrible things he was doing and attempting to do, but he was only mortal the real threat flew over her head the whole time. Gal Gadot isn't a great actress but she works very well as the character and many people have been won over with her portrayal, as it stands most movie goers see her as the bright or brightest spot in DC on film, for a lot of people she is on equal footing as Lynda Carter and Susan Eisenberg's portrayals.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 18, 2018 18:53:39 GMT
I see people talking about Ezra as Flash. He was miscast too l. Barry is no Alpha Male but still drawn as Handsome. Hes the good looking smart type Ezra looks like a skinny Kylo Ren. I could see him as a young riddler Sorry but Justin Hartley still looks like he's magazine cover ready, even in that pic with a pair of glasses on. Barry Allen isn't a bad looking guy, but he's not exactly the kind of dude all ladies would instantly fawn over. And Ezra Miller is a great actor, a good looking guy and could've been great as The Flash if Warner Bros. didn't mess up with the reshoots and had him act like a wannabe Quicksilver. Miller himself isn't too happy with how Warner Bros. handled the movie and how they essentially rewrote his character for theatrical release.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 18, 2018 19:47:36 GMT
One of the major hurdles a modern superhero movies must face is how to portray the superhero or villain in such a manner that is not ridiculous to today's sensibilities. A couple examples would be, Marvel nixing the Scarlet Witch sex kitten outfit and DC moving Superman's underwear to the inside of his super suit. Unless they completely change up this Cheetah character to something unrecognizable from the comics, I can't see how it could possibly work. If she ends up looking like a reject from the show Cats then people are going to have a field day! ... particularly if the rumor is true that they're bringing back Steve Trevor because he was the only thing that really worked in the last WW movie.It was already mentioned before WW was even released that Chris Pine was signed on for several films. Also, most would agree that Gal Gadot worked perfectly fine in the movie, and that she and Pine had great chemistry.
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Post by thenewnexus on Jun 18, 2018 20:04:35 GMT
I see people talking about Ezra as Flash. He was miscast too l. Barry is no Alpha Male but still drawn as Handsome. Hes the good looking smart type Ezra looks like a skinny Kylo Ren. I could see him as a young riddler Sorry but Justin Hartley still looks like he's magazine cover ready, even in that pic with a pair of glasses on. Barry Allen isn't a bad looking guy, but he's not exactly the kind of dude all ladies would instantly fawn over. And Ezra Miller is a great actor, a good looking guy and could've been great as The Flash if Warner Bros. didn't mess up with the reshoots and had him act like a wannabe Quicksilver. Miller himself isn't too happy with how Warner Bros. handled the movie and how they essentially rewrote his character for theatrical release. Hartley looks more like Barry Allen than Miller. Barry is drawn as good looking hes a bit of nerd like Peter Parker and Reed Richards but still good looking.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 18, 2018 20:12:44 GMT
Sorry but Justin Hartley still looks like he's magazine cover ready, even in that pic with a pair of glasses on. Barry Allen isn't a bad looking guy, but he's not exactly the kind of dude all ladies would instantly fawn over. And Ezra Miller is a great actor, a good looking guy and could've been great as The Flash if Warner Bros. didn't mess up with the reshoots and had him act like a wannabe Quicksilver. Miller himself isn't too happy with how Warner Bros. handled the movie and how they essentially rewrote his character for theatrical release. Hartley looks more like Barry Allen than Miller. Barry is drawn as good looking hes a bit of nerd like Peter Parker and Reed Richards but still good looking. I seldom agree with thenewnexus but he's right here. Barry Allen might be a nerd but he's not a dork. He's smart but he's not socially awkward.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 18, 2018 20:18:20 GMT
Sorry but Justin Hartley still looks like he's magazine cover ready, even in that pic with a pair of glasses on. Barry Allen isn't a bad looking guy, but he's not exactly the kind of dude all ladies would instantly fawn over. And Ezra Miller is a great actor, a good looking guy and could've been great as The Flash if Warner Bros. didn't mess up with the reshoots and had him act like a wannabe Quicksilver. Miller himself isn't too happy with how Warner Bros. handled the movie and how they essentially rewrote his character for theatrical release. Hartley looks more like Barry Allen than Miller. Barry is drawn as good looking hes a bit of nerd like Peter Parker and Reed Richards but still good looking. Plenty of people seem to consider Ezra Miller to be handsome as well.
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Post by thenewnexus on Jun 18, 2018 21:00:24 GMT
Hartley looks more like Barry Allen than Miller. Barry is drawn as good looking hes a bit of nerd like Peter Parker and Reed Richards but still good looking. Plenty of people seem to consider Ezra Miller to be handsome as well. Not in the traditional way. Miller does not look like Barry Allen nor is there a comic were Miller looks like Barry. I can buy him as a young riddler
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 18, 2018 21:17:56 GMT
Sorry but Justin Hartley still looks like he's magazine cover ready, even in that pic with a pair of glasses on. Barry Allen isn't a bad looking guy, but he's not exactly the kind of dude all ladies would instantly fawn over. And Ezra Miller is a great actor, a good looking guy and could've been great as The Flash if Warner Bros. didn't mess up with the reshoots and had him act like a wannabe Quicksilver. Miller himself isn't too happy with how Warner Bros. handled the movie and how they essentially rewrote his character for theatrical release. Hartley looks more like Barry Allen than Miller. Barry is drawn as good looking hes a bit of nerd like Peter Parker and Reed Richards but still good looking. Yes, but he's still not exactly on the level to where girls are always instantly fawning over him. He's probably the most average in the league as far as looks go. Also, some people do find Ezra Miller to be handsome...Whether you consider it traditional or not( please define "traditional") it doesn't make that any less true.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 18, 2018 21:45:33 GMT
Hartley looks more like Barry Allen than Miller. Barry is drawn as good looking hes a bit of nerd like Peter Parker and Reed Richards but still good looking. I seldom agree with thenewnexus but he's right here. Barry Allen might be a nerd but he's not a dork. He's smart but he's not socially awkward. And I agree, Barry's a nerd but he shouldn't be as introverted and silly as Justice League portrayed him as. What I'm getting at is that Ezra Miller is a very good actor and could've easily crushed it in the role if all had gone according to plan. What we saw in the theatrical cut of Justice League was was not how Miller approached the character as being, Warner came in and retooled the movie and made The Flash more comedic and over-the-top, he was played more seriously and down-to-earth in the original version. Miller has expressed disappointment in what Warner did to Justice League and the character, so he is aware of what makes for a good Barry Allen and what doesn't, but he didn't have creative control so there is only so much he can say or do since he's just an actor working for money.
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Post by thenewnexus on Jun 18, 2018 21:55:46 GMT
Hartley looks more like Barry Allen than Miller. Barry is drawn as good looking hes a bit of nerd like Peter Parker and Reed Richards but still good looking. Yes, but he's still not exactly on the level to where girls are always instantly fawning over him. He's probably the most average in the league as far as looks go. Also, some people do find Ezra Miller to be handsome...Whether you consider it traditional or not( please define "traditional") it doesn't make that any less true. Barry is the good looking guy That does not see himself as good looking but others could. Those that find Miller good looking are likely a fandom. Miller looks like he wears makeup which is fine but,traditional good looking guys don't.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 18, 2018 22:04:15 GMT
I seldom agree with thenewnexus but he's right here. Barry Allen might be a nerd but he's not a dork. He's smart but he's not socially awkward. And I agree, Barry's a nerd but he shouldn't be as introverted and silly as Justice League portrayed him as. What I'm getting at is that Ezra Miller is a very good actor and could've easily crushed it in the role if all had gone according to plan. What we saw in the theatrical cut of Justice League was was not how Miller approached the character as being, Warner came in and retooled the movie and made The Flash more comedic and over-the-top, he was played more seriously and down-to-earth in the original version. Miller has expressed disappointment in what Warner did to Justice League and the character, so he is aware of what makes for a good Barry Allen and what doesn't, but he didn't have creative control so there is only so much he can say or do since he's just an actor working for money. Actually, going by what was described from the set visits, the footage that was shown from 2016 Comic Con and Ezra Miller’s own statements, I’m pretty sure the Flash was always intended to be the comic relief of the film. The whole “I need friends” thing was from the Snyder version, as was the rooftop scene with Commissioner Gordon.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 18, 2018 22:46:33 GMT
And I agree, Barry's a nerd but he shouldn't be as introverted and silly as Justice League portrayed him as. What I'm getting at is that Ezra Miller is a very good actor and could've easily crushed it in the role if all had gone according to plan. What we saw in the theatrical cut of Justice League was was not how Miller approached the character as being, Warner came in and retooled the movie and made The Flash more comedic and over-the-top, he was played more seriously and down-to-earth in the original version. Miller has expressed disappointment in what Warner did to Justice League and the character, so he is aware of what makes for a good Barry Allen and what doesn't, but he didn't have creative control so there is only so much he can say or do since he's just an actor working for money. Actually, going by what was described from the set visits, the footage that was shown from 2016 Comic Con and Ezra Miller’s own statements, I’m pretty sure the Flash was always intended to be the comic relief of the film. The whole “I need friends” thing was from the Snyder version, as was the rooftop scene with Commissioner Gordon. Yes, but Warner cranked the humor up by a lot in re-dos. Flash making references to Pet Sematary, him panicking about helping people out and needing a pep talk from Batman, him falling onto Wonder Woman, and challenging Supes to a race were all from Whedon's reshoots, for examples.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 18, 2018 22:50:04 GMT
Yes, but he's still not exactly on the level to where girls are always instantly fawning over him. He's probably the most average in the league as far as looks go. Also, some people do find Ezra Miller to be handsome...Whether you consider it traditional or not( please define "traditional") it doesn't make that any less true. Barry is the good looking guy That does not see himself as good looking but others could. Those that find Miller good looking are likely a fandom. Miller looks like he wears makeup which is fine but,traditional good looking guys don't. Generalizations FTW. Barry doesn't have as much luck with the ladies as other leaguers do, girls don't generally go ga-ga for him on first sight its usually him that makes the move and lands a date because of his personality not his looks.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 18, 2018 23:02:01 GMT
Actually, going by what was described from the set visits, the footage that was shown from 2016 Comic Con and Ezra Miller’s own statements, I’m pretty sure the Flash was always intended to be the comic relief of the film. The whole “I need friends” thing was from the Snyder version, as was the rooftop scene with Commissioner Gordon. Yes, but Warner cranked the humor up by a lot in re-dos. Flash making references to Pet Sematary, him panicking about helping people out and needing a pep talk from Batman, him falling onto Wonder Woman, and challenging Supes to a race were all from Whedon's reshoots, for examples. I suppose. The only one of those scenes that really annoyed me was the one with him falling onto Wonder Woman’s cleavage, though. I think Whedon was trying a bit too hard with that.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 19, 2018 12:07:22 GMT
It's their wording. I didn't Tweet that. “I've heard that Kristen Wiig starts the sequel as Diana's friend, not her foe. She emulates Wonder Woman, then seeks to usurp her.” I changed my mind. I figured out what Cheetah's role will be: Winter Soldier. Friend turning bad. The movies go from open war setting to the Cold War (spy thriller). Trevor will be the Sharon Carter of this movie. Mixed with Black Widow, of course, because Pine is a bigger star. That scene that someone shot of her running done the street in maybe DC (DC!!) looks like the highway scene.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 23, 2018 14:49:43 GMT
I seldom agree with thenewnexus but he's right here. Barry Allen might be a nerd but he's not a dork. He's smart but he's not socially awkward. And I agree, Barry's a nerd but he shouldn't be as introverted and silly as Justice League portrayed him as. What I'm getting at is that Ezra Miller is a very good actor and could've easily crushed it in the role if all had gone according to plan. What we saw in the theatrical cut of Justice League was was not how Miller approached the character as being, Warner came in and retooled the movie and made The Flash more comedic and over-the-top, he was played more seriously and down-to-earth in the original version. Miller has expressed disappointment in what Warner did to Justice League and the character, so he is aware of what makes for a good Barry Allen and what doesn't, but he didn't have creative control so there is only so much he can say or do since he's just an actor working for money. Flash was made the way he was because of Quicksilver being popular in DoFP. Another character they turned into this weird twitchy guy.
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