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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 17, 2018 15:17:06 GMT
What if, through time/reality altering/magic, Steve is brought back and he helps Diana save the day, but in order for her to truly save the day, she has to hit a reset button/change dimensions/etc. and because of that, the Steve that was given back to her disappears? Or, conversely, something happens at the end where she has changed reality/timeline/something, and suddenly lots of things have changed but only she and Cheeta (or some other character) can remember the original timeline/events/dimension, and in this new one, Steve is alive but Diana doesn't see him till JUSTICE LEAGUE 2/WONDER WOMAN 3? They could do it with a finger snap!
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 17, 2018 16:33:52 GMT
DC isn't going to have a lame "frozen in ice for 70 years" gimmick. And this isn't proof that DCEU is bringing Steve Trevor back to life. It was basically confirmed in Justice League that Steve Trevor was killed in WWI. Some people have speculated that it's a flashback scene or that Chris Pine is playing Steve Trevor's grandson (similar to how Lyle Waggoner played the original Steve Trevor in Season 1 of the TV series and then played Steve Trevor's son in Seasons 2 and 3 of the TV series). But there's another possibility - it's a dream sequence. Geoff Johns co-wrote the story for Wonder Woman II so he's very familiar with the episode of Justice League Unlimited titled "For the Man Who Has Everything". Season 1 of the Supergirl TV series had a similar episode titled "For the Girl Who Has Everything". This could be similar, with a villain putting Diana in a dream sequence and showing her living her life with Steve Trevor by her side. They've already entered Captain America country with the first movie. Her getting with the grandson of Steve is like Steve getting with the niece of Peggy Carter. It's par for the course.
How can it be a flashback when he is wearing 80s clothing?
They might as well go the grandson route because Steve will not look young like that in the 80s. A dream sequence of her living with Steve in the 80s would not make sense.
1st. Wonder Woman never went to Captain America country. Captain America's country is the USA. Wonder Woman takes place in France, Themyscira, England, and Belgium. Wonder Woman never went to the USA (or Germany). YOU FAILED AGAIN!
2nd, Diana isn't getting with Steve's grandson.
3rd, Steve Rogers getting with Peggy Carter's niece is more like Diana Prince working with Steve Trevor's son in the TV series.
4th, like I said, it could be a dream sequence (like "For the Man Who Has Everything" in Justice League Unlimited or "For the Girl Who Has Everything" like in the Supergirl TV series), which isn't the same thing as a flashback. And a dream sequence of Diana living with Steve in 1984 would make perfect sense for a story that's similar to "For the Man Who Has Everything" in Justice League Unlimited or "For the Girl Who Has Everything" like in the Supergirl TV series.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 17, 2018 16:40:01 GMT
What if, through time/reality altering/magic, Steve is brought back and he helps Diana save the day, but in order for her to truly save the day, she has to hit a reset button/change dimensions/etc. and because of that, the Steve that was given back to her disappears? Excellent point. That would also show how DCEU heroes are truly heroic while at the same time pointing out how MCU heroes are selfish assholes who aren't heroic at all. In Infinity War, time and time again, MCU "heroes" (such as Starlord and Scarlet Witch) put their own selfish agenda and selfish wishes ahead of the greater good.
In Wonder Woman II, Diana could be faced with the choice of having a life with Steve Trevor but many innocent people would have to die OR saving many innocent people but she would have to give up her life with Steve Trevor. Diana would show what it truly means to be a hero by putting the greater good ahead of her own wishes.
Captain Kirk was faced with the exact same choice in Star Trek and chose to put the greater good ahead of his own wishes. And Diana would do the same, unlike the MCU "heroes" who kept putting their own selfish agendas and selfish wishes ahead of the greater good.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 17, 2018 16:46:00 GMT
They've already entered Captain America country with the first movie. Her getting with the grandson of Steve is like Steve getting with the niece of Peggy Carter. It's par for the course.
How can it be a flashback when he is wearing 80s clothing?
They might as well go the grandson route because Steve will not look young like that in the 80s. A dream sequence of her living with Steve in the 80s would not make sense.
1st. Wonder Woman never went to Captain America country. Captain America's country is the USA. Wonder Woman takes place in France, England, and Belgium. Wonder Woman never went to the USA (or Germany). YOU FAILED AGAIN!
2nd, Diana isn't getting with Steve's grandson.
3rd, Steve Rogers getting with Peggy Carter's niece is more like Diana Prince working with Steve Trevor's son in the TV series.
4th, like I said, it could be a dream sequence (like "For the Man Who Has Everything" in Justice League Unlimited or "For the Girl Who Has Everything" like in the Supergirl TV series), which isn't the same thing as a flashback. And a dream sequence of Diana living with Steve in 1984 would make perfect sense for a story that's similar to "For the Man Who Has Everything" in Justice League Unlimited or "For the Girl Who Has Everything" like in the Supergirl TV series.
1- Captain America country is his movie. Not the actual place where he comes from or went.
2- Heh. She's gonna need a love interest.
3- Is it? Lots of people won't see it that way.
4- The dream sequence in those stories had them living the life they didn't at that current time they were put into the that state. If Diana is dreaming of being with Steve it would be as if Steve didn't die in that explosion. So he would be about 100 years old. He would not be around the same age as he was in WW1. The story would make sense if it took place around 1920.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 17, 2018 16:52:42 GMT
1st. Wonder Woman never went to Captain America country. Captain America's country is the USA. Wonder Woman takes place in France, England, and Belgium. Wonder Woman never went to the USA (or Germany). YOU FAILED AGAIN!
2nd, Diana isn't getting with Steve's grandson.
3rd, Steve Rogers getting with Peggy Carter's niece is more like Diana Prince working with Steve Trevor's son in the TV series.
4th, like I said, it could be a dream sequence (like "For the Man Who Has Everything" in Justice League Unlimited or "For the Girl Who Has Everything" like in the Supergirl TV series), which isn't the same thing as a flashback. And a dream sequence of Diana living with Steve in 1984 would make perfect sense for a story that's similar to "For the Man Who Has Everything" in Justice League Unlimited or "For the Girl Who Has Everything" like in the Supergirl TV series.
1- Captain America country is his movie. Not the actual place where he comes from or went.
Wonder Woman took place during the 1st World War. Captain America didn't take place until the 2nd World War, decades later. You MCU fans probably haven't gotten to that in your History class yet, but there's a huge difference between World War I and World War II.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 17, 2018 16:55:01 GMT
1- Captain America country is his movie. Not the actual place where he comes from or went.
Wonder Woman took place during the 1st World War. Captain America didn't take place until the 2nd World War, decades later. You MCU fans probably haven't gotten to that in your History class yet, but there's a huge difference between World War I and World War II. Wonder Woman could have taken place in the Trojan War and it wouldn't have mattered.
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Post by leesilm on Jun 17, 2018 21:49:18 GMT
What if, through time/reality altering/magic, Steve is brought back and he helps Diana save the day, but in order for her to truly save the day, she has to hit a reset button/change dimensions/etc. and because of that, the Steve that was given back to her disappears? Excellent point. That would also show how DCEU heroes are truly heroic while at the same time pointing out how MCU heroes are selfish assholes who aren't heroic at all. In Infinity War, time and time again, MCU "heroes" (such as Starlord and Scarlet Witch) put their own selfish agenda and selfish wishes ahead of the greater good.
In Wonder Woman II, Diana could be faced with the choice of having a life with Steve Trevor but many innocent people would have to die OR saving many innocent people but she would have to give up her life with Steve Trevor. Diana would show what it truly means to be a hero by putting the greater good ahead of her own wishes.
Captain Kirk was faced with the exact same choice in Star Trek and chose to put the greater good ahead of his own wishes. And Diana would do the same, unlike the MCU "heroes" who kept putting their own selfish agendas and selfish wishes ahead of the greater good.
Okay, don't get me wrong, I spent a good deal of time yelling at Gamora and Quill (granted, I yell at Quill anytime a GUARDIANS movie is on), because she should have asked Drax or Rocket to take her out, if Thanos got her. Rocket knows what it is to be used (*see Hawkeye's speech about being taken apart and remade), so he would have done it without hesitation even if it would have broken his trash panda heart to do it. Drax would understand her thinking, and he would honor her request because she is his friend and she asked him to this. Asking Quill was a terrible idea, though he did ultimately try to shoot her the way she asked (too late, cause the Reality Stone was in the Gauntlet by then). I didn't post this as a play on how much better the DCU/MCU is compared to the MCU/DCU. I love them both. Both sets of heroes have their flaws, they both have their gold. Bruce got too focused on what Superman MIGHT to and lost sight of the real goal of his life's work - Tony got so focused on the pain he had caused by accident/oversight that he let it overtake his good sense. Clark was a newbie to the superhero gig and he screwed up a bit at the beginning, though he did manage to save the whole planet (I would point out, this is the thing with Super Hero Movies- showing how even they can't save everyone), Steve seemingly is choosing his friend (Bucky) over everyone else but if you look at his scene with Tony earlier when discussing Wanda you can see he is fighting against what HYDRA was taking advantage of in WINTER SOLDIER (people will hand over their freedom for security- and again, they go at this idea that even superheroes can't always save everyone). I think that was part of the point for INFINITY WAR. These guys (especially Team Cap) have given so much, have saved so many people, and they can't even save the people they cared about most [Okoye could not save T'Challa and has now lost him twice, Steve could not save Bucky and has lost him for about the 5th time, Rocket couldn't save Groot and had to watch him die again, Peter couldn't save Gamora, Wanda couldn't save Vision, etc. etc.], and trying to fight this, each their own way since the previous movies fractured them and their strategies/personalities/etc. kept the divides wide in INFINITY WAR, they didn't stand a chance of saving the half of the world that went POOF. Although yes, doing that kind of timeline/magic thing I posted about earlier, could easily work to show what a selfless hero Diana is. And could work to help her do things she needs to in WW84 without messing up the timeline/characterization from WWI or JUSTICE LEAGUE. And the DC universe, in the comics, has plenty of alternate realities and such, so it isn't like there wouldn't be a plethra of source material in the backlogs of comics, for them to research/steal from. I trust Patty Jenkins. She won't screw up her 2017 masterpiece.
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Post by leesilm on Jun 17, 2018 21:50:40 GMT
What if, through time/reality altering/magic, Steve is brought back and he helps Diana save the day, but in order for her to truly save the day, she has to hit a reset button/change dimensions/etc. and because of that, the Steve that was given back to her disappears? Or, conversely, something happens at the end where she has changed reality/timeline/something, and suddenly lots of things have changed but only she and Cheeta (or some other character) can remember the original timeline/events/dimension, and in this new one, Steve is alive but Diana doesn't see him till JUSTICE LEAGUE 2/WONDER WOMAN 3? They could do it with a finger snap! I was not emotionally prepared for that. My heart gave out about halfway through INFINITY WAR and by the time the Snap came, I couldn't care anymore about the death and destruction. They could have made the funniest joke in the history of cinema, and I would have had the same blank expression.
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Post by damngumby on Jun 18, 2018 10:57:19 GMT
Regardless of how he comes back, if a resurrected Steve Trevor plays a significant role in the WW sequel, it will be a major blow to the original movie ... not to mention to all those fans who thought that the finality of Steve Trevor’s death was the thing that made the movie so special.
How many of those fans will come out and condemn the decision to reboot Steve Trevor (in whatever form), and how many will make fools of themselves trying to justify it?
This should be fun to watch!
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Post by NormanClature on Jun 18, 2018 11:40:29 GMT
Regardless of how he comes back, if a resurrected Steve Trevor plays a significant role in the WW sequel, it will be a major blow to the original movie ... not to mention to all those fans who thought that the finality of Steve Trevor’s death was the thing that made the movie so special. How many of those fans will come out and condemn the decision to reboot Steve Trevor (in whatever form), and how many will make fools of themselves trying to justify it? This should be fun to watch! If Steve Trevor is brought back to life cause gods then nobody in the DCU needs to die......EVER. DCU fans will once again be hoisted by their own petard.
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Post by leesilm on Jun 18, 2018 16:08:37 GMT
1- Captain America country is his movie. Not the actual place where he comes from or went.
Wonder Woman took place during the 1st World War. Captain America didn't take place until the 2nd World War, decades later. You MCU fans probably haven't gotten to that in your History class yet, but there's a huge difference between World War I and World War II. As a person who is BOTH a fan of the DC movie verse and the Marvel movie verse, I wanted to point out that my history books and education are intact. I know the differences between the two wars. I think you're letting the MCU-exclusive fans irritate you for some reason. Be chill. Sing the old Batman theme song, it helps. It's too fun to not-smile after you start going, "Nah-nah-nah-neh-nah-Batman".
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