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Post by NormanClature on Jun 14, 2018 15:23:37 GMT
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Post by NormanClature on Jun 14, 2018 16:00:48 GMT
How are DC fans going to be able to defend the resurrection of Steve Trevor?
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Post by leesilm on Jun 14, 2018 17:37:00 GMT
I think I'll take a whack at it.
If they bring him back as a stinger, to hint at WW3 (which, presumably will take place AFTER 2017/JUSTICE LEAGUE), then it could be that he's a tool of Ares in a plan to take down Wonder Woman/Diana. That could explain the lack of aging since WWI and why he's not-dead, plus explain his lack of aging moving forward. And, if he is to be a pawn in Ares's chess game, it could explain why Ares doesn't choose to reveal him to Diana, just yet. That he is waiting for the opportune moment (to quote Cap'n Jack Sparrow).
If they are planning to bring him back as some sort of hallucination/dream sequence/guilt trip for Diana, I would wonder why he is wearing 80s clothing. I would think Diana would imagine him as either the way he was in WWI or in a modern version there of (i.e. an 80s era pilot's uniform), rather than a track suit and huge white sneakers. Although, if it is something that makes her see his face on someone else's body, that would make more sense. It could be that she's been enchanted/drugged/injured and the result is that she sees a guy, who looks a little like Steve, and thinks that it really is Steve. Keeps the continuity intact. Or, if could be like that critter they used in SUPERGIRL, that latched onto her and made her have a dream of what her life would have been like if she stayed on Krypton and it hadn't exploded- leaching her energy and someone had to get in her head and stop her, in order to release her. Might explain Diana picturing a life with Steve, and I could see that being something a Cold War era baddie might have in a tank, to use on Diana and see what it could do plus keep her out of their hair.
Could be that they intend to bring him back in a more WINTER SOLDIER style storyline. It has happened before in the comics, where a bad guy tried to use Steve for their own ends, against Diana. He always overcomes the programming (same as Bucky) to help her save the day. I'm still betting Ares plays a part. We didn't see his (or Steve's, granted Steve's should have been blown to smithereens) body at the end of the movie, so...he could still be around.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jun 14, 2018 17:54:33 GMT
3 theories I think it could be:
1. It's an illusion or trick. Urzkartaga is a god after all, and Cheetah is the villain, so it could be a version of his powers.
2. It's Steve's grandson (great-grandson maybe? what's the math on that?)
3. Ares didn't kill all of the gods and Zeus survived. Zeus stepped in and saved Steve from the explosion.
I like 3 the best. 1 is too much of a gimmick and 2 is too much like the Steve Rogers/Sharon Carter thing.
1 that Nerdist put out there that would be crazy, but could be amazing:
It's actually Martian Manhunter recruiting Diana for something.
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Post by charzhino on Jun 14, 2018 18:33:16 GMT
Looks like forkersamhd was right
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Post by leesilm on Jun 14, 2018 20:24:07 GMT
I actually kind of love the idea of him being saved/brought back by a god. Don't care if it is Ares as a trick, Zeus to fight Ares beside Diana, or a 3rd god(dess) who does it as a favor for Diana. I don't like the idea of Pine playing Trevor's grandson/great-grandson. Granted, I also find the Sharon Carter/Steve Rogers kiss in CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR to be the single grossest thing in the MCU.
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Post by James Bond on Jun 14, 2018 22:19:07 GMT
3 theories I think it could be: 1. It's an illusion or trick. Urzkartaga is a god after all, and Cheetah is the villain, so it could be a version of his powers. 2. It's Steve's grandson ( great-grandson maybe? what's the math on that?) 3. Ares didn't kill all of the gods and Zeus survived. Zeus stepped in and saved Steve from the explosion. I like 3 the best. 1 is too much of a gimmick and 2 is too much like the Steve Rogers/Sharon Carter thing. 1 that Nerdist put out there that would be crazy, but could be amazing: It's actually Martian Manhunter recruiting Diana for something. Seriously?
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Post by politicidal on Jun 15, 2018 2:50:57 GMT
I can't see them riffing off Winter Soldier (knock on wood) and make him brainwashed. Or it being a trick (seems pricey and a tad too mean spirited for lack of a better word). Until otherwise, all I can suggest is 'magic'. Either Zeus or someone else saved him and/or revived him.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 15, 2018 10:00:43 GMT
ah, Jenkins & Co are too smart for this. This looks like a publicity stunt. Steve was presumed dead in JL, and on the photo hasn't aged despite this being 65+ years later.
Probably a Kyle Rees cameo like in Terminator 2, or a ghost mentoring thing like in Dexter. That would not take away from the stakes and character development of the first film.
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Post by James Bond on Jun 15, 2018 16:06:19 GMT
ah, Jenkins & Co are too smart for this. This looks like a publicity stunt. Steve was presumed dead in JL, and on the photo hasn't aged despite this being 65+ years later. Probably a Kyle Rees cameo like in Terminator 2, or a ghost mentoring thing like in Dexter. That would not take away from the stakes and character development of the first film. What are you talking about? Who ages in a photo? What are you saying?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 15, 2018 17:26:14 GMT
ah, Jenkins & Co are too smart for this. This looks like a publicity stunt. Steve was presumed dead in JL, and on the photo hasn't aged despite this being 65+ years later. Probably a Kyle Rees cameo like in Terminator 2, or a ghost mentoring thing like in Dexter. That would not take away from the stakes and character development of the first film. What are you talking about? Who ages in a photo? What are you saying? did you ever read The Portrait of Dorian Gray? I did in 1984 and it was about some big brother guy watching him while not really aging in his portrayal. Same thing here (ACHTUNG, heavy SPOILER): shouldn't Steve rather than this look like this (or even worse if possible) in 1984
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Post by James Bond on Jun 15, 2018 17:43:45 GMT
What are you talking about? Who ages in a photo? What are you saying? did you ever read The Portrait of Dorian Gray? I did in 1984 and it was about some big brother guy watching him while not really aging in his portrayal. Same thing here (ACHTUNG, heavy SPOILER): shouldn't Steve rather than this look like this (or even worse if possible) in 1984 I think I get what you're saying now but you phrased it very badly. "on the photo hasn't aged" is very unclear and doesn't make any sense.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 16, 2018 5:18:24 GMT
3 theories I think it could be: 1. It's an illusion or trick. Urzkartaga is a god after all, and Cheetah is the villain, so it could be a version of his powers. 2. It's Steve's grandson (great-grandson maybe? what's the math on that?) 3. Ares didn't kill all of the gods and Zeus survived. Zeus stepped in and saved Steve from the explosion. I like 3 the best. 1 is too much of a gimmick and 2 is too much like the Steve Rogers/Sharon Carter thing. 1 that Nerdist put out there that would be crazy, but could be amazing: It's actually Martian Manhunter recruiting Diana for something. DC isn't going to have a lame "frozen in ice for 70 years" gimmick. And this isn't proof that DCEU is bringing Steve Trevor back to life. It was basically confirmed in Justice League that Steve Trevor was killed in WWI. Some people have speculated that it's a flashback scene or that Chris Pine is playing Steve Trevor's grandson (similar to how Lyle Waggoner played the original Steve Trevor in Season 1 of the TV series and then played Steve Trevor's son in Seasons 2 and 3 of the TV series). But there's another possibility - it's a dream sequence. Geoff Johns co-wrote the story for Wonder Woman II so he's very familiar with the episode of Justice League Unlimited titled "For the Man Who Has Everything". Season 1 of the Supergirl TV series had a similar episode titled "For the Girl Who Has Everything". This could be similar, with a villain putting Diana in a dream sequence and showing her living her life with Steve Trevor by her side.
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Post by nemesis617 on Jun 16, 2018 6:38:16 GMT
There is also speculation that this is not Steve Trevor at all but maybe Clayface or Martian Manhunter. So anything is possible.
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Post by darkpast on Jun 16, 2018 7:36:35 GMT
magic box
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 16, 2018 15:04:17 GMT
He's secretly Ares in disguise.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 16, 2018 17:38:40 GMT
There is also speculation that this is not Steve Trevor at all but maybe Clayface or Martian Manhunter. So anything is possible. I highly doubt either of those scenarios are possibilities.
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Post by nemesis617 on Jun 17, 2018 0:16:56 GMT
There is also speculation that this is not Steve Trevor at all but maybe Clayface or Martian Manhunter. So anything is possible. I highly doubt either of those scenarios are possibilities. I agree it is highly unlikely but stranger things have happened in the DC Universe.
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Post by leesilm on Jun 17, 2018 1:29:51 GMT
What if, through time/reality altering/magic, Steve is brought back and he helps Diana save the day, but in order for her to truly save the day, she has to hit a reset button/change dimensions/etc. and because of that, the Steve that was given back to her disappears? Or, conversely, something happens at the end where she has changed reality/timeline/something, and suddenly lots of things have changed but only she and Cheeta (or some other character) can remember the original timeline/events/dimension, and in this new one, Steve is alive but Diana doesn't see him till JUSTICE LEAGUE 2/WONDER WOMAN 3?
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 17, 2018 15:15:38 GMT
3 theories I think it could be: 1. It's an illusion or trick. Urzkartaga is a god after all, and Cheetah is the villain, so it could be a version of his powers. 2. It's Steve's grandson (great-grandson maybe? what's the math on that?) 3. Ares didn't kill all of the gods and Zeus survived. Zeus stepped in and saved Steve from the explosion. I like 3 the best. 1 is too much of a gimmick and 2 is too much like the Steve Rogers/Sharon Carter thing. 1 that Nerdist put out there that would be crazy, but could be amazing: It's actually Martian Manhunter recruiting Diana for something. DC isn't going to have a lame "frozen in ice for 70 years" gimmick. And this isn't proof that DCEU is bringing Steve Trevor back to life. It was basically confirmed in Justice League that Steve Trevor was killed in WWI. Some people have speculated that it's a flashback scene or that Chris Pine is playing Steve Trevor's grandson (similar to how Lyle Waggoner played the original Steve Trevor in Season 1 of the TV series and then played Steve Trevor's son in Seasons 2 and 3 of the TV series). But there's another possibility - it's a dream sequence. Geoff Johns co-wrote the story for Wonder Woman II so he's very familiar with the episode of Justice League Unlimited titled "For the Man Who Has Everything". Season 1 of the Supergirl TV series had a similar episode titled "For the Girl Who Has Everything". This could be similar, with a villain putting Diana in a dream sequence and showing her living her life with Steve Trevor by her side. They've already entered Captain America country with the first movie. Her getting with the grandson of Steve is like Steve getting with the niece of Peggy Carter. It's par for the course.
How can it be a flashback when he is wearing 80s clothing?
They might as well go the grandson route because Steve will not look young like that in the 80s. A dream sequence of her living with Steve in the 80s would not make sense.
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