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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jun 20, 2018 21:16:44 GMT
We all know who is his mother now Lyanna Stark For me it would be cersei Lannister this story would be so much more inetersting having cersei be the birth mother of Jon snow . who would you have liked to be Jon snows mother ?
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Post by Seto on Jun 24, 2018 13:03:07 GMT
Ashara Dayne.
The show never mentions her, in the books she is an old flame of Ned Stark. I just prefer Jon being Ned's bastard, rather than having any Targaryen blood in him.
I'm curious... How on earth could Cersei being his mother even work??
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 24, 2018 13:16:26 GMT
Ashara Dayne. The show never mentions her, in the books she is an old flame of Ned Stark. I just prefer Jon being Ned's bastard, rather than having any Targaryen blood in him. I'm curious... How on earth could Cersei being his mother even work?? In the books Ashara is old flame of Lord Stark? I thought they were just rumours. I do also not like Jon being Targaryen. I have never warmed up to Targaryens. I just don't like them.
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Post by Seto on Jun 24, 2018 13:23:32 GMT
In the books Ashara is old flame of Lord Stark? I thought they were just rumours. I do also not like Jon being Targaryen. I have never warmed up to Targaryens. I just don't like them. To be fair, very few events that happened before the books timeline are concrete. Reading between the lines, Ned at least had a crush on Ashara at the very minimum.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 14:51:54 GMT
I never really cared that much about who his mother was. I am fine with it being Lyanna Stark .
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jun 26, 2018 23:34:43 GMT
Ashara Dayne. The show never mentions her, in the books she is an old flame of Ned Stark. I just prefer Jon being Ned's bastard, rather than having any Targaryen blood in him. I'm curious... How on earth could Cersei being his mother even work?? That's a good choice but I think the is a reason why GRMM didn't want to make ned stark Jon snows real father this is is the scene when I watched back at season 1 when cersei was talking to catelyn about her black haired son its actually one of my favorite cersei scenes very genuine and real I do not think she was faking it here even though she and Jamie were the reason bran was in that bed , but I think for first time cersei had shown a vulnerable side and loved she had long hair here anyway ever since that scene made me think of the possibility of cersei being jons mother and somehow the boy ended up in ned Starks Hands but then when the Lyanna/Rhaeger revelation came out that theory was lost gone i just think with the war and hate that broke out between the Starks and lannisters for cersei to have her own son be alive and living with people she hated and blamed for killing Joffrey would have made this story more compelling , Jon earned for his mother only to find out was the same woman he loathed , I would have loved to see a mother son confrontation ,would he have killed his own mother if he found out ? Then think of all the possibilities with arya she loves Jon but hates cersei , if I was writing this story I would have taken this direction than the usual Romeo Juliet from opposite families falling in love BORING. anyway here is the link to the scene I'm talking about
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Post by Seto on Jun 27, 2018 0:51:08 GMT
Jonsa, so in your headcannon Jon is Robert and Cersei's first born son?? Interesting. But I guess I have to ask, why would Ned take Robert's baby and raise him as his own bastard???
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Post by Marv on Jun 27, 2018 0:58:41 GMT
Nobody. The Virgin Ned had him as a gift from Rhllor. He is the Son of Rhllor, Jon Fire.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jun 27, 2018 11:32:36 GMT
Jonsa, so in your headcannon Jon is Robert and Cersei's first born son?? Interesting. But I guess I have to ask, why would Ned take Robert's baby and raise him as his own bastard??? I guess it would have made more sense and be easier to explain if the baby was Roberts and Lyannas , I mean Robert even called out Lyannas name on his wedding night to cersei so they gave us some hints that could have been an option and that Lyanna and Robert were truly in love Lyanna pregnant Robert never knew stayed married to cersei and to protect the baby from the lannisters ned took him in kept his promise to his sister ,obviously Robert never cared for cersei , now how Jon snow would end up at ned Starks hands of he was the son of cersei and Robert? Only theory I can think of baby accidentally fell in Ned Starks hands if the theory of a baby switch /twin happened with his companion Howard reed one baby went to Howard the other to Ned stark , cersei said something very inetersting to catelyn in that video that robert her back when crows (?) came to take the dying baby away , I didn't understand that part I thought lannisters buried their dead , so right there that could have been a hint the baby was still alive and inetersting she mentioned either crows what nights watch usually are called or she said Ravens , maybe Ned knowing that Robert loved his sister was fearful that cersei may not love his child and knowing what a drunk enough fool Robert was he opted to raise the baby as his own and for this to work I would want catelyn to know the truth . So there could have been ways to explain it I think , I just don't find it very exciting or inetersting that something we have seen in movies and shows over and over play out was so revealing having a stark and a Targaryen.jon snow looks more like a Baratheon . also gendry could be Cerseis only thing he knows of his mother she had yellow hair. At the same time I always wondered why in the world didn't Ned stark tell the truth to his wife catelyn ? Who Jon snow really was . cat no matter what was a reasponsible woman a good mother to her children a devoted wife would have accepted a mistake her sister in law made and welcome The baby in the family instead of making her believe in this love affair he had while away and all it did was end up treating Jon with not much respect and hostility.these are holes I think show never explained .
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 27, 2018 13:59:03 GMT
At the same time I always wondered why in the world didn't Ned stark tell the truth to his wife catelyn ? Who Jon snow really was . cat no matter what was a reasponsible woman a good mother to her children a devoted wife would have accepted a mistake her sister in law made and welcome The baby in the family instead of making her believe in this love affair he had while away and all it did was end up treating Jon with not much respect and hostility.these are holes I think show never explained . Ned Stark was a collectivist, an individual despising arsehole who expected anyone and his dog to sacrifice themselves for some lofty stupidity. "The pack survives". He thought that Jon wasting himself at the Wall, his wife living with an unpleasant lie all her life or thousands being thrown into a useless war for some "rightful king" were prices people had to pay. He thought no more of men than of dirt. "I learned to die long ago…" Such people were born to be used, not to rule others. "You're just a soldier, aren't you? You take your orders and you carry on. I guess it makes sense. Your brother was trained to lead and you were trained to follow."
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Post by shinnickneth on Jun 27, 2018 14:48:05 GMT
In the books Ashara is old flame of Lord Stark? I thought they were just rumours. I do also not like Jon being Targaryen. I have never warmed up to Targaryens. I just don't like them. Yeah, I thought they were rumors too. Rumors that Ned decided to not correct as it supported other characters jumping to conclusions about Jon's parentage.
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 27, 2018 15:01:14 GMT
In the books Ashara is old flame of Lord Stark? I thought they were just rumours. I do also not like Jon being Targaryen. I have never warmed up to Targaryens. I just don't like them. Yeah, I thought they were rumors too. Rumors that Ned decided to not correct as it supported other characters jumping to conclusions about Jon's parentage. Yes, I also think Ned deliberately let that rumour go unopposed just so that Jon's real parentage is not revealed.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jun 27, 2018 15:20:51 GMT
I guess it would have made more sense and be easier to explain if the baby was Roberts and Lyannas , I mean Robert even called out Lyannas name on his wedding night to cersei so they gave us some hints that could have been an option and that Lyanna and Robert were truly in love Lyanna pregnant Robert never knew stayed married to cersei and to protect the baby from the lannisters ned took him in kept his promise to his sister ,obviously Robert never cared for cersei , now how Jon snow would end up at ned Starks hands of he was the son of cersei and Robert? There's hints about the union of Rhaegar/Lyanna. Oberyn Martell talks about how Rhaegar rode right past his sister (Elia) at the tourney and placed flowers in Lyanna's lap. There's also discussion between Ned/Robert and Sansa/Littlefinger in the crypts that drop hints about the two. Game of Thrones is a story full of unrequited love: - Elia Martell loves Rhaegar Targaryen but he doesn't want her. He wants Lyanna Stark. - Jaime Lannister wants Cersei but they can't be together due to expectations/taboos. She settles for Robert Baratheon (whom she actually adores at the beginning) but he doesn't want her. Robert wants Lyanna Stark, but she doesn't want him. She wants Rhaegar Targaryen. - Lysa Tully adores Petyr Baelish but he doesn't want her. Petyr wants Catelyn Stark, but she doesn't want him. She wants Brandon Stark. He dies. She marries Ned Stark instead. - Jorah Mormont wants Dany but apparently she doesn't want him. Daario Naharis wants Dany too but she doesn't want him either. She wants Jon Snow. - Tyrion wants Shae but he can't have her. He marries Sansa but she doesn't want him. She wants Joffrey until he turns out to be a little shit and then she wants Loras. She can't have Loras though and ends up eventually marrying Ramsay. - Loras wants Renly. Renly dies. Loras decides then to fuck everyone with a penis who will have him (including Male Prostitute Number 4). This is a great departure from the books where Loras chooses to go celibate after Renly dies for he truly loved Renly and no one can compare to him. Loras says this about Renly in the books, "When the sun has set, no candle can replace it."
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jul 12, 2018 19:48:33 GMT
I guess it would have made more sense and be easier to explain if the baby was Roberts and Lyannas , I mean Robert even called out Lyannas name on his wedding night to cersei so they gave us some hints that could have been an option and that Lyanna and Robert were truly in love Lyanna pregnant Robert never knew stayed married to cersei and to protect the baby from the lannisters ned took him in kept his promise to his sister ,obviously Robert never cared for cersei , now how Jon snow would end up at ned Starks hands of he was the son of cersei and Robert? There's hints about the union of Rhaegar/Lyanna. Oberyn Martell talks about how Rhaegar rode right past his sister (Elia) at the tourney and placed flowers in Lyanna's lap. There's also discussion between Ned/Robert and Sansa/Littlefinger in the crypts that drop hints about the two. Game of Thrones is a story full of unrequited love: - Elia Martell loves Rhaegar Targaryen but he doesn't want her. He wants Lyanna Stark. - Jaime Lannister wants Cersei but they can't be together due to expectations/taboos. She settles for Robert Baratheon (whom she actually adores at the beginning) but he doesn't want her. Robert wants Lyanna Stark, but she doesn't want him. She wants Rhaegar Targaryen. - Lysa Tully adores Petyr Baelish but he doesn't want her. Petyr wants Catelyn Stark, but she doesn't want him. She wants Brandon Stark. He dies. She marries Ned Stark instead. - Jorah Mormont wants Dany but apparently she doesn't want him. Daario Naharis wants Dany too but she doesn't want him either. She wants Jon Snow. - Tyrion wants Shae but he can't have her. He marries Sansa but she doesn't want him. She wants Joffrey until he turns out to be a little shit and then she wants Loras. She can't have Loras though and ends up eventually marrying Ramsay. - Loras wants Renly. Renly dies. Loras decides then to fuck everyone with a penis who will have him (including Male Prostitute Number 4). This is a great departure from the books where Loras chooses to go celibate after Renly dies for he truly loved Renly and no one can compare to him. Loras says this about Renly in the books, "When the sun has set, no candle can replace it." its true on this show people are in love with people who love someone esle or want someone else . this is why i strongly believe in my JONSA theory it was very evident DANY is in LOVE with jon snow , jon is not ,only people who believe jon snow loves daenyrys are the delusional jonerys fans
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Post by shinnickneth on Jul 12, 2018 21:14:12 GMT
its true on this show people are in love with people who love someone esle or want someone else . this is why i strongly believe in my JONSA theory it was very evident DANY is in LOVE with jon snow , jon is not ,only people who believe jon snow loves daenyrys are the delusional jonerys fans I think the two actors (Jon/Dany) have zero chemistry together. I actually didn't even get that they were "in love" with each other by the dialogue in the show. It wasn't until I watched one of the Inside the Episodes that HBO airs after each episode, that I finally "got" they were meant to portray sexual undertones with each other. In it, the actors said something about their love for each other and I was like... I didn't get that at all from their behavior.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 12, 2018 21:19:13 GMT
its true on this show people are in love with people who love someone esle or want someone else . this is why i strongly believe in my JONSA theory it was very evident DANY is in LOVE with jon snow , jon is not ,only people who believe jon snow loves daenyrys are the delusional jonerys fans I think the two actors (Jon/Dany) have zero chemistry together. I actually didn't even get that they were "in love" with each other by the dialogue in the show. Truer words have never been spoken. The pairing of Jon and Dany has absolutely zero chemistry. The whole stupid hyped up boat sex scene was a total garbage thrown on us.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jul 12, 2018 22:18:11 GMT
I think the two actors (Jon/Dany) have zero chemistry together. I actually didn't even get that they were "in love" with each other by the dialogue in the show. Truer words have never been spoken. The pairing of Jon and Dany has absolutely zero chemistry. The whole stupid hyped up boat sex scene was a total garbage thrown on us. Was it the actor's fault or simply that the whole thing was so far fetched and contrived, it couldn't have been made to work anyway? This is the kind of discussions which make me happy not to have seen the trash, by the way.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jul 13, 2018 0:14:41 GMT
Truer words have never been spoken. The pairing of Jon and Dany has absolutely zero chemistry. The whole stupid hyped up boat sex scene was a total garbage thrown on us. Was it the actor's fault or simply that the whole thing was so far fetched and contrived, it couldn't have been made to work anyway? This is the kind of discussions which make me happy not to have seen the trash, by the way. I agree with all of you , this is why it makes me so angry sometimes when they (D&D) had Dany and Jon have sex just to please a group of fans who were fantazing since season 1 , episode 1 Jon and Dany would get together because they were so good looking together and they are meant to to be together ,and restore targaryens and some other nonsense ,meanwhile they never shared a scene together until many years later and we all saw what happened when they did , there is 0 chemistry they don't even look good together I didn't really enjoy their dialogue either , Dany is bossy bitchy bend the knee or else and Jon looks like her puppy doing what she tells him and a fool becoming her prisoner,I may support my jonsa theory but I actually seen things and chemistry between two people when they met and had scenes together that made me and others think of this possibility , actually Sansa Jon scenes have more passion with no sex involved than Dany and Jon sex scene which was the most unromantic pathetic love scene I ever watch. Jon going to her door like a hired gigolo I mean I'm sorry but I can't .. I think GRMM in the books will never have Dany and Jon have sex he even hinted that in one of the GOT conventions with some delusional fans shouting back at him to do it , unless he too caves in this stupidity.
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Jul 13, 2018 4:14:14 GMT
Old nan.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jul 13, 2018 4:59:06 GMT
Was it the actor's fault or simply that the whole thing was so far fetched and contrived, it couldn't have been made to work anyway? This is the kind of discussions which make me happy not to have seen the trash, by the way. I agree with all of you , this is why it makes me so angry sometimes when they (D&D) had Dany and Jon have sex just to please a group of fans who were fantazing since season 1 , episode 1 Jon and Dany would get together because they were so good looking together and they are meant to to be together ,and restore targaryens and some other nonsense ,meanwhile they never shared a scene together until many years later and we all saw what happened when they did , there is 0 chemistry they don't even look good together I didn't really enjoy their dialogue either, Dany is bossy bitchy bend the knee or else and Jon looks like her puppy doing what she tells him and a fool becoming her prisoner. … Jon going to her door like a hired gigolo I mean I'm sorry but I can't .. I think GRMM in the books will never have Dany and Jon have sex he even hinted that in one of the GOT conventions with some delusional fans shouting back at him to do it , unless he too caves in this stupidity. There is no possible "chemistry" between both characters in the first place. She's a slut and he's still caught up in his feelings for another. She is a tyrant who wants to rule the world at dragon point, he wants to save everyone no matter who they are. Their political alliance should be necessary and uneasy. Both have something the other needs, not wants and their drivers are opposites. This should be in continuation with GRRM's principle of placing his characters in conflict with themselves, of choosing a lesser evil.
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