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Post by Marv on Jun 26, 2018 14:05:38 GMT
I loved and hated Tywins death. Because it was wonderful to see Tyrion get some semblance of revenge but Charles Dance was brilliant as Tywin and stole most of the scenes where he had any bit of dialog.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 26, 2018 14:33:56 GMT
I loved and hated Tywins death. Because it was wonderful to see Tyrion get some semblance of revenge but Charles Dance was brilliant as Tywin and stole most of the scenes where he had any bit of dialog. I was devastated  I lost both Tywin and Tyrion that day. I had not given up on Tyrion, even though I had lost much sympathy for him at the trial but that was unforgivable. I hope he and Varys sink in the Narrow Sea. |
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Post by movieliker on Jun 26, 2018 16:42:16 GMT
Davos went to war with Stannis because he believed Stannis was the rightful king. He also believed that Stannis was a just human being. He had seen his justice. He had felt his justice. And you have made into a premise that the war was unnecessary. Lannister rule which had already produced a wicked king in Joffrey is fine but Stannis's war against unjust people and false heir is unnecessary? That's a biased way of looking at things. There was nothing wrong with Robert's rule and certainly nothing that warranted a war to replace his son. Davos says in this very scene that he follows Stannis because of what he owes him. You choose to ignore it and invent another motive for him because you want to like him. You also choose to invent that others went to war against Joffrey "because he was wicked" when that point was never made by any of them. Stannis went to war because he had an excuse for it, not because it was needed. That makes you the blind and biased one, in addition to advocating war for the benefit of one privileged individual. Good people are willing to sacrifice for principle. Jon Snow, Arya, even Tyren (the dwarf guy), etc. have sacrificed self desire for the benefit of others. Arya is not afraid to die for justice. Self survival is not her primary motivation. The only concern of the Lanisters is self survival. They will cheat, injure, and kill anybody --- no matter how undeserving --- as long as it benefits the Lanisters. That is selfish, greedy and cowardly. Heroes self sacrifice for others. The Lanisters don't sacrifice for anybody. All they care about is themselves. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 26, 2018 17:52:49 GMT
There was nothing wrong with Robert's rule and certainly nothing that warranted a war to replace his son. Davos says in this very scene that he follows Stannis because of what he owes him. You choose to ignore it and invent another motive for him because you want to like him. You also choose to invent that others went to war against Joffrey "because he was wicked" when that point was never made by any of them. Stannis went to war because he had an excuse for it, not because it was needed. That makes you the blind and biased one, in addition to advocating war for the benefit of one privileged individual. Good people are willing to sacrifice for principle. No, only idiots are and arseholes sacrifice others. You're a complete dumbfuck if you can't see this. Or a collectivist piece of shit. |
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Post by movieliker on Jun 26, 2018 18:27:31 GMT
Good people are willing to sacrifice for principle. No, only idiots are and arseholes sacrifice others. You're a complete dumbfuck if you can't see this. Or a collectivist piece of shit. Sorry, you are wrong. It is the definition of heroism to sacrifice oneself for the benefit of others. And it far more noble than someone whose only concern is their own benefit. You sound like a psychopath. The definition of a psychopath is one who has no sympathy or empathy for others. Psychopaths feel they can and should be able to do anything and everything as long as it benefits themselves. Even lie, cheat, steal and kill. That is the Lanisters in a nutshell. As least as far as what I have seen by the end of season 4. |
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 26, 2018 21:35:20 GMT
Davos went to war with Stannis because he believed Stannis was the rightful king. He also believed that Stannis was a just human being. He had seen his justice. He had felt his justice. And you have made into a premise that the war was unnecessary. Lannister rule which had already produced a wicked king in Joffrey is fine but Stannis's war against unjust people and false heir is unnecessary? That's a biased way of looking at things. There was nothing wrong with Robert's rule and certainly nothing that warranted a war to replace his son. Davos says in this very scene that he follows Stannis because of what he owes him. You choose to ignore it and invent another motive for him because you want to like him. You also choose to invent that others went to war against Joffrey "because he was wicked" when that point was never made by any of them. Stannis went to war because he had an excuse for it, not because it was needed. That makes you the blind and biased one, in addition to advocating war for the benefit of one privileged individual. You t If there was a voting in my country and it occurred that a party won by doing some mischief in the counting process then should everyone just forget that cheating because the new government is not looking bad? of course the people of the country should rightly try to bring the cheater down. The same with Stannis. He went to war because he was the legit heir. And yes, while Robert's rule was not so terrible, it doesn't seem to difficult to believe Lanister rule or bastard rule would have been terrible. Joff was a sadistic psychopath not to forget the least. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 27, 2018 1:20:24 GMT
There was nothing wrong with Robert's rule and certainly nothing that warranted a war to replace his son. Davos says in this very scene that he follows Stannis because of what he owes him. You choose to ignore it and invent another motive for him because you want to like him. You also choose to invent that others went to war against Joffrey "because he was wicked" when that point was never made by any of them. Stannis went to war because he had an excuse for it, not because it was needed. That makes you the blind and biased one, in addition to advocating war for the benefit of one privileged individual. You t If there was a voting in my country and it occurred that a party won by doing some mischief in the counting process then should everyone just forget that cheating because the new government is not looking bad? of course the people of the country should rightly try to bring the cheater down. At the price of war? Do you seriously think that cheating for office would warrant the death of thousands so one rich privileged member of the ruling elite can get his right to sit instead of the cheating one? This whole story is strictly equivalent to having someone decide to take control of part of the US military and march it onto Washington through the whole country on the unproven accusation that Obama's birth certificate was fake (an accusation which has actually been thrown around for a long time by some of his opponents). I find it hard to believe that people can be blind enough not to see this. They talk as if they would sit there chanting "Justice!" at the price of their future, their life or that of their children. Absolute dumbfucks. |
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