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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 26, 2018 19:26:47 GMT
goz Ill be crystal clear... two people of the same sex, having sex, is immoral. that's why I said what I said in that those who not only accept that, but especially promote it, are going against God. So is eating shrimp, wearing more than two blends of fabric, and women wearing pants. I trust everyone who thinks homosexuality is immoral has never done any of those things either, right? Never gets old
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 26, 2018 22:01:41 GMT
Pretty sure some sects of Hinduism accept it rather than encourage. Krishna was said to take form of a transgender in one story and many other gods have embraced non-heterosexual themes. The condition of transgenders deteriorated a lot after colonial era. Historically, they were considered divine. God Shiva and Rama gave their blessings to transgenders, who were supposed to be part of any any family or social celebrations. There have been transgender deities. One of Shiva's form is also a transgender and frequently worshipped by them.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 26, 2018 22:40:37 GMT
Pretty sure some sects of Hinduism accept it rather than encourage. Krishna was said to take form of a transgender in one story and many other gods have embraced non-heterosexual themes. The condition of transgenders deteriorated a lot after colonial era. Historically, they were considered divine. God Shiva and Rama gave their blessings to transgenders, who were supposed to be part of any any family or social celebrations. There have been transgender deities. One of Shiva's form is also a transgender and frequently worshipped by them. When you say transgenders in this context, do you actually mean hermaphrodites? Humans with both male and female genitals?
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 26, 2018 22:46:48 GMT
The condition of transgenders deteriorated a lot after colonial era. Historically, they were considered divine. God Shiva and Rama gave their blessings to transgenders, who were supposed to be part of any any family or social celebrations. There have been transgender deities. One of Shiva's form is also a transgender and frequently worshipped by them. When you say transgenders in this context, do you actually mean hermaphrodites? Humans with both male and female genitals? No anyone who identifies as transgender. While the descriptions of deities are somewhat exaggerated (as in case of any deity in Hinduism), the deities are supposed to represent any people who differed from traditional male or female gender identification. Even in my childhood days I remember that transgenders were invited in marriages or such functions as they were considered lucky. Sadly though things have not been that good for them for last 300 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 22:49:28 GMT
I know there are religions that are against it, but I'm curious if there are any that not only accepts it but encourages it? How about Christianity the way Jesus preached it?
Know what Jesus said about gays and homosexuality?
Absolutely Nothing!!!
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Post by goz on Jun 26, 2018 23:34:59 GMT
So is eating shrimp, wearing more than two blends of fabric, and women wearing pants. I trust everyone who thinks homosexuality is immoral has never done any of those things either, right? Never gets old I agree. This classic comparison never gets old because it exemplifies the picking and choosing and cherry picking of the words of the Bible according to an agenda, when convenient by the exponents to do so. A very convenient book. Sad that people base their lives and morals around its inconsistencies, especially when it means condemning others and discriminating against them. How 'Christian'!
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 27, 2018 11:06:43 GMT
How about Christianity the way Jesus preached it?
Know what Jesus said about gays and homosexuality?
Absolutely Nothing!!!
Paul condemned homosexuality though. And Christians haven't exactly expurgated Leviticus from the Bible. Jesus defined marriage and never condoned sex outside of that marriage definition, so it isn't just Paul. Nearly every book in the NT addresses in one shape or another the notion of what sex, if not orientation, means in relation to being a Christian. Of course, that means nothing to what people outside of its teachings do, so it is always a weird thing that people try their best to conflate the two. Of course Part II, there are plenty of churches that gay folks can join that lets them boink freely anyway, so it's also always a weird thing that people ignore that very obvious fact. Gay people who want to boink and also want to join a church that doesn't want them boinking are idiots.
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Post by captainbryce on Jun 27, 2018 11:17:54 GMT
goz Ill be crystal clear... two people of the same sex, having sex, is immoral. What you said is an interesting opinion. But let me be crystal clear, that opinion is one that you couldn’t in a million years support logically. In no reasonable argument whatsoever are you or anyone else capable of legitimizing the idea that homosexual relations are “immoral” in any way (which is why it’s never been successful argued before by any religious person here). The BEST argument you could possibly come up with to validate this nonsensical belief is “because God said so”, a futile argument considering that not only is that a non-answer that fails to speak on the issue of morality at all, but it also relies totally on the circular reasoning that “God” exists in the first place (of which there is no evidence). So ultimately there is no demonstrable, recognizable moral grounds to any objective person for which to declare that homosexuality is “immoral” in any way. It simply doesn’t exist! You’re welcome to make the attempt, but I promise you won’t be able to. And that alone makes your assertion rather hollow.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 27, 2018 16:41:32 GMT
So is eating shrimp, wearing more than two blends of fabric, and women wearing pants. I trust everyone who thinks homosexuality is immoral has never done any of those things either, right? How is that relevant? You're referring to Hebrew tribal law in Leviticus. The Old Testament says "thou shall not kill". Does violating the prohibition on shrimp also mean it's okay to murder? It's very relevant. Don't pick and choose what parts of religion you want to follow. Either you follow it all or mind your own business if you don't. Actually, even if you do follow it all, mind your own business.
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Post by captainbryce on Jun 27, 2018 16:45:36 GMT
Paul condemned homosexuality though. And Christians haven't exactly expurgated Leviticus from the Bible. Jesus defined marriage and never condoned sex outside of that marriage definition, so it isn't just Paul. Nearly every book in the NT addresses in one shape or another the notion of what sex, if not orientation, means in relation to being a Christian. Actually Jesus never “definedl marrauge at all. He quoted a specific description of marriage (referencing the Old Testament) regarding a TYPE of marriage that was common and recognized in his time. And the context in which he described it was after he was asked by religious leaders about a man divorcing his wife. His answer was therefore relevant to that type of marriage. Had he been asked whether a man could divorce his husband, he might have very well answered differently, but he wasn’t. He wasn’t asked anything about gay marriage, so his answer about straight marriage doesn’t limit the scope of the definition in any way. Furthermore, most of the books in the NT that you are referring to are attributed to Paul (not Jesus), so as far as the NT is concerned, it IS “just Paul” expressing HIS opinion about sins (some of which is actually contradicted earlier in the NT by Jesus and the other Apostles)
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 27, 2018 17:01:07 GMT
goz Ill be crystal clear... two people of the same sex, having sex, is immoral. What you said is an interesting opinion. But let me be crystal clear, that opinion is one that you couldn’t in a million years support logically. In no reasonable argument whatsoever are you or anyone else capable of legitimizing the idea that homosexual relations are “immoral” in any way (which is why it’s never been successful argued before by any religious person here). The BEST argument you could possibly come up with to validate this nonsensical belief is “because God said so”, a futile argument considering that not only is that a non-answer that fails to speak on the issue of morality at all, but it also relies totally on the circular reasoning that “God” exists in the first place (of which there is no evidence). So ultimately there is no demonstrable, recognizable moral grounds to any objective person for which to declare that homosexuality is “immoral” in any way. It simply doesn’t exist! You’re welcome to make the attempt, but I promise you won’t be able to. And that alone makes your assertion rather hollow. Well to be fair, majority of talks about morality/immorality is really very difficult to back up with logic.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 28, 2018 10:44:25 GMT
Gay Christian is not an oxymoron.There's tons of them.
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Post by mrellaguru on Jun 28, 2018 17:12:09 GMT
There must be some goddess nature religions that encourage lesbianism.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 23:11:37 GMT
Paul condemned homosexuality though. And Christians haven't exactly expurgated Leviticus from the Bible. Jesus defined marriage and never condoned sex outside of that marriage definition, so it isn't just Paul. Nearly every book in the NT addresses in one shape or another the notion of what sex, if not orientation, means in relation to being a Christian. Of course, that means nothing to what people outside of its teachings do, so it is always a weird thing that people try their best to conflate the two. Of course Part II, there are plenty of churches that gay folks can join that lets them boink freely anyway, so it's also always a weird thing that people ignore that very obvious fact. Gay people who want to boink and also want to join a church that doesn't want them boinking are idiots. Now that gays can get married, gays should be able to live sin free.
Before 1967, it was a crime for different races to get married in the US.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 4, 2018 2:28:05 GMT
Jesus defined marriage and never condoned sex outside of that marriage definition, so it isn't just Paul. Nearly every book in the NT addresses in one shape or another the notion of what sex, if not orientation, means in relation to being a Christian. Of course, that means nothing to what people outside of its teachings do, so it is always a weird thing that people try their best to conflate the two. Of course Part II, there are plenty of churches that gay folks can join that lets them boink freely anyway, so it's also always a weird thing that people ignore that very obvious fact. Gay people who want to boink and also want to join a church that doesn't want them boinking are idiots. Now that gays can get married, gays should be able to live sin free.
Before 1967, it was a crime for different races to get married in the US.
It's not a crime to be gay and what is legal or not legal is irrelevant to that which is sinful. Most sins are legal to do.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 4, 2018 13:30:16 GMT
Gay Christian is not an oxymoron.There's tons of them. I know there are gay Christians. The Bible teaches that every man is a "sinner". I'm saying that Christianity condemns homosexuality. You can't in good faith be having homosexual intercourse and profess to be a practicing Christian at the same time. Well, you said it yourself. If everyone is a sinner, then every Christian is a sinner which means every Christian sins. Now relishing in the sin is a different story and on that front, a gay person may have stronger levels of guilt or more frequent bouts with repentance...but probably not. It's akin to a devout Christian male who lives with their girlfriend.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 4, 2018 16:35:03 GMT
Well, you said it yourself. If everyone is a sinner, then every Christian is a sinner which means every Christian sins. Now relishing in the sin is a different story and on that front, a gay person may have stronger levels of guilt or more frequent bouts with repentance...but probably not. It's akin to a devout Christian male who lives with their girlfriend. Yes, like Christian fornicators, Christian adulterers, Christian thieves ... they're all oxymorons. Yet I never hear anyone use those terms. But there are organizations which call themselves Gay Christians. No adulterer thinks his sex life is compatible with Christianity. Why should a homosexual? Be true to yourself. If you're gay and proud, either leave your lover and follow the Bible, or stop calling yourself a "Gay Christian". That's like saying that a Christian sinner is an oxymoron when we all know that's the norm. Further, there is nothing wrong with being a gay Christian in the first place unless one believes you are the sex you want to have.
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Post by mrellaguru on Jul 4, 2018 16:37:47 GMT
There are probably some pagan nature earth goddess religions that encourage lesbianism.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 4, 2018 16:39:03 GMT
Yes, like Christian fornicators, Christian adulterers, Christian thieves ... they're all oxymorons. Yet I never hear anyone use those terms. But there are organizations which call themselves Gay Christians. No adulterer thinks his sex life is compatible with Christianity. Why should a homosexual? Be true to yourself. If you're gay and proud, either leave your lover and follow the Bible, or stop calling yourself a "Gay Christian". That's like saying that a Christian sinner is an oxymoron when we all know that's the norm. Further, there is nothing wrong with being a gay Christian in the first place unless one believes you are the sex you want to have. I think what he means is that although Christian sinners are pretty normal, and that there are boat loads of fornicators, thieves and whatnot who are Christians, they never actually make an official group and label themselves Christian Fornicators or Christian adulterers in the same way that there's a group officially named Gay Christians.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 4, 2018 16:50:29 GMT
That's like saying that a Christian sinner is an oxymoron when we all know that's the norm. Further, there is nothing wrong with being a gay Christian in the first place unless one believes you are the sex you want to have. I think what he means is that although Christian sinners are pretty normal, and that there are boat loads of fornicators, thieves and whatnot who are Christians, they never actually make an official group and label themselves Christian Fornicators or Christian adulterers in the same way that there's a group officially named Gay Christians. The labels are al; tied to the norm. If one is a Christian, they sin. I don;t think gay Christian is comparable to sinful descriptions. Fornication covers all orientations. I don't imagine most gay Christians label themselves as gay Christians. It's more likely a label another group (Perhaps advocacy groups) or others places on them to differentiate them.
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