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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jul 18, 2018 19:58:18 GMT
You're basically saying that victims should be ignored no matter how many there are, that's not going to make things better. No one has said anything about 'ignoring victims', the whole raison d'etre of jury trial is to make certain the victim's claims are heard. Stop being disingenuous; you have no talent for it. I'm merely pointing out that men are not the victims here, and Cavill is making it sound like he is afraid of being a victim when all he has to do is not rape anyone.
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Post by amyghost on Jul 18, 2018 20:49:32 GMT
No one has said anything about 'ignoring victims', the whole raison d'etre of jury trial is to make certain the victim's claims are heard. Stop being disingenuous; you have no talent for it. I'm merely pointing out that men are not the victims here, and Cavill is making it sound like he is afraid of being a victim when all he has to do is not rape anyone. No, you're espousing the notion that, as long as someone posits themselves as a 'victim' their rights should be paramount--and the accused should have no rights that need be respected whatsoever, not even the right to face their accuser and attempt to prove their innocence.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jul 18, 2018 21:06:35 GMT
I'm merely pointing out that men are not the victims here, and Cavill is making it sound like he is afraid of being a victim when all he has to do is not rape anyone. No, you're espousing the notion that, as long as someone posits themselves as a 'victim' their rights should be paramount--and the accused should have no rights that need be respected whatsoever, not even the right to face their accuser and attempt to prove their innocence. If there's so many victims and witnesses then they definitely have rights, but you're actually against them having any. Huh.
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Post by amyghost on Jul 18, 2018 21:22:13 GMT
No, you're espousing the notion that, as long as someone posits themselves as a 'victim' their rights should be paramount--and the accused should have no rights that need be respected whatsoever, not even the right to face their accuser and attempt to prove their innocence. If there's so many victims and witnesses then they definitely have rights, but you're actually against them having any. Huh. Really? Quote specifically where I've said this. You won't be able to because I haven't, nor have I suggested anything like that idea. All you're doing is standard boilerplate for someone who's marinated their brain in group-think hysterics: place your words in your opponent's mouth and then keep insisting that those are their words, rather than your transplanted ones. Because you've so innoculated yourself against the ability to think critically, you simply expect all onlookers are as incapable of critical thought themselves, and will buy into the trick. Because it makes you comfortable to be a lemming, don't imagine that it suits everyone else to be one as well.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jul 18, 2018 22:15:43 GMT
If there's so many victims and witnesses then they definitely have rights, but you're actually against them having any. Huh. Really? Quote specifically where I've said this. You won't be able to because I haven't, nor have I suggested anything like that idea. All you're doing is standard boilerplate for someome who's marinated their brain in group-think hysterics: place your words in your opponent's mouth and then keep insisting that those are their words, rather than your transplanted ones. Because you've so innoculated yourself against the ability to think critically, you simply expect all onlookers are as incapable of critical thought themselves, and will buy into the trick. Because it makes you comfortable to be a lemming, don't imagine that it suits everyone else to be one as well. You're so angry that women are coming forward and the men (and some women) are actually paying for it. Get help.
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Post by amyghost on Jul 18, 2018 22:25:25 GMT
Really? Quote specifically where I've said this. You won't be able to because I haven't, nor have I suggested anything like that idea. All you're doing is standard boilerplate for someome who's marinated their brain in group-think hysterics: place your words in your opponent's mouth and then keep insisting that those are their words, rather than your transplanted ones. Because you've so innoculated yourself against the ability to think critically, you simply expect all onlookers are as incapable of critical thought themselves, and will buy into the trick. Because it makes you comfortable to be a lemming, don't imagine that it suits everyone else to be one as well. You're so angry that women are coming forward and the men (and some women) are actually paying for it. Get help. Stop, son. You're pathetic in your attempt to twist my words to suit your groupthink. Here's hoping that someday you acquire the ability to hear what others are actually saying to you, as opposed to your conveniently--and erroneously--filtered version of it. Again, quote to me where I've at any point said or implied that victims have no rights or should be ignored. Once more, you can't because it hasn't been said, by me or anyone else here. So, in response--because you can't do so--you stick out your lower lip, pout, and post foolishness like the above. Trust me, if you think you're helping anyone with that sort of nonsense, think again. Putting your brain in park doesn't make you a useful ally, only a useful idiot.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jul 18, 2018 22:31:23 GMT
You're so angry that women are coming forward and the men (and some women) are actually paying for it. Get help. Stop, son. You're pathetic in your attempt to twist my words to suit your groupthink. Here's hoping that someday you acquire the ability to hear what others are actually saying to you, as opposed to your conveniently--and erroneously--filtered version of it. Again, quote to me where I've at any point said or implied that victims have no rights or should be ignored. Once more, you can't because it hasn't been said, by me or anyone else here. So, in response--becuase you can't do so--you stick out your lower lip, pout, and post foolishness like the above. Trust me, if you think you're helping anyone with that sort of nonsense, think again. Putting your brain in park doesn't make you a useful ally, only a useful idiot. I'm choosing not to resort to copying your attitude. The people being accused are not the victims here, any accusations that didn't hold up have been dismissed. I try to make an effort to only speak online the way I do in the real world, clearly you do not as you would no longer be able to type or speak.
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Post by amyghost on Jul 18, 2018 22:39:21 GMT
Stop, son. You're pathetic in your attempt to twist my words to suit your groupthink. Here's hoping that someday you acquire the ability to hear what others are actually saying to you, as opposed to your conveniently--and erroneously--filtered version of it. Again, quote to me where I've at any point said or implied that victims have no rights or should be ignored. Once more, you can't because it hasn't been said, by me or anyone else here. So, in response--becuase you can't do so--you stick out your lower lip, pout, and post foolishness like the above. Trust me, if you think you're helping anyone with that sort of nonsense, think again. Putting your brain in park doesn't make you a useful ally, only a useful idiot. I'm choosing not to resort to copying your attitude. The people being accused are not the victims here, any accusations that didn't hold up have been dismissed. I try to make an effort to only speak online the way I do in the real world, clearly you do not as you would no longer be able to type or speak. Please stop making an especially silly looking attempt to retreat to some imaginary moral high ground, simply because you can't accurately quote my actual words, as opposed to the ones you've made up for me.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jul 20, 2018 16:29:50 GMT
I'm choosing not to resort to copying your attitude. The people being accused are not the victims here, any accusations that didn't hold up have been dismissed. I try to make an effort to only speak online the way I do in the real world, clearly you do not as you would no longer be able to type or speak. Please stop making an especially silly looking attempt to retreat to some imaginary moral high ground, simply because you can't accurately quote my actual words, as opposed to the ones you've made up for me. I don't there's a high ground in understanding the difference between real claims and fake ones, there is a low ground in ignoring obvious truths though.
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Post by amyghost on Jul 20, 2018 16:39:02 GMT
Please stop making an especially silly looking attempt to retreat to some imaginary moral high ground, simply because you can't accurately quote my actual words, as opposed to the ones you've made up for me. I don't there's a high ground in understanding the difference between real claims and fake ones, there is a low ground in ignoring obvious truths though. Apparently you do have some difficulty in understanding just that, since you can't differentiate between quoting someone's actual words and the words you've chosen to put in their place. And a court of law is the place for establishing 'obvious truths' in legal matters, a concept that's seemingly well out of your range of understanding. Knock off your continued backpedalling. When you can quote to me precisely where I've said victims have no rights, or should be ignored, I'll continue this discussion with you. Until you can do that, as opposed to constantly trying to obfuscate this, you have zero credibility and aren't worth bothering with.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jul 20, 2018 16:58:21 GMT
I don't there's a high ground in understanding the difference between real claims and fake ones, there is a low ground in ignoring obvious truths though. Apparently you do have some difficulty in understanding just that, since you can't differentiate between quoting someone's actual words and the words you've chosen to put in their place. And a court of law is the place for establishing 'obvious truths' in legal matters, a concept that's seemingly well out of your range of understanding. Knock off your continued backpedalling. When you can quote to me precisely where I've said victims have no rights, or should be ignored, I'll continue this discussion with you. Until you can do that, as opposed to constantly trying to obfuscate this, you have zero credibility and aren't worth bothering with. Nobody's getting out in jail without a trial, so you're getting a bit worked up on your own their.
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Post by amyghost on Jul 20, 2018 17:04:43 GMT
Apparently you do have some difficulty in understanding just that, since you can't differentiate between quoting someone's actual words and the words you've chosen to put in their place. And a court of law is the place for establishing 'obvious truths' in legal matters, a concept that's seemingly well out of your range of understanding. Knock off your continued backpedalling. When you can quote to me precisely where I've said victims have no rights, or should be ignored, I'll continue this discussion with you. Until you can do that, as opposed to constantly trying to obfuscate this, you have zero credibility and aren't worth bothering with. Nobody's getting out in jail without a trial, so you're getting a bit worked up on your own their. The only one getting 'worked up' is you, as you keep evading my simple request to quote me on those words that I never posted. Stop wasting my time until you can manage that little feat.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jul 21, 2018 12:45:47 GMT
Nobody's getting out in jail without a trial, so you're getting a bit worked up on your own their. The only one getting 'worked up' is you, as you keep evading my simple request to quote me on those words that I never posted. Stop wasting my time until you can manage that little feat. You're asking me to quote you? I hadn't noticed, maybe it's the quality of your writing.
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Post by amyghost on Jul 21, 2018 13:01:41 GMT
The only one getting 'worked up' is you, as you keep evading my simple request to quote me on those words that I never posted. Stop wasting my time until you can manage that little feat. You're asking me to quote you? I hadn't noticed, maybe it's the quality of your writing. Once more: Again, quote to me where I've at any point said or implied that victims have no rights or should be ignored.The very fact that you keep evading this very simple and straightforward request by tossing off inane snark shows me you can't debate honestly. Quit wasting my, and your, time until you can answer that. Have I sufficiently pared that down to tailor it to your reading disability?
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Post by James Bond on Jul 21, 2018 18:26:17 GMT
The only one getting 'worked up' is you, as you keep evading my simple request to quote me on those words that I never posted. Stop wasting my time until you can manage that little feat. You're asking me to quote you? I hadn't noticed, maybe it's the quality of your writing. Oh go fuck yourself, you c u n t.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jul 21, 2018 18:28:12 GMT
You're asking me to quote you? I hadn't noticed, maybe it's the quality of your writing. Oh go fuck yourself, you c u n t. Or just don't bother stalking me on this site.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jul 21, 2018 18:29:12 GMT
You're asking me to quote you? I hadn't noticed, maybe it's the quality of your writing. Once more: Again, quote to me where I've at any point said or implied that victims have no rights or should be ignored.The very fact that you keep evading this very simple and straightforward request by tossing off inane snark shows me you can't debate honestly. Quit wasting my, and your, time until you can answer that. Have I sufficiently pared that down to tailor it to your reading disability? No one's evading anything, you just choose to ignore victims and witness and then act like I'm personally putting people in jail.
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Post by James Bond on Jul 21, 2018 18:31:55 GMT
Oh go fuck yourself, you c u n t. Or just don't bother stalking me on this site. I'm not fucking stalking you, you c u n t! Who the fuck do you think you are?! I'm reading EVERYONE's fucking posts!
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Post by amyghost on Jul 21, 2018 22:21:35 GMT
Once more: Again, quote to me where I've at any point said or implied that victims have no rights or should be ignored.show me where I've stated that victims have no rights, or should be ignored. The very fact that you keep evading this very simple and straightforward request by tossing off inane snark shows me you can't debate honestly. Quit wasting my, and your, time until you can answer that. Have I sufficiently pared that down to tailor it to your reading disability? No one's evading anything, you just choose to ignore victims and witness and then act like I'm personally putting people in jail. You have not answered my simple question: show me where I've anywhere stated that victims have no rights, or should be ignored. You can't do this, so you keep coming up with intellectually dishonest evasions like the above. You're a fraud, and worth no one's time, most especially the people you're attempting to put yourself forward as an advocate of. They don't need 'help' such as yours. When you can learn how to debate with a modicum of intellectual honesty, or any honesty for that matter, drop me a line. I won't be holding my breath.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jul 22, 2018 15:32:37 GMT
No one's evading anything, you just choose to ignore victims and witness and then act like I'm personally putting people in jail. You have not answered my simple question: show me where I've anywhere stated that victims have no rights, or should be ignored. You can't do this, so you keep coming up with intellectually dishonest evasions like the above. You're a fraud, and worth no one's time, most especially the people you're attempting to put yourself forward as an advocate of. They don't need 'help' such as yours. When you can learn how to debate with a modicum of intellectual honesty, or any honesty for that matter, drop me a line. I won't be holding my breath. You believe the law says they have no rights, no matter how many witness or victims come forward, you seem to think that means people can't use their own judgement to fire someone, even though no one is going to jail without a trial. Go back and read your posts if you like, I'm not as obsessed with this conversation as you are.
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