|
|
Post by CrepedCrusader on Jul 12, 2018 17:20:59 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 12, 2018 21:26:38 GMT
That's a horribly flawed quote.
|
|
|
|
Post by Arlon10 on Jul 12, 2018 22:15:24 GMT
Which were told the Ten Commandments?
|
|
|
|
Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 12, 2018 22:18:53 GMT
OK, I like this guy after all.
|
|
|
|
Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 12, 2018 22:27:33 GMT
#metoo
|
|
|
|
Post by mslo79 on Jul 13, 2018 1:22:51 GMT
-Objective morality = what the Catholic church teaches since it's the church Jesus Christ, who is God(i.e. The Holy Trinity(Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)), started. it's the church He guides. so it's official teachings on morals etc cannot be wrong.
-Subjective morality = basing things on ones own personal opinions/feelings etc.
but liberals tend to disagree with the above truths since they tend to be opposed to God because they don't believe He exists which means they don't believe the truth that humanity now has a fallen nature after the fall of Adam/Eve and won't believe that sin exists. but the truth is, not everything we find appealing is truly good. etc etc.
p.s. the Ten Commandments are a pretty safe bet which are tied to God.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
so given that info above...
"Morality is doing what is right no matter what your told" is basically true as long as your following what is truly right, which is not always based on what someone feels is right. like abortion for example... ill bet some people honestly believe they are doing right by letting someone "choose" whether to have one or not. but they are actually wrong, as what they are really doing is making it easier for someone to kill their own child. it seems like common sense that making it easier for someone to kill their own child cannot possibly be a moral good.
but the "Religion is doing what your told, no matter what is right" is flawed.
|
|
|
|
Post by them1ghtyhumph on Jul 14, 2018 0:59:53 GMT
There is no right or wrong, except on a personal level.
|
|
|
|
Post by geode on Jul 14, 2018 7:39:48 GMT
-Objective morality = what the Catholic church teaches since it's the church Jesus Christ, who is God(i.e. The Holy Trinity(Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)), started. it's the church He guides. Incorrect. Jesus advocated no denominations, and he certainly did not author the Nicene Creed. No, that's integrity. Morality--or specifically relevant to the subject under discussion, objective morality (assuming there is such a thing) is what defines "truly right." I agree with what you have clarified here, but expect that I might be the only one who will render an opinion or reply about this. The person to which you reply has consistently ignored my replies. One of the main reasons I left the Mormon church was because of their claims of exclusivity on Christ. Christ did not found "a church" and most certainly did not, or does not favor any particular denomination. |
|
|
|
Post by phludowin on Jul 14, 2018 8:12:01 GMT
Not sure I agree with the quote.
Ethics, and therefore morality, are a social construct, and relative to the society they come from. Therefore, What the majority of people tells you is correlated to what is right. Because the majority decides what is right.
As for religion: If their adherents believe in the religion, then what they are told is what is right for them.
The Mencken quote might be meaningful, if there was some absolute right or wrong. But there isn't.
|
|
|
|
Post by Arlon10 on Jul 14, 2018 8:48:29 GMT
Not sure I agree with the quote. Ethics, and therefore morality, are a social construct, and relative to the society they come from. Therefore, What the majority of people tells you is correlated to what is right. Because the majority decides what is right. As for religion: If their adherents believe in the religion, then what they are told is what is right for them. The Mencken quote might be meaningful, if there was some absolute right or wrong. But there isn't. There might not be an "absolute right or wrong," but there is an absolute truth. So I believe anyway. Various definitions of morality will align with the absolute truth in different ways. Some definitions might not prescribe the "greatest good for the greatest number" or "An it harm none, do what ye will." Although it can be difficult to get people to agree exactly what such simple formulations mean in many contexts, some definitions of morality might be much more stunningly off those marks. |
|
|
|
Post by Morgana on Jul 14, 2018 10:30:49 GMT
There is no right or wrong, except on a personal level. I disagree. I think unless you're a hermit, we have to have general rules of right or wrong to be able to live alongside one another. |
|
|
|
Post by them1ghtyhumph on Jul 14, 2018 20:55:02 GMT
There is no right or wrong, except on a personal level. I disagree. I think unless you're a hermit, we have to have general rules of right or wrong to be able to live alongside one another. Making up rules doesn't mean there's a right or wrong |
|
|
|
Post by Arlon10 on Jul 15, 2018 9:41:13 GMT
I disagree. I think unless you're a hermit, we have to have general rules of right or wrong to be able to live alongside one another. Making up rules doesn't mean there's a right or wrong There is definitely such a thing as civility. Think about that. |
|
|
|
Post by them1ghtyhumph on Jul 15, 2018 19:55:49 GMT
Making up rules doesn't mean there's a right or wrong There is definitely such a thing as civility. Think about that. Yes there is. But again, that doesn't mean that there is a right or wrong. |
|
