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Post by DSDSquared on Jul 23, 2018 12:26:59 GMT
I think this takes place before Justice League, at least I hope it does or it makes very little sense. There is no way this takes place after Justice League. Not even the DCEU has writing that bad.
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Post by dazz on Jul 23, 2018 14:25:08 GMT
I think this takes place before Justice League, at least I hope it does or it makes very little sense. There is no way this takes place after Justice League. Not even the DCEU has writing that bad. It kind of doesn't make sense in either case, if it's set before JL then why doesn't Aquaman get his people to help in the battle with Steppenwolf? If he wins the entire planet is fucked so why not use an entire civilisation of superhuman beings to wage a war against a super powered being?
If it takes place after JL why is Aquaman taken aback by Atlantis didn't he go there in JL? but this is a lesser quibble as it could be explained away that where the motherbox was wasn't Atlantis but close enough to where Atlanteans could protect it.
Also why if Aquaman is already King of Atlantis does he need to ask for anything from Mera he's King that means armour or weapons are his to have without question, plus shouldn't he have had his trident if he were king, the one he had in JL wasn't the right one iirc.
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Post by dazz on Jul 23, 2018 14:39:43 GMT
You're basing their ritual fighting on boxing/mma? T'Challa himself didn't die or yield.
Actually, Mera would be the equivalent of Nakia. So... Aquaman is basically the 3rd act of Black Panther when they went to M'Baku for help in overthrowing Killmonger, but found T'Challa. The same as Mera going outside of Atlantis to find Arthur for help overthrowing Orm. The rightful king of Atlantis.
He's still an outsider. And has less Atlantean blood than Orm. Again, half-blood means he's less Atlantean.
Like I said, Zuri yielded for T'Challa. When a referee feels that a fighter is unable to continue the fight and is too incapacitated to yield for himself, the referee can step in and stop the fight and that's effectively the same as the fighter yielding, basically the referee yields on behalf of the fighter who is too incapicated to yield for himself. That was the case with T'Challa. Zuri was basically the referee and he saw that T'Challa was unable to continue the fight and too incapacitated to yield for himself so Zuri stepped in and stopped the fight, which effectively is the same as T'Challa yielding. So Killmonger legally won the fight and and the throne, which is why Killmonger was coronated as the legal and rightful King of Wakanda. As for Arthur, it doesn't matter if he's only half-Atlantean. His mother is the Queen so he's Atlantean royalty. It's no different than Prince Albert, the ruling monarch of Monaco. His mother was not only not a royal but also not even from Monaco. His mother was born and raised and lived her whole life prior to marrying Prince Rainier in America. But his father was Prince Rainier so he's royalty and is the legal and rightful monarch. Arthur actually has a stronger claim to the throne of Atlantis than Killmonger had to the throne of Wakanda. You bring up "equivalents". Well, Arthur (the oldest son of the Queen) is equivalent to Prince William and Orm (the younger son of the Queen) is equivalent to Price Harry. By contrast, Killmonger is equivalent to Prince William's cousin, who is pretty far down in the line of royal succession. And once again you prove your idiocy, firstly in BP clearly Killmonger idnt rightfully win as seen when Okoye and the entire Dora Milaje who believed in and respected Wakandan traditions so much they remained loyal to the crown rather than the royal family they had served for decades and were friends with, they disagreed with Killmonger's actions but still remained true to their vows, until T'Challa reimerged alive and well where upon Okoye declared the challenge unfinished and that Killmonger still needed to earn the crown...he hadn't truly won making T'Challa still the rightful king of Wakanda, you know the actual events and facts of the film not made up ones by applying other rules to it to fit your own narrative dickweed.
As for Aquaman well we don't know how Atlanteans judge these things, is Arthur of royal blood? yes but he is half Atlantean only and his birth may have taken place out of wedlock which makes him a bastard, if this is the case he's an illegitimate heir and his right to his mothers crown less legitimate to Orm her son via marriage and legitimate or true heir to the throne.
The example you gave is retarded because it doesn't matter if only 1 parent is of royal blood once married any child born of that union is a legitimate member of the royal family, they just don't bring with it the baggage of inbreeding associated with marrying within a small gene pool of royal family members often being 2nd or 3rd and so on cousins in some shape or form, or bringing with them a union of separate kingdoms as is the case when members of different royal families marry, doesn't matter though if someone isn't royal but marries into the royal family their children will be royalty regardless such is the case with Harry & Williams current and future children.
Now shut up you simple minded fuck nugget no one wants to hear you shit out bollocks or regurgitate other peoples thoughts and opinions because you are too stupid to form your own, just shut up for a bit ok shit for brains.
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Post by leesilm on Jul 23, 2018 18:45:56 GMT
Taking a stab in the dark here, but....
.... could it be that they intend to have this idea that each League member sort of has their (For lack of a better term) playground, and until things get bad enough/out of hand enough to spill out beyond that playground/turf and/or the other members are asked, they stay out of it? For example, Superman and Wonder Woman don't just pop up in Gotham and fight crime cause frankly Diana has enough crime to fight France/etc. and Clark has enough to do in Metropolis. So unless Aquaman is unable to keep things under control/contained within Atlantis and he doesn't ask for help, Bruce, Diana, etc. then they will stay out of it, until he asks or things get really out of hand. So perhaps there will be a note at the end of some short scene/mid credits scene, where it is revealed Bruce or Diana checked in/stopped by as they had been en route when Aquaman saved the day, so they arrived a couple hours late to be of any use in the fight.
It would make sense to sort of have that boundary among the members. That way Diana can have her area that is primarily her responcibility, Bruce has his (Gotham), Clark has his, Arthur has his, etc. etc. Now Cyborg could have some issues with this, cause I would imagine Gotham could be his turf just as easily as it is Bruce's, so Victor could easily have a lot of Batman in his solo-film (if they ever get off their butts and make one already!) since they are in the same town. Otherwise, it seems they are content to allow each person to have their own little arena where they are the primary super hero, and the League is only called in as a group when something happens that is too big for any one of them to handle or even just two of them (As might be the case for Batman/Cyborg or Superman/Flash).
Like I said, just a stab in the dark at how they might work this.
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Post by James Bond on Jul 23, 2018 18:53:49 GMT
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Post by NormanClature on Jul 23, 2018 19:02:14 GMT
I think this takes place before Justice League, at least I hope it does or it makes very little sense. There is no way this takes place after Justice League. Not even the DCEU has writing that bad. Why do you think that? I actually read somewhere that it was set after JL. Have you read that it isn't?
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Post by DSDSquared on Jul 23, 2018 19:05:48 GMT
I think this takes place before Justice League, at least I hope it does or it makes very little sense. There is no way this takes place after Justice League. Not even the DCEU has writing that bad. Why do you think that? I actually read somewhere that it was set after JL. Have you read that it isn't? No, but it would make seriously no sense for it to be set after. By the trailers, it looks like he is not even King yet and has no idea of this other world. It is an origin story. I guess they could do ti like Wonder Woman with flashbacks.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 23, 2018 20:29:03 GMT
I think this takes place before Justice League, at least I hope it does or it makes very little sense. There is no way this takes place after Justice League. Not even the DCEU has writing that bad. It kind of doesn't make sense in either case, if it's set before JL then why doesn't Aquaman get his people to help in the battle with Steppenwolf? If he wins the entire planet is fucked so why not use an entire civilisation of superhuman beings to wage a war against a super powered being?
1st, it took the combined forces of the Atlanteans, Amazons, humans, and Olympian Gods to defeat Steppenwolf the first time so Aquaman just getting the Atlanteans to battle Steppenwolf wouldn't have been much help. They needed a lot more powerful forces (like the Justice League) than just the Atlanteans. 2nd, your first question is moot since it's already been confirmed that Aquaman is set after Justice League: DCEU Producer Confirms Aquaman Set After Justice League
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 23, 2018 20:37:50 GMT
until T'Challa reimerged alive and well where upon Okoye declared the challenge unfinished Killmonger did win the challenge. You keep forgetting that rules are 1-on-1 combat, not 1-against-2 combat. When Zuri interfered in the fight to stop Killmonger from cutting of T'Challa's head, it was no longer 1-on-1 combat. It became 1-against-2 combat. Therefore, the 1-on-1 combat was officially over and Killmonber was officially the winner of that 1-on-1 combat and thus the legal and rightful King of Wakanda by Wakandan law. As for Okoye declaring the fight unfished, he wanted T'Challa to win so of course he would declare that. But Okoye wasn't the referee. Zuri was the referee so Okoye can't declare the fight unfinished. As for Aquaman well we don't know how Atlanteans judge these things, is Arthur of royal blood? yes but he is half Atlantean only and his birth may have taken place out of wedlock which makes him a bastard, if this is the case he's an illegitimate heir Being born out of wedlock doesn't disqualify someone from the throne. Henry VIII had his marriage to Anne Boleyn annulled so technically Elizabeth I was born out of wedlock and illegitimate. Yet she ruled England for 45 years.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 23, 2018 20:48:19 GMT
How the fuck is that racist? Thor believes that Odin is the King of the Gods and he himself is the Son of Odin. So why would Thor believe Jesus was the Son of God?
The reason Thor wouldn't celebrate Christmas
That's what I said. Thor wouldn't celebrate Christmas, just like England wouldn't celebrate Presidents' Day or July 4th and Wakanda wouldn't celebrate Memorial Day or Thanksgiving. And that's not racist. That's just common sense.
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Post by NormanClature on Jul 23, 2018 20:56:07 GMT
The reason Thor wouldn't celebrate Christmas
That's what I said. Thor wouldn't celebrate Christmas, just like England wouldn't celebrate Presidents' Day or July 4th and Wakanda wouldn't celebrate Memorial Day or Thanksgiving. And that's not racist. That's just common sense. That isn't the correct comparison. People in all countries participate in the celebration of religious festivals they have no belief in.
Thor was with Jane Foster at the time. She would have been celebrating Christmas............
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Post by dazz on Jul 23, 2018 21:48:53 GMT
The reason Thor wouldn't celebrate Christmas
That's what I said. Thor wouldn't celebrate Christmas, just like England wouldn't celebrate Presidents' Day or July 4th and Wakanda wouldn't celebrate Memorial Day or Thanksgiving. And that's not racist. That's just common sense. Except you make a stupid statement as to why I made a smarter one you simpleton, it's like before people believed the earth was round people may agrue against the idea that it is flat but if I were to have said it's not flat but round and it orbits the sun and you said the earth isint flat it's pyramid shaped and sticking out the arse of a giant baboon whose nuts are what we believe are the sun and the moon then guess what yes technically we are both right in saying the earth is not flat but YOU are still a fucking moron.
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Post by dazz on Jul 23, 2018 22:00:08 GMT
until T'Challa reimerged alive and well where upon Okoye declared the challenge unfinished Killmonger did win the challenge. You keep forgetting that rules are 1-on-1 combat, not 1-against-2 combat. When Zuri interfered in the fight to stop Killmonger from cutting of T'Challa's head, it was no longer 1-on-1 combat. It became 1-against-2 combat. Therefore, the 1-on-1 combat was officially over and Killmonber was officially the winner of that 1-on-1 combat and thus the legal and rightful King of Wakanda by Wakandan law. As for Okoye declaring the fight unfished, he wanted T'Challa to win so of course he would declare that. But Okoye wasn't the referee. Zuri was the referee so Okoye can't declare the fight unfinished. As for Aquaman well we don't know how Atlanteans judge these things, is Arthur of royal blood? yes but he is half Atlantean only and his birth may have taken place out of wedlock which makes him a bastard, if this is the case he's an illegitimate heir Being born out of wedlock doesn't disqualify someone from the throne. Henry VIII had his marriage to Anne Boleyn annulled so technically Elizabeth I was born out of wedlock and illegitimate. Yet she ruled England for 45 years. Except Okoye showed in BP how she and her army were loyal to a fault to the crown and rules of Wakanda, she didn't aid T'Challa's family and instead remained at her post beside the "King" only when the result was proven inconclusive does she state the challenge must continue and only after Killmonger refuses does she and her people side with T'Challa, she chooses to serve a King she does not believe in rather than help the majority of the royal family she does because that is what she swore to do, she doesn't break her oath at all, and Killmongers ego is what cost him he could have slit T'Challa's throat or broke his neck he pushed him out of the "arena" assuming he would die but T'Challa survived meaning Killmonger didn't finish him off voiding the victory, your using any excuse you can think to explain away the actual narrative of the films in which it shows Killmonger never truly won that fight by Wakandan law and so was not the rightful king, he even refuses the challenge which he is bound to accept if he were King either way Killmonger was not the rightful king by his own actions however you slice it.
Actually being an illegitimate heir does disqualify you depending on the societal rules in place using Henry VIII as an example is moronic because he changed the rules to suit himself, but in Atlantean culture if being born out of wedlock means your rights to claim titles or anything else is unacceptable if a true born heir can also claim it then Arthur is NOT the rightful heir, now they may have laws where the ruling monarch can choose to legitimise said bastard heir but that only works if Arthur's mother is Queen and ruling Atlantis, if Orm is King then only he can acknowledge Arthur's claim but seeing as that would forfit the crown to his half brother and Orm's not only a dick but the villain of the story seems unlikely to happen, so shut it you spastic.
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Post by dazz on Jul 23, 2018 22:05:48 GMT
It kind of doesn't make sense in either case, if it's set before JL then why doesn't Aquaman get his people to help in the battle with Steppenwolf? If he wins the entire planet is fucked so why not use an entire civilisation of superhuman beings to wage a war against a super powered being?
1st, it took the combined forces of the Atlanteans, Amazons, humans, and Olympian Gods to defeat Steppenwolf the first time so Aquaman just getting the Atlanteans to battle Steppenwolf wouldn't have been much help. They needed a lot more powerful forces (like the Justice League) than just the Atlanteans. 2nd, your first question is moot since it's already been confirmed that Aquaman is set after Justice League: DCEU Producer Confirms Aquaman Set After Justice LeagueThat makes no sense, your response I mean not the film taking place after JL, that makes the most sense as any issues of inconsistency between JL & Aquaman are minor that way, but why use the Atlanteans? so what if it took the entire forces of Atlantis & the Amazons plus the Gods and GL's, because it took more people last time means ah fuck it why bother using them now we got a robot who maybe compromised a speedster who is actively shitting himself, 1 amazon, a middle aged broken down rich dude with a death wish and maybe Superman but he did just try to kill everyone so he's a maybe at best oh and 1 Atlantean...are you fucking nuts, sure the Atlanteans may not do much against Steppenwolf himself but they could be a hell of a lot of good fending off Parademons if they strength is anything comparable to Aquamans.
And all of your questions are fucking moot because your a fucking retard who ask's answered questions over and over gain expecting different answers you spanner faced cuck nugget.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 23, 2018 22:12:09 GMT
Killmonger did win the challenge. You keep forgetting that rules are 1-on-1 combat, not 1-against-2 combat. When Zuri interfered in the fight to stop Killmonger from cutting of T'Challa's head, it was no longer 1-on-1 combat. It became 1-against-2 combat. Therefore, the 1-on-1 combat was officially over and Killmonber was officially the winner of that 1-on-1 combat and thus the legal and rightful King of Wakanda by Wakandan law. As for Okoye declaring the fight unfished, he wanted T'Challa to win so of course he would declare that. But Okoye wasn't the referee. Zuri was the referee so Okoye can't declare the fight unfinished. Being born out of wedlock doesn't disqualify someone from the throne. Henry VIII had his marriage to Anne Boleyn annulled so technically Elizabeth I was born out of wedlock and illegitimate. Yet she ruled England for 45 years. T'Challa survived meaning Killmonger didn't finish him off voiding the victory, your using any excuse you can think to explain away the actual narrative of the films in which it shows Killmonger never truly won that fight by Wakandan law and so was not the rightful king, he even refuses the challenge which he is bound to accept if he were King either way Killmonger was not the rightful king by his own actions however you slice it.
Killmonger didn't have to finish him off because the fight was over. Just like T'Challa didn't finish off the first tribal leader he fought because that fight was over. You keep bringing up Wakanda law. Well, Wakandan law mandated that the fight is 1-on-1. When Zuri stepped in and stopped Killmonger from cutting off T'Challa's head, the fight was no longer 1-on-1. The fight was 1-against-2. So the 1-on-1 fight between Killmonger and T'Challa was officially over and Killmonger was officially the winner, due to Zuri stepping in and turning it into a 1-against-2 fight.
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Post by dazz on Jul 23, 2018 22:20:53 GMT
Except Zuri got in between them to try and spare T'Challa's life which did not need to end, a contestant could yield to spare their life as was the case with M'Baku, but barring that it's a fight to the death, T'Challa never submitted and Zuri never actually attacks or aids either side in winning the fight, but again seeing as the MOST DEDICATED & LOYAL person to the traditions and laws of Wakanda saw T'Challa being alive and well nullified Killmongers coronation as king says more than your petty excuse you dipshit.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 23, 2018 23:35:21 GMT
Except Zuri got in between them to try and spare T'Challa's life which did not need to end, a contestant could yield to spare their life as was the case with M'Baku, but barring that it's a fight to the death A fight to the death means that if a contestant doesn't yield, then their life does need to end. Unless they're too incapacitated to yield for themselves, in which case the referee stops the fight, which is effectively the same as the contestant who is to incapacitated to yield yielding the fight. So since T'Challa didn't yield, his life did need to end. And Killmonger was about to end T'Challa's life when Zuri stepped in and stopped Killmonger from ending T'Challa's life. By stepping in, the fight was no longer 1-on-1 (as required by Wakandan law) and became 1-against-2. So the 1-on-1 fight was effectively over and Zuri stepping in was effectively the same as T'Challa yielding. Therefore, the fight was over and Killmonger was the legal winner and that's why he was coronated as the legal and rightful King of Wakanda. Because if the fight wasn't over, then there would be no coronation. The coronation can only happen after a winner has been decided. So the very fact tat Killmonger was coronated as King of Wakanda means that the fight was officially over and Killmonger was the legal winner. Because he was too incapacitated to submit. That's why Zuri had to step in and submit on behalf of T'Challa. Zuri never actually attacks or aids either side in winning the fight Yes, he did. Zuri stepped in and prevented Killmonger from cutting off T'Challa's head, which aiding T'Challa. Answer this question honestly: If Zuri hadn't stepped in and prevented Killmonger from cutting off T'Challa's head, would T'Challa have defeated Killmonger at the end of the movie? The answer is obviously No. Because if Zuri hadn't stepped in, the Killmonger would've cut off T'Challa's head and thus T'Challa would've had no chance at all of defeating Killmonger at the end of the movie. By stepping in, Zuri prevented Killmonger from ending T'Challa's life, which gave T'Challa the chance to defeat Killmonger at the end of the movie. So Zuri steping in did in fact aid T'Challa.
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Post by dazz on Jul 24, 2018 4:05:06 GMT
Whatever numpty I don't give a fuck anymore, arguing with you on this has lost the whimsy I usually enjoy which is the only reason I engage with you, because fuck knows you don't actually make any worthy arguements, so shove yah bollocks up yah arse and have good night mate...yah cunt.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 24, 2018 9:56:28 GMT
You're basing their ritual fighting on boxing/mma? T'Challa himself didn't die or yield.
Actually, Mera would be the equivalent of Nakia. So... Aquaman is basically the 3rd act of Black Panther when they went to M'Baku for help in overthrowing Killmonger, but found T'Challa. The same as Mera going outside of Atlantis to find Arthur for help overthrowing Orm. The rightful king of Atlantis.
He's still an outsider. And has less Atlantean blood than Orm. Again, half-blood means he's less Atlantean.
Like I said, Zuri yielded for T'Challa. When a referee feels that a fighter is unable to continue the fight and is too incapacitated to yield for himself, the referee can step in and stop the fight and that's effectively the same as the fighter yielding, basically the referee yields on behalf of the fighter who is too incapicated to yield for himself. That was the case with T'Challa. Zuri was basically the referee and he saw that T'Challa was unable to continue the fight and too incapacitated to yield for himself so Zuri stepped in and stopped the fight, which effectively is the same as T'Challa yielding. So Killmonger legally won the fight and and the throne, which is why Killmonger was coronated as the legal and rightful King of Wakanda. As for Arthur, it doesn't matter if he's only half-Atlantean. His mother is the Queen so he's Atlantean royalty. It's no different than Prince Albert, the ruling monarch of Monaco. His mother was not only not a royal but also not even from Monaco. His mother was born and raised and lived her whole life prior to marrying Prince Rainier in America. But his father was Prince Rainier so he's royalty and is the legal and rightful monarch. Arthur actually has a stronger claim to the throne of Atlantis than Killmonger had to the throne of Wakanda. You bring up "equivalents". Well, Arthur (the oldest son of the Queen) is equivalent to Prince William and Orm (the younger son of the Queen) is equivalent to Price Harry. By contrast, Killmonger is equivalent to Prince William's cousin, who is pretty far down in the line of royal succession. Zuri wasn't a referee. He was an overseer.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 25, 2018 4:35:57 GMT
Like I said, Zuri yielded for T'Challa. When a referee feels that a fighter is unable to continue the fight and is too incapacitated to yield for himself, the referee can step in and stop the fight and that's effectively the same as the fighter yielding, basically the referee yields on behalf of the fighter who is too incapicated to yield for himself. That was the case with T'Challa. Zuri was basically the referee and he saw that T'Challa was unable to continue the fight and too incapacitated to yield for himself so Zuri stepped in and stopped the fight, which effectively is the same as T'Challa yielding. So Killmonger legally won the fight and and the throne, which is why Killmonger was coronated as the legal and rightful King of Wakanda. As for Arthur, it doesn't matter if he's only half-Atlantean. His mother is the Queen so he's Atlantean royalty. It's no different than Prince Albert, the ruling monarch of Monaco. His mother was not only not a royal but also not even from Monaco. His mother was born and raised and lived her whole life prior to marrying Prince Rainier in America. But his father was Prince Rainier so he's royalty and is the legal and rightful monarch. Arthur actually has a stronger claim to the throne of Atlantis than Killmonger had to the throne of Wakanda. You bring up "equivalents". Well, Arthur (the oldest son of the Queen) is equivalent to Prince William and Orm (the younger son of the Queen) is equivalent to Price Harry. By contrast, Killmonger is equivalent to Prince William's cousin, who is pretty far down in the line of royal succession. Zuri wasn't a referee. He was an overseer. Zuri signaled the start of the fight so Zuri was effectively the referee. But regardless of whether Zuri calls himself the referee or overseer, the moment that Zuri stepped in and stopped Killmonger from cutting off T'Challa's head, Zuri effectively yielded on behalf of T'Challa and the 1-on-1 fight (as required by Wakandan law) was over since the it became a 1-against-2 fight. So bottom line, the 1-on-1 fight was over and KIllmonger was the legal winner of that 1-on-1 fight and thus the legal and rightful King of Wakanda.
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