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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jul 22, 2018 2:19:54 GMT
The whole taking over the world trope is getting old, and honestly, this is the most predictable one. I understand it's a water-based villain and water-based story so of course, the villain wants to kill humans. Why? Because they pollute the oceans. Who could have saw that one coming?!?! I don't mean to compare it to Infinity War, but at least Thanos motivation of killing half the universe had a bit of nuance to it and it wasn't really because he wanted to rule it. Even in the comics, it was because he just wanted to impress a girl essentially. Marvel and the MCU at least play around with the world-conquering trope.
But also, coming off from Justice League, another taking over the world film, Aquaman should have gone smaller and been a more personal story involving him and Black Manta. Those are always some of the best Aquaman stories. Also, why aren't the Justice League helping? They are meant to stop world-catastrophy events, and I'd think Orm going to war with humans is one of them. This is really the problem the DCEU is going to face now. They've already had their world-event film, so now a lot of the solo films are going to feel really undermined, especially if they're all just going to be major world event films. Wonder Woman is somewhat avoiding that by setting it in the past, but even then, it faces the problem the X-Men films face with the current films. We know she's going so there will never be a sense of danger for her.
I wish and hope the DCEU can start doing smaller and personal stories with their characters rather than doing CGI world event films
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Post by scabab on Jul 22, 2018 9:12:41 GMT
I don't know, the whole concept behind Aquaman seems too grand for it not to be on a larger scale.
Wheres Justice League? Who knows, they don't always have to be around. You had world ending circumstances in comics for individual superheros all the time without the team always coming together.
They didn't have the Avengers in Thor Dark World and that movie had the biggest stakes of them all. It was a Thor problem so he dealt with. Same thing here really.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 22, 2018 10:14:58 GMT
I don't know, the whole concept behind Aquaman seems too grand for it not to be on a larger scale. Wheres Justice League? Who knows, they don't always have to be around. You had world ending circumstances in comics for individual superheros all the time without the team always coming together. They didn't have the Avengers in Thor Dark World and that movie had the biggest stakes of them all. It was a Thor problem so he dealt with. Same thing here really.I was just thinking about that criticism back in 2013. There was a lot of "Where's the Avengers? Why isn't Captain America helping Iron Man in Iron Man 3 or Hulk helping Thor in Thor The Dark World?" Marvel made it work, so I'm sure DC will too. As for the pollution plot, Infinity War tackled Overpopulation which is a topic worth discussing and it'll be the same for Aquaman. Hopefully the next comic book movie will tackle global warming.
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Post by dazz on Jul 22, 2018 13:29:58 GMT
Given how things were set up this makes sense and is the only way to do the film, given Arthur's lived his whole life seemingly knowing about his roots and others knowing of him but neither her nor them sought out a reunion, so there needs to be a catalyst to justify this, Orm wanting to go to war with the surface does this.
As is we don't know if a full scale invasion of the surface is going to happen to justify bringing in the JL, and if it does arguably only Superman & Flash would be able to quickly get involved unless Wonder Woman, Batman & Cyborg just happen to be in the location the Atlanteans target first.
Is it a little obvious? yeah but so is every other plausible story, that's the problem with having seen so many movies in the same genre, you see all the possible variables, it's not like an Aquaman movie can be like a Good Will Hunting or something like that, it's above all else an action movie and it has a insane premise to start with, the culmination has to be huge, it cant just be resolved over tea and biscuits.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 22, 2018 19:24:24 GMT
It wouldn’t have been anymore original if this had been a smaller and more personal story of Black Manta wanting revenge on Aquaman for killing his father.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 22, 2018 19:59:14 GMT
the culmination has to be huge, it cant just be resolved over tea and biscuits. Or resolved by a Dance-Off.
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Post by dazz on Jul 22, 2018 20:02:36 GMT
No CBM has ever been ended with a dance off you fucking twat, GOTG ended with Quill using dancing to distract Ronan many films and shows have used the do something stupid and embarrassing to buy time/ cause a distraction gag, so shut the fuck up about it you dribbling shitstain.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 22, 2018 21:21:35 GMT
No CBM has ever been ended with a dance off GotG is the 1st and only film so far in which the villain was defeated by a Dance-Off.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 22, 2018 21:31:32 GMT
No CBM has ever been ended with a dance off GotG is the 1st and only film so far in which the villain was defeated by a Dance-Off. Oh it was dancing that killed Ronan? Cause I could have sworn it was the Power Infinity Stone that killed Ronan.
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Post by dazz on Jul 22, 2018 21:37:52 GMT
No CBM has ever been ended with a dance off GotG is the 1st and only film so far in which the villain was defeated by a Dance-Off. No he was distracted by a dancing buffoon long enough for the talking racoon to fix the bazooka that a former WWE champion used to blow up the space lawyers hammer with an infinity stone imbedded in it, then the buffoon grabbed the stone and once Lt Uhura, the ex wrestler and the talking racoon held hands with him they disintegrated the space lawyer.
Seriously stop being such a one note cunt you fucking retard.
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Post by James Bond on Jul 22, 2018 22:22:54 GMT
GotG is the 1st and only film so far in which the villain was defeated by a Dance-Off. No he was distracted by a dancing buffoon long enough for the talking racoon to fix the bazooka that a former WWE champion used to blow up the space lawyers hammer with an infinity stone imbedded in it, then the buffoon grabbed the stone and once Lt Uhura, the ex wrestler and the talking racoon held hands with him they disintegrated the space lawyer.
Seriously stop being such a one note *** you fucking retard.
Going in the sig.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 22, 2018 22:24:42 GMT
Egh, movie's gotta movie.
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Post by harpospoke on Jul 22, 2018 23:01:30 GMT
I think it's kinda funny that CBMs are sneaking this stuff in.
Hollywood doesn't even seem to notice. They are now making the bad guys left-wing radicals (BP), doomsayers (IW), and environmentalists (AM).
Never would have predicted this one.
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Post by James Bond on Jul 23, 2018 19:16:57 GMT
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Post by merh on Jul 30, 2018 1:15:21 GMT
No CBM has ever been ended with a dance off GotG is the 1st and only film so far in which the villain was defeated by a Dance-Off. I thought the Justice League used distraction so Flash could rescue the hostages. And to give Cyborg time to deal with ghe motherboxes. Distraction has played a part in DC movies.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 30, 2018 14:52:24 GMT
I think it's kinda funny that CBMs are sneaking this stuff in. Hollywood doesn't even seem to notice. They are now making the bad guys left-wing radicals (BP), doomsayers (IW), and environmentalists (AM). Never would have predicted this one. It's the seventies all over again!
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Post by Winter_King on Jul 30, 2018 16:15:18 GMT
While I loved Infinity War, I find that the reasoning behind Aquaman's villain has at least a sound logic behind it. Thano plan of killing half the Universe because there are no resources is beyond ridiculous. It's the equivalent of saying that there are too much solar panels in the world, so we need to reduce by half because one sun is not enough.
The Universe, and I assume it's the same size of the Marvel Universe, is huge. We don't even consume the resources of the solar system much less the resources of an entire galaxy And the galaxy is really small compared to everything else.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jul 30, 2018 20:53:31 GMT
The whole taking over the world trope is...
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Post by merh on Jul 31, 2018 2:32:06 GMT
Namor is the one always going on about humans messing up the ocean.
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Post by harpospoke on Jul 31, 2018 5:01:00 GMT
While I loved Infinity War, I find that the reasoning behind Aquaman's villain has at least a sound logic behind it. Thano plan of killing half the Universe because there are no resources is beyond ridiculous. It's the equivalent of saying that there are too much solar panels in the world, so we need to reduce by half because one sun is not enough. The Universe, and I assume it's the same size of the Marvel Universe, is huge. We don't even consume the resources of the solar system much less the resources of an entire galaxy And the galaxy is really small compared to everything else. It's true that Thanos has faulty reasoning. ...Which is why he is the bad guy. If his plan made sense he would be the good guy. You would be surprised how many people agree with Thanos' line of thinking though. It's pretty scary.
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