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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Jul 23, 2018 3:57:08 GMT
How did DC's male superhero become Marvel's female superhero?
How did the original Captain Marvel end up being called the thing he (or Billy Batson) says?
Also, isn't Dwayne Johnson supposed to be Black Adam? Is he in the movie?
By the way, the original Captain Marvel was the very first traditional comic book superhero to transition to live-action film (in the 1941 twelve-chapter movie serial The Adventures of Captain Marvel).
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 23, 2018 4:27:45 GMT
Yes, Shazam is the original Captain Marvel.
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Post by scabab on Jul 23, 2018 6:35:25 GMT
Well even the female Captain Marvel over at Marvel wasn't the original one there either. She used to just be known as Ms Marvel. This was the original Captain Marvel from Marvel. Then the DC version became more and more known as Shazam so it's a bit confusing.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 23, 2018 8:44:07 GMT
Just had this conversation with 2 friends. I had said the Captain Marvel/Shazam! trailer was out. He heard what I said as 2 different trailers (one for Captain Marvel one for Shazam). I had to correct. Explaining the convoluted way we got to Billy turning to Shazam not Captain Marvel. I had forgotten how it all started though. The other friend had to drop in that bit of history. DC sued the original makers of Captain Marvel saying he was an obvious ripoff of Superman. When they won DC gained control of him and didn't use him for a while. Then you have the naming curffufal with Marvel's Captain Marvel. Mar-vell being the first. DC didn't use their Captain Marvel for a while so Marvel filed for the trademark for Captain Marvel and got it. They've had to produce a Captain Marvel every so often to keep the trademark.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 23, 2018 9:12:14 GMT
Just had this conversation with 2 friends. I had said the Captain Marvel/Shazam! trailer was out. He heard what I said as 2 different trailers (one for Captain Marvel one for Shazam). Well, most MCU fans are kids who think that MCU invented the concept of a "shared universe" so they don't know that Shazam! was the original Captain Marvel. DC didn't use their Captain Marvel for a while so Marvel filed for the trademark for Captain Marvel and got it. They've had to produce a Captain Marvel every so often to keep the trademark. Basically, Marvel stole the "Captain Marvel" name.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jul 23, 2018 9:57:29 GMT
Just had this conversation with 2 friends. I had said the Captain Marvel/Shazam! trailer was out. He heard what I said as 2 different trailers (one for Captain Marvel one for Shazam). Well, most MCU fans are kids who think that MCU invented the concept of a "shared universe" so they don't know that Shazam! was the original Captain Marvel. DC didn't use their Captain Marvel for a while so Marvel filed for the trademark for Captain Marvel and got it. They've had to produce a Captain Marvel every so often to keep the trademark. Basically, Marvel stole the "Captain Marvel" name. Universal seemed to have invented it as far as I know. At least in movies.
I don't know why DC would want a Captain 'Marvel' anyways. Shazam is a perfectly good name and doesn't contain the name of another comic book company.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 23, 2018 9:58:48 GMT
Just had this conversation with 2 friends. I had said the Captain Marvel/Shazam! trailer was out. He heard what I said as 2 different trailers (one for Captain Marvel one for Shazam). Well, most MCU fans are kids who think that MCU invented the concept of a "shared universe" so they don't know that Shazam! was the original Captain Marvel. DC didn't use their Captain Marvel for a while so Marvel filed for the trademark for Captain Marvel and got it. They've had to produce a Captain Marvel every so often to keep the trademark. Basically, Marvel stole the "Captain Marvel" name. My group doesn't normally divide ourselves into different cabals such as MCU fans, DCEU fans, XMU fans. We may debate between Geek, Nerd, or Dork. That debate has been going on since 1996 when we met freshmen year College. You may not want hang your hat on Marvel stealing Captain Marvel when DC proved in court that Fawcett Comics ripped off Superman. So the very creation of Captain Marvel was stealing the IP of DC. I've never understood always going for the negative for something you aren't a fan of or a positive for what you are. I'm just happy that pop culture has evolved enough that we are getting a Shazam and a Captain Marvel movie. I'm not a particular fan of Shazam, but I'll watch it. I'm not going to go out of my way to degrade it if I don't like it. It's one more step to where the shit I was picked on for liking in the the 80's and 90's becoming more main stream. I've always had a soft spot for Aquaman mainly because of the shit he's gotten for like 4 decades. And while I may have a quibble about scenes in the trailer or Justice League you'll be damned sure I'll be there opening weekend. (also \m/ Black Manta \m/) I've loved this quote and it applies.. "Yet is it far better to light the candle than to curse the darkness." So here is thanks for a world where we have a plethora of nerd-culture to choose from each year. If your personal preferences of nerd-culture is different than mine so be it. And I hope it makes you as happy as mine.
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Post by sostie on Jul 23, 2018 10:20:02 GMT
Just had this conversation with 2 friends. I had said the Captain Marvel/Shazam! trailer was out. He heard what I said as 2 different trailers (one for Captain Marvel one for Shazam). Well, most MCU fans are kids who think that MCU invented the concept of a "shared universe" so they don't know that Shazam! was the original Captain Marvel. Oh yeah, like the Batman/Green Hornet/Addams Family/Hogan's Heroes shared universe for instance And as for not knowing about knowing about Shazam's origin...you know fuck all yourself, despite being told a nuimber of times...see below Actually no, and this has been explained to you before. (Maybe the problem is that being a thief yourself, you don't actually understand the concept of theft!) DC managed to get Fawcett Comics to cease publication, close down and put its comic staff out of work. DC didn't however obtain any of the copyright or own the characters Marvel legally obtained the name Captain Marvel in the mid 60s DC obtained the Captain Marvel characters in the early 70s, but couldn't use the Captain Marvel name Nothing was stolen by Marvel, and certainly not from DC. Shazam - like Blackhawk or V for Vendetta - are DC buy ins. Not their creation. Stop trying to make Marvel the bad guys at every turn. DC managed to cease the existence of a character, bankrupt a company and put many writers and artists out of work. Only for them to buy that character many years later, but AFTER Marvel had bought the copyright for the name.
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Post by sostie on Jul 23, 2018 10:40:10 GMT
Well, most MCU fans are kids who think that MCU invented the concept of a "shared universe" so they don't know that Shazam! was the original Captain Marvel. Basically, Marvel stole the "Captain Marvel" name. You may not want hang your hat on Marvel stealing Captain Marvel when DC proved in court that Fawcett Comics ripped off Superman. So the very creation of Captain Marvel was stealing the IP of DC. Actually the Judge ruled in DCs favour not because the character was that similar to Superman, but some storylines were. DC never owned any "Captain Marvel" IP until 1972 when they bought the characters (odd that a company so vehement that a character ripped them off, would later think that character was worth paying money for to publish!). Marvel had purchased Captain Marvel name well before then. Even if the judgement was based on similarities to Superman, Marvel would not have indirectly stolen DCs IP because the name was never a concern for DC.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 23, 2018 10:42:21 GMT
Well, most MCU fans are kids who think that MCU invented the concept of a "shared universe" so they don't know that Shazam! was the original Captain Marvel.
Oh yeah, like the Batman/Green Hornet/Addams Family/Hogan's Heroes shared universe for instanceAnd as for not knowing about knowing about Shazam's origin...you know fuck all yourself, despite being told a nuimber of times...see below Actually no, and this has been explained to you before. (Maybe the problem is that being a thief yourself, you don't actually understand the concept of theft!) DC managed to get Fawcett Comics to cease publication, close down and put its comic staff out of work. DC didn't however obtain any of the copyright or own the characters Marvel legally obtained the name Captain Marvel in the mid 60s DC obtained the Captain Marvel characters in the early 70s, but couldn't use the Captain Marvel name Nothing was stolen by Marvel, and certainly not from DC. Shazam - like Blackhawk or V for Vendetta - are DC buy ins. Not their creation. Stop trying to make Marvel the bad guys at every turn. DC managed to cease the existence of a character, bankrupt a company and put many writers and artists out of work. Only for them to buy that character many years later, but AFTER Marvel had bought the copyright for the name. Wasn't there a radio serial where they said that Green Hornet's ancestor was The Lone Ranger.
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Post by sostie on Jul 23, 2018 10:46:18 GMT
Oh yeah, like the Batman/Green Hornet/Addams Family/Hogan's Heroes shared universe for instanceAnd as for not knowing about knowing about Shazam's origin...you know fuck all yourself, despite being told a nuimber of times...see below Actually no, and this has been explained to you before. (Maybe the problem is that being a thief yourself, you don't actually understand the concept of theft!) DC managed to get Fawcett Comics to cease publication, close down and put its comic staff out of work. DC didn't however obtain any of the copyright or own the characters Marvel legally obtained the name Captain Marvel in the mid 60s DC obtained the Captain Marvel characters in the early 70s, but couldn't use the Captain Marvel name Nothing was stolen by Marvel, and certainly not from DC. Shazam - like Blackhawk or V for Vendetta - are DC buy ins. Not their creation. Stop trying to make Marvel the bad guys at every turn. DC managed to cease the existence of a character, bankrupt a company and put many writers and artists out of work. Only for them to buy that character many years later, but AFTER Marvel had bought the copyright for the name. Wasn't there a radio serial where they said that Green Hornet's ancestor was The Lone Ranger. I honestly don't know. I do know both became flawed but entertaining movies that I watched in the last week
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 23, 2018 10:54:21 GMT
Wasn't there a radio serial where they said that Green Hornet's ancestor was The Lone Ranger. I honestly don't know. I do know both became flawed but entertaining movies that I watched in the last week I've seen both in last few months again. I didn't really remember Lone Ranger even though I saw it in theater. Got to say I liked it better second time. Green Hornet was ok for what it was.
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Post by James Bond on Jul 23, 2018 15:02:03 GMT
Oh yeah, like the Batman/Green Hornet/Addams Family/Hogan's Heroes shared universe for instanceAnd as for not knowing about knowing about Shazam's origin...you know fuck all yourself, despite being told a nuimber of times...see below Actually no, and this has been explained to you before. (Maybe the problem is that being a thief yourself, you don't actually understand the concept of theft!) DC managed to get Fawcett Comics to cease publication, close down and put its comic staff out of work. DC didn't however obtain any of the copyright or own the characters Marvel legally obtained the name Captain Marvel in the mid 60s DC obtained the Captain Marvel characters in the early 70s, but couldn't use the Captain Marvel name Nothing was stolen by Marvel, and certainly not from DC. Shazam - like Blackhawk or V for Vendetta - are DC buy ins. Not their creation. Stop trying to make Marvel the bad guys at every turn. DC managed to cease the existence of a character, bankrupt a company and put many writers and artists out of work. Only for them to buy that character many years later, but AFTER Marvel had bought the copyright for the name. Wasn't there a radio serial where they said that Green Hornet's ancestor was The Lone Ranger. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_Ranger#The_Green_Hornet
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 23, 2018 16:36:35 GMT
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Post by James Bond on Jul 23, 2018 19:29:20 GMT
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 23, 2018 20:00:32 GMT
Stop trying to make Marvel the bad guys at every turn. I'm not making anyone to be the bad guys. I'm just stating the facts. The original Captain Marvel character is the character who is now known as Shazam in DC Comics. Marvel took the character name long after the original Shazam character used that name. It would be like if McDonald's stopped making Quarter Pounders any more and then after a few years Burger King makes a new burger and calls it a Quarter Pounder.
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Post by sostie on Jul 23, 2018 21:01:31 GMT
Stop trying to make Marvel the bad guys at every turn. I'm not making anyone to be the bad guys. I'm just stating the facts. The original Captain Marvel character is the character who is now known as Shazam in DC Comics. Marvel took the character name long after the original Shazam character used that name. It would be like if McDonald's stopped making Quarter Pounders any more and then after a few years Burger King makes a new burger and calls it a Quarter Pounder. Marvel legally obtained the name...they didn't steal it as you stated. DC later legally obtained the character....does that mean they stole it?
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Post by James Bond on Jul 23, 2018 21:58:23 GMT
I'm not making anyone to be the bad guys. I'm just stating the facts. The original Captain Marvel character is the character who is now known as Shazam in DC Comics. Marvel took the character name long after the original Shazam character used that name. It would be like if McDonald's stopped making Quarter Pounders any more and then after a few years Burger King makes a new burger and calls it a Quarter Pounder. Marvel legally obtained the name...they didn't steal it as you stated. DC later legally obtained the character....does that mean they stole it? Maybe he means that, in his mind, Marvel's acquisition of the name was immoral.
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Post by sostie on Jul 23, 2018 22:01:34 GMT
Marvel legally obtained the name...they didn't steal it as you stated. DC later legally obtained the character....does that mean they stole it? Maybe he means that, in his mind, Marvel's acquisition of the name was immoral. Whereas DC actions costing a load of people their jobs wasn't.
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Post by James Bond on Jul 23, 2018 22:04:33 GMT
Maybe he means that, in his mind, Marvel's acquisition of the name was immoral. Whereas DC actions costing a load of people their jobs wasn't. I guess...
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