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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 12:00:13 GMT
These are wrestlers WCW could have put over and worked on, but instead let go to WWF in favor of keeping guys like Hogan, Flair, and Macho Man on top...
Stone Cold Steve Austin
HHH
Rikishi
AJ Styles
Rob Van Dam
Imagine if they all stayed and guys like Brett Hart, Hogan, and Macho Man did what they were supposed to do and help young guys get over so they can have their time?
WWF would have died if HHH and Stone Cold never jumped to WWF. Hell, Stone Cold only went from ECW to WWF because of a favor someone made to Vince.
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Post by Nike316 on Jul 28, 2018 17:24:17 GMT
WCW would still be alive no doubt, if the careers of wrestlers like Stone Cold and Triple H thrived there the way they did in WWE. The wrestling fans would've also already seen some of the biggest dream matches, which never got to happen like Stone Cold vs Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold vs Goldberg, Stone Cold vs Crow Sting, Stone Cold vs DDP, Triple H vs DDP, Triple H vs Macho Man, etc.
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Post by cwsims on Jul 28, 2018 17:31:00 GMT
don't forget Undertaker he was reportedly thinking about jumping to WCW in the late 90s Nash said himself if Taker had jumped to WCW then WWF/WWE would've been in trouble as Taker was one of the biggest stars in the WWF/WWE at the time
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 17:34:54 GMT
there's some awesome shoots out there on the Austin/Bischoff drama - austin admits he was unprofessional like he was a lot of times in this career (i.e. taking his ball and going home in 2002 with the nWo angle) - i.e. he wouldn't even pick up the phone when Bischoff was calling.
bisch has been on austin's podcast - correct me if im wrong and they even worked an angle when bisch came to WWE.
two alphas who butted heads
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 18:00:45 GMT
don't forget Undertaker he was reportedly thinking about jumping to WCW in the late 90s Nash said himself if Taker had jumped to WCW then WWF/WWE would've been in trouble as Taker was one of the biggest stars in the WWF/WWE at the time If HHH and Stone Cold never went to the WWF, then WWF would have crumbled between 1995 - 1998 without the attitude era. Undertaker would have jumped. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 18:32:10 GMT
don't forget Undertaker he was reportedly thinking about jumping to WCW in the late 90s Nash said himself if Taker had jumped to WCW then WWF/WWE would've been in trouble as Taker was one of the biggest stars in the WWF/WWE at the time If HHH and Stone Cold never went to the WWF, then WWF would have crumbled between 1995 - 1998 without the attitude era. Undertaker would have jumped. meh - 'the attitude era' made use of a change in personality - not so much utilizing talent. it was t&a in your face like we've never seen before to compete with the nWo/wcw - the originators of the attitude era with hall & nash |
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Post by MooseNugget on Jul 29, 2018 4:09:12 GMT
These are wrestlers WCW could have put over and worked on, but instead let go to WWF in favor of keeping guys like Hogan, Flair, and Macho Man on top... Stone Cold Steve Austin HHH Rikishi AJ Styles Rob Van Dam Imagine if they all stayed and guys like Brett Hart, Hogan, and Macho Man did what they were supposed to do and help young guys get over so they can have their time? WWF would have died if HHH and Stone Cold never jumped to WWF. Hell, Stone Cold only went from ECW to WWF because of a favor someone made to Vince. Styles was nobody when he was in WCW and wasn't going to be. Heck he wasn't a top guy until he went to TNA. Van Dam wasn't going to be a top guy while he was in WCW either. He didn't get there in ECW until he was in the promotion for several years. And it's not like WWE used him to the best of their ability either. Listening to The Bryan and Vinny show it honestly doesn't seem like WWE had a better product than WCW. In fact it seems more of a race to the bottom than one to the top. Vince had to make money on his product while WCW did not and that turned into a huge problem once it wasn't up to Ted Turner wither or not WCW lived. |
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Post by MooseNugget on Jul 29, 2018 4:11:18 GMT
WCW would still be alive no doubt, if the careers of wrestlers like Stone Cold and Triple H thrived there the way they did in WWE. The wrestling fans would've also already seen some of the biggest dream matches, which never got to happen like Stone Cold vs Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold vs Goldberg, Stone Cold vs Crow Sting, Stone Cold vs DDP, Triple H vs DDP, Triple H vs Macho Man, etc. The problem was WCW was spending so much money that it could never last. If you had someone like say Jerry Jarrett in charge who is a wrestling promoter who understands you can't always be hot than maybe things would have been different. |
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Post by MooseNugget on Jul 29, 2018 4:12:18 GMT
don't forget Undertaker he was reportedly thinking about jumping to WCW in the late 90s Nash said himself if Taker had jumped to WCW then WWF/WWE would've been in trouble as Taker was one of the biggest stars in the WWF/WWE at the time If HHH and Stone Cold never went to the WWF, then WWF would have crumbled between 1995 - 1998 without the attitude era. Undertaker would have jumped. So you think having The Rock would have meant nothing for WWE? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 6:25:19 GMT
Imagine if they all stayed and guys like Brett Hart, Hogan, and Macho Man did what they were supposed to do and help young guys get over so they can have their time? Hard thing to imagine as Hogan has never really been in the business much to "put people over". He thinks about himself first himself second and himself third. So to try and imagine what could have been is hard. As you also got to figure in how any of these people would have been booked (likely poorly) and how much people's guaranteed contracts would of lose the company money in the long run. I personally don't think if WCW had kept any of those people the company would still be alive because in my mind those people wouldn't have ever gotten to be the person that got them over. RVD is a maybe because he's just really himself. Though, he'd of been shelved in WCW as a mid card guy and never likely given a main event spot light. WCW benefited too much on over paying guys that WWF/E got over and just didn't develop the talent they had in house when WWF/E was forced to adapt and evolve and that crushed WCW. WWF/E ended up stealing the talents from WCW that they SHOULD have been booking strongly. My biggest one is Chris Jericho. That dude was super over in WCW and instead of being pushed in even a match against Goldberg that he was trying to get he just got ignored. In the end WCW tried to put over the other guys like Booker T and even Jeff Jarrett but by then it was honestly too late. They did that because they were forced too and it wasn't organic. In the end, Vince McMahon was just the much smarter business person. Throwing money around wasn't going to last forever for WCW. I do wish that something like WCW did exist just so Vince wouldn't be allowed to force Roman Reigns on us. I'm hoping that NJPW can do that but I doubt it. |
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Post by MooseNugget on Jul 29, 2018 6:43:29 GMT
Imagine if they all stayed and guys like Brett Hart, Hogan, and Macho Man did what they were supposed to do and help young guys get over so they can have their time? I do wish that something like WCW did exist just so Vince wouldn't be allowed to force Roman Reigns on us. I'm hoping that NJPW can do that but I doubt it. I wouldn't matter because WWE stock is at a record amount because old media highly values it. Ratings keep getting lower and lower but it's still very high for networks like USA and FS1. Heck Impact at 300,000 people watching is still the highest rated show on POP TV. In the '90s WWE needed to change because they actually lost money for a change. Vince couldn't afford that. Now WWE loses over 30 million dollars a year running NXT shows but it doesn't matter. And it's not like WWE doesn't try to screw over smaller promotions like ROH. I just brought up NXT and there's the fact WWE tried to block ROH from running a show at MSG next year. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 30, 2018 19:16:13 GMT
These are wrestlers WCW could have put over and worked on, but instead let go to WWF in favor of keeping guys like Hogan, Flair, and Macho Man on top... Imagine if they all stayed and guys like Brett Hart, Hogan, and Macho Man did what they were supposed to do and help young guys get over so they can have their time? I don't think you can de-couple what the likes of Hogan did to undercut WCW from WCW itself. If the vets had been spending time pushing the younger unknowns, WCW as we know it would've been entirely different. Hell, not even Bret who was the hottest name on the planet was given remotely anything good to do when they got him. Hogan giving rubs for guys does not exist. |
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Post by cwsims on Aug 16, 2018 14:58:31 GMT
Lets do another What If? it was around summer of 2002 when Austin walked out of WWE correct? and for the majority of 2002 kept a low profile. now I believe 2002 was also when TNA was just getting off the ground so lets say Austin never resolved his differences with Vince and WWE and never returned to the Co. in early 2003 . What If two-three years after walking out on WWE What If Austin suddenly re-appears in a wrestling ring. but only in the new up and coming TNA ? would the balance of power had shifted slightly towards TNA?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 18:35:10 GMT
Lets do another What If? it was around summer of 2002 when Austin walked out of WWE correct? and for the majority of 2002 kept a low profile. now I believe 2002 was also when TNA was just getting off the ground so lets say Austin never resolved his differences with Vince and WWE and never returned to the Co. in early 2003 . What If two-three years after walking out on WWE What If Austin suddenly re-appears in a wrestling ring. but only in the new up and coming TNA ? would the balance of power had shifted slightly towards TNA? I believe if Austin goes to TNA and does his thing, it definitely impacts the WWE.
However, I don't know how much. It's almost parallel to Hogan going to the WCW in 1994. He was gone from WWF and reappeared in WCW.
I think at least 2 more mega WWF/WWE superstars would have had to jump with him.
But it definitely changes things.
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